Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,(2070 review is now live!) information thread. Reviews and prices

[BFG10K]

If they'd called the cards 2070 and 2080 the performance ranking would look much better, but of course the pricing would look even worse. In a sense nVidia's dug themselves a hole with these cards. Too slow and too expensive.

The DLSS from what I can see is a resolution jump for free.

No it isn't. That's like saying an upscaled DVD is a Bluray for free.

No matter what marketing garbage nVidia calls it ("AI", "deep learning", etc), it's nothing more than glorified upscaling.

Consoles have upscaled for years. You can write per-game shaders to do the same thing.

 

[sze5003]

Why don't you like your current monitor? Too small? Resolution no longer looks good to you? I'd probably figure out the widescreen vs the 4k myself as I'm the one that would have to live with it in the end. Depending on what games you play the extra FOV might be of benefit in the end and might wind up making the upgrade feel more worth it too you. Do you have anyplace close to you to see the monitors in question or at least similar examples?

The 2080Ti pre-order demon is best fought alone.

The colors could be better than on my Dell s2716dg that I have now. Better resolution is also what I'm going for so this will make things nicer.

I play a lot of the triple A titles, most of the time.

My ideal monitor for my desk would be 32 4k but since none of them exist with gsync over 60hz, that's why I thought about ultra wide.

Monitor is something I don't want to upgrade every year or every other year so it's tricky. That's something I feel could be bought once and then you stick with it.


I have Best buy and microcenter near me. Obviously I feel like 2080ti at 1440p may be overkill which is why I'm looking for a better use case.

 

[dlerious]

The context was obviously running 2080 Ti with the least CPU bottleneck.

If you are running random other crap 99% of the time then you should look into having multiple computers due to trying to manage the time-share anyways or at the very least dual boot.

Buying a 2080 Ti for Linux Gaming is just stupid when you can use the far superior Windows 10.

Linux reality distortion bubble members are of course never going to be convinced of that, but someone has to say it.

You should get out a little more. The 2080 Ti can be used for more than gaming.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-CUDA-10-Released
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-410.57-Beta-Released

 

[Ajay]

Consumer Turing doesn't support DP.

Probably due to the separate integer and fp paths on Turing.

Well, that explains a lot (no DP). Nvidia's driver must be doing a great job decoding GB code into two, parallel instructions!

 

[arandomguy]

The colors could be better than on my Dell s2716dg that I have now. Better resolution is also what I'm going for so this will make things nicer.

I play a lot of the triple A titles, most of the time.

My ideal monitor for my desk would be 32 4k but since none of them exist with gsync over 60hz, that's why I thought about ultra wide.

Monitor is something I don't want to upgrade every year or every other year so it's tricky. That's something I feel could be bought once and then you stick with it.


I have Best buy and microcenter near me. Obviously I feel like 2080ti at 1440p may be overkill which is why I'm looking for a better use case.

AUO is working on 32 inch 4k high refresh panels for early 2019. So monitors possibly around mid 2019.

 

[Ajay]

Not that I have any intention of buying one of these cards, but I can already see the 3xxx series at 7nm is going to be pretty well unbeatable. Smaller die, cheaper cards, second gen ray tracing and AI cores. By then the 2xxx series will have paved the way and ray tracing

I agree that 7nm (in 2 years?) will likely be the bomb with all around better performance, especially in RT. I doubt, however, that NV will backtrack on pricing. If the 20xx series does well at current pricing, why would NV reduce prices?

 

[PeterScott]

If they'd called the cards 2070 and 2080 the performance ranking would look much better, but of course the pricing would look even worse. In a sense nVidia's dug themselves a hole with these cards. Too slow and too expensive.


No it isn't. That's like saying an upscaled DVD is a Bluray for free.

No matter what marketing garbage nVidia calls it ("AI", "deep learning", etc), it's nothing more than glorified upscaling.

Consoles have upscaled for years. You can write per-game shaders to do the same thing.

It's closer to advanced checkerboard rendering than glorified upscaling. Read what Decima did for Horizon Zero Dawn:
https://www.guerrilla-games.com/read/decima-engine-advances-in-lighting-and-aa0

IMO AMD should be trying to do some kind of advanced checkerboard rendering mode to compete with DLSS, without needing and DL network, nor specific training for each game.

 

[arandomguy]

I agree that 7nm (in 2 years?) will likely be the bomb with all around better performance, especially in RT. I doubt, however, that NV will backtrack on pricing. If the 20xx series does well at current pricing, why would NV reduce prices?

An interesting thing with if we look at the next gen at a 2 year forecast is the potential impact of a new console generation.

I know people tend to bring up AMD or even Intel now but the greatest competitor is the post release cycle for next gen consoles.

 

[SirDinadan]

I wanted to buy the new RTX GPUs for benchmarking purposes, but the availability is a joke here (Central Europe). This trend is a huge scam - why they can't build-up a big enough inventory, lift the embargo and release the GPUs a week or so later? Everything is about Day 1 reviews, and I was just notified about the new timeline - of course the shops stated the original date (today), but now it seems that I will be at least 1 week late with the RTX 2080, 2 weeks for the Ti.
Sorry for my rant but I shell out huge money and this practice just makes me mad.

