Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,(2070 review is now live!) information thread. Reviews and prices

[Paratus]

In a way they did. Both AMD with Vega and NV with Turing added a lot of extra transistors and die space to features that are tangential to gaming performance.

That’s why Vega is a great compute card and Turing has those RTX features. It was obvious before the cards were benched that performance was going to be closer to the 10XX series than not.

It also makes sense that NV had to release the 2080Ti now as the 2080 is no faster than AIB 1080Tis but at a higher price point.

We need some competition again.

 

[n0x1ous]

SLI bridges are not ready yet.

Mine shipped yesterday and is arriving tomorrow so would think they have them for reviewers.

 

[Elfear]

Not exactly a fair comparison but with the launch of any new GPU you have to consider how much you can get the old generation for on the used market. I picked up a used 1080Ti a few weeks ago when prices for Turing were announced. Excellent condition for $430, almost half the cost of a 2080 for the same performance.

 

[crisium]

Ars actually tried to do some DLSS comparisons in Infiltrator. They look about the same as TAA in infiltrator. Again TAA is tends to be soft anyway, so I am betting there was no DLSS 2X to test.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-a-tale-of-two-very-expensive-graphics-cards/

Interesting. Going through them, I prefer the TAA image the majority of the time. Nvidia's exaggerations aside, that's fine because Ars says they get 31%+ more performance from the DLSS result. This will still be a great option when you cannot do native res + TAA.

edit: I'd say of the 5 comparisons, 1 favoured DLSS, 2 favoured TAA, and 2 were a draw imo. Anytime you want more frames this will be a pretty good method.

 

[AtenRa]

Except their product is the fastest. If AMD could pull that off, we wouldn't be here (or maybe we would be, they both want our money.)

An example of the difference of NV's dev-rel to AMD's is we're already seeing titles with the new features in the works. I can only count two games (3?) that used Rapid Math, and I still don't fully understand what the cache feature was for in regards to gaming.

Now that I see the VEGA reviews again, RTX is even worse.

According to Techpowerup

Vega 56 with MSRP of $399 was 15%+ faster than R9 Fury X with MSRP of $499
And Vega 64 with MSRP of %499 was 26-27% faster than R9 Fury X with the same MSRP.

So Vega 64 was 26-27% faster at the same price point against the card it replaced but, RTX2080 is not even faster than the GTX1080Ti at a +$100 higher price.

And both had new features that were completely missing from Launch day.

Clearly Turing is the worse NVIDIA product family launch after Fermi.

 

[AtenRa]

Not exactly a fair comparison but with the launch of any new GPU you have to consider how much you can get the old generation for on the used market. I picked up a used 1080Ti a few weeks ago when prices for Turing were announced. Excellent condition for $430, almost half the cost of a 2080 for the same performance.

Hell there are a lot of people selling their GTX1080Ti for $400-500 aiming for the RTX2080, now im sure they will pay an extra $300-400 to get the same performance

 

[Markfw]

And most of the reviews are in..... except Anandtech

 

[realibrad]

And most of the reviews are in..... except Anandtech

To be fair, you have to consider...

 

[Jaydip]

I honestly was expecting more from 2080Ti, it is not a bad card but won't buy it at this price.

 

[PeterScott]

Interesting. Going through them, I prefer the TAA image the majority of the time. Nvidia's exaggerations aside, that's fine because Ars says they get 31%+ more performance from the DLSS result. This will still be a great option when you cannot do native res + TAA.

edit: I'd say of the 5 comparisons, 1 favoured DLSS, 2 favoured TAA, and 2 were a draw imo. Anytime you want more frames this will be a pretty good method.

I tend that there was a slight edge in favor of TAA, but positioning changes slight can affect the bigger differences. The boot for example looks much better on TAA, but the shift in movement might have created that.

The problem is that TAA itself tends to be soft to start with, so that can help hide the scaling softness.

So I guess DLSS can work if you were happy with TAA results to start with...

 

[Thunder 57]

And most of the reviews are in..... except Anandtech

To be fair, Anandtech usually has the most informative, in depth reviews. Of course, they could just publish benchmarks and a conclusion and go back and go into what makes it tick later on. They have actually done that a few times,

 

[LTC8K6]

Mine shipped yesterday and is arriving tomorrow so would think they have them for reviewers.

Guru 3d:

NVIDIA did not have the new NVLINK connector available, so we've not been able to test it.

 

[ub4ty]

Nvidia has just launched a turd through and through. The 2080 is an absolute joke on performance and price and the 2080ti is a horror show at $1200. A joke at 4k and a steaming turd at 1440p. In compute performance, a vega trades significant blows with them and even bests them in some cases.

This is on par or worse than AMD's vega launch.
I have no clue what to say to people still trying to pronounce their steadfastness with a pre-order other than I told you such sentiment was 'take my money' consumerism.

The best review out there :

Utter trash and deceitful marketing that attempted to hide the lack luster performance of these cards...
If it smells fishy it most likely is.Every single one of the critical comments in this thread have been vindicated :
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...read-reviews-and-prices-september-14.2552804/

No RTX games on launch.
Just buy it bro !!!!
2080 = 1080ti (A year card) + $200
No Cuda 10.

Gamer Nexus properly compared Nvidia's non-exhausting 2 fan open air FE (2080) to AIB non-exhausting 2 fan open air (1080ti).In some cases the 2 year old cheaper 1080ti even outperforms a 2080... THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF NGREEDIA.
And the 2080 runs hotter...

Meanwhile, fine wine Vega 64 has similar performance and price of a 1080.

When I die, I will be able to say, I bought great performance/value products immediately on launch. Enjoyed them and exploited the performance for years until something far better came out and skipped ridiculous products like this.

Enjoy your pre-orders and "4k gaming".
2019/2020/2021.
PCIE 4.0/HBM Memory/7nm/High speed interconnect
For equal to or less than current pascal cards is when mindful intelligent consumers will make their next purchase. Such people are likely already on Pascal which remains a great release.

Geforce 20 is a dumpster fire.
Never pre-order a product that has no reviews. What a joke Nvidia has made of this and its customers.
Literally mimicking Intel in the late stage 4 core lockin whereby they kept coming out with gimmick features to milk their customers while performance went nowhere. Nvidia is dead to me for some time.

 

[LTC8K6]

I think the cards are great now, and will improve a lot as drivers improve, Windows gets updates for Turing, DLSS gets going, and game developers get onboard.

They just cost too much, though.

 

[realibrad]

Nvidia has just launched a turd through and through. The 2080 is an absolute joke on performance and price and the 2080ti is a horror show at $1200. A joke at 4k and a steaming turd at 1440p. In compute performance, a vega trades significant blows with them and even bests them in some cases.

This is on par or worse than AMD's vega launch.
I have no clue what to say to people still trying to pronounce their steadfastness with a pre-order other than I told you such sentiment was 'take my money' consumerism.

The best review out there :

Utter trash and deceitful marketing like that attempted to hide the lack luster performance of these cards...
If it smells fishy it most likely is.
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...read-reviews-and-prices-september-14.2552804/

Every single one of the critical comments in this thread have been vindicated.
No RTX games on launch.
Just buy it bro !!!!
2080 = 1080ti (A year card) + $200
Gamer Nexus properly compared Nvidia's non-exhausting 2 fan open air FE (2080) to AIB non-exhausting 2 fan open air (1080ti).In some cases the 2 year old cheaper 1080ti even outperforms a 2080... THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF NGREEDIA.
And the 2080 runs hotter...

Meanwhile, fine wine Vega 64 has similar performance and price of a 1080.

When I die, I will be able to say, I bought great performance/value products immediately on launch. Enjoyed them and exploited the performance for years until something far better came out and skipped ridiculous products like this.

Enjoy your pre-orders and 4k gaming.
2019/2020/2021.
PCIE 4.0/HBM Memory/7nm/High speed interconnect
For equal to or less than current pascal cards.

Geforce 20 is a dumpster fire.
Meanwhile, no CUDA 10 released.
Never pre-order a product that has no reviews. What a joke Nvidia has made of this.

So you don't like the cards?

 

[Janooo]

Some here.
https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-performance-and-overclocking?page=2

Vega is a compute beast.
Turing looks like a massive fail considering the price, power draw and especially die size compared to last generation.

Thanks.

 

[mohit9206]

No kidding. When I saw this thread had posts (ie meaning reviews are out) I hit up anandtech, and nothing. Not even a place holder. Such a shame. RIP Anandtech of old. I grew up on AT, now I'm checking Gamernexus for "in depth" coverage. Feels weird.

Don't forget we still haven't got the promised in depth GTX 960 review.

 

[arandomguy]

Interesting. Going through them, I prefer the TAA image the majority of the time. Nvidia's exaggerations aside, that's fine because Ars says they get 31%+ more performance from the DLSS result. This will still be a great option when you cannot do native res + TAA.

edit: I'd say of the 5 comparisons, 1 favoured DLSS, 2 favoured TAA, and 2 were a draw imo. Anytime you want more frames this will be a pretty good method.

Something to bear in mind, and it is touched upon in the article, is that TAA's relative weakness towards heavy motion is something DLSS supposedly addresses. So both the choice of what to screen capture as well as the inherent nature of a screen cap being static may not show the full picture.

 

[ub4ty]

So you don't like the cards?

Absolute not. They're turds just like all the sensible posters in : http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...hread-reviews-and-prices-september-14.2552804 correctly surmised and its exactly why the launch was so shady and included no real world performance data. I honestly feel that much better about my purchase of Pascal on launch and riding it for another 1-2 years until 7nm/PCIE 4.0/HBM/high speed interconnect GPUs are launched at a lower price with revised ray tracing hardware. If the price is still absurd, I'l await 3 years until it normalizes. The problem with such an ignorant cash grab as this while simultaneously trying to sell people on new features is that it has longer ranging effects. Now, everyone will associate this nasty taste in their mouth with Real-time ray tracing. They just took a dump on the big new feature that was supposed to keep people hooked on upgrading. This is what serves as a company's undoing in tech.

Whoever buys this is literally buying into a high priced prototype that will soon be obsoleted and they deserve what they get for doing such a thing in the dark (championing pre-order w/o any performance reviews). You reward bad behavior and you get bad products. Poetic justice.

Absolutely no one has a single thing to be jealous about regarding people who will continue to buy these cards. I Honestly have a different feeling and it feels good

 

[crisium]

To be fair, you have to consider...

...that they need to finish reviewing the GTX 960 first.

 

[n0x1ous]

Ryan Smith tweeted at NDA lift time this morning that they were going to have it up in a bit . I asked him for an ETA and he thought about 11am ET........

 

[crisium]

We love you Ryan, but you need to learn to under promise and over deliver.

 

[realibrad]

...that they need to finish reviewing the GTX 960 first.

Right after we get the full 980 review, finished S7 review, and AMD 300's reviews.

 

[Markfw]

Ryan Smith tweeted at NDA lift time this morning that they were going to have it up in a bit . I asked him for an ETA and he thought about 11am ET........

Well, that was 3 1/2 hours ago.....And still waiting

 

[n0x1ous]

Well, that was 3 1/2 hours ago.....And still waiting

indeed...hence my dot dot dot trail off..........