 

[moonbogg]

Would going to a 3440x1440p gsync be any difference for me with a 2080ti compared to my 27 inch 1440p gsync? Or should I just get a 4k screen? Or cancel the 2080ti lol.

I went from a 27" 1440p 144hz Gysnc monitor to a 3440x1440 100hz Gysnc monitor and still feel that it was the single most impactful upgrade I've ever experienced in the PC hobby. There are some nice ones out now, but there is an HDR version coming out later this year I think. It should have 200hz, 3440x1440, Gsync, HDR 1000 cert, VA panel, and probably clear $2000 easier than an Olympic pole vaulter on steroids+crank+mountain dew. So if you got money to burn and don't mind spending over twice the price for 200hz and HDR, then you can wait a while and get that sucker.

 

[mv2devnull]

The context was obviously running 2080 Ti with the least CPU bottleneck.

If you are running random other crap 99% of the time then you should look into having multiple computers due to trying to manage the time-share anyways or at the very least dual boot.

Buying a 2080 Ti for Linux Gaming is just stupid when you can use the far superior Windows 10.

Linux reality distortion bubble members are of course never going to be convinced of that, but someone has to say it.

I'm not sure in which context you are in.

For one, a review / initial benchmark of 2080Ti is a review of 2080Ti, just like the other reviews. This one simply happened to use Linux platform. It is not the only platform, where users could go: "Oh no, new drivers, who will update the reviews?".

You are right though. Buying anything for Gaming is "just stupid", isn't it? If a reviewer uses games as graphics benchmark, that obviously does represent everyone's typical workload, but should get you on ballpark of what you will get if you now purchase X rather than Y.

I don't care whose bubbles are superior. I probably should not mention that there is a Macbook in front of my eyes. That is not relevant. "Information about reviews" was the topic, wasn't it?

 

[sze5003]

I went from a 27" 1440p 144hz Gysnc monitor to a 3440x1440 100hz Gysnc monitor and still feel that it was the single most impactful upgrade I've ever experienced in the PC hobby. There are some nice ones out now, but there is an HDR version coming out later this year I think. It should have 200hz, 3440x1440, Gsync, HDR 1000 cert, VA panel, and probably clear $2000 easier than an Olympic pole vaulter on steroids+crank+mountain dew. So if you got money to burn and don't mind spending over twice the price for 200hz and HDR, then you can wait a while and get that sucker.

I think I may want to go with the gsync option but don't need 200hz or HDR. 100 or 120 with gsync will do. Which one did you get?

I was looking at the Alienware 34 inch model. Don't want anything too big on my desk. I do feel like this will look nice with the extra performance form the 2080ti.

 

[sxr7171]

I think I may want to go with the gsync option but don't need 200hz or HDR. 100 or 120 with gsync will do. Which one did you get?

I was looking at the Alienware 34 inch model. Don't want anything too big on my desk. I do feel like this will look nice with the extra performance form the 2080ti.

I was looking at that monitor too. But I have a HDR 1000 nits TV currently. I can safely say that if you want to future proof and not have regrets later it is better for wait for the widescreen HDR GSync capable monitors with dp 1.4. They were announced last December and are slated to go on sale this “Christmas” season.

As far as displays are concerned right now everything is in a state of flux. TVs need HDMI 2.1 and monitors need dp 1.4. At the least in order to at a minimum accept the new formats. And even then the monitor would be better if it could actually correctly display the HDR content.

I went from a TV (mu6300) that “supported” HDR to one (r617) that can actually display it correctly. Wow what a difference. Don’t compromise. Wait until they come out. Then go to Best Buy/Microcenter/Fry’s and actually see them before you decide. There is no hurry.

 

[n0x1ous]

PG27UQ will put that 2080ti to good use right now!

 

[sxr7171]

PG27UQ will put that 2080ti to good use right now!

For sure. Check microcenter if you wish to buy. The price in cart is advantageous to day the least. Still too much $$$ imho. I’d rather wait for the big format gaming displays or a ultra wide with those features. Heck I’d rather forgo gsync and get a 55” oled at those prices if I needed something right this minute.

 

[n0x1ous]

For sure. Check microcenter if you wish to buy. The price in cart is advantageous to day the least. Still too much $$$ imho. I’d rather wait for the big format gaming displays or a ultra wide with those features. Heck I’d rather forgo gsync and get a 55” oled at those prices if I needed something right this minute.

already have one. I also have a 65b7 OLED and its nice and can be run in 1080p 120hz, but the input lag isn't as good as a real monitor

 

[Dribble]

If they'd called the cards 2070 and 2080 the performance ranking would look much better, but of course the pricing would look even worse. In a sense nVidia's dug themselves a hole with these cards. Too slow and too expensive.


No it isn't. That's like saying an upscaled DVD is a Bluray for free.

No matter what marketing garbage nVidia calls it ("AI", "deep learning", etc), it's nothing more than glorified upscaling.

Consoles have upscaled for years. You can write per-game shaders to do the same thing.

Digital foundaries do a good discussion on this:
https://youtu.be/MMbgvXde-YA

Basically DLSS upsampling mode gives image quality compatible or better then the non upsampled image with 4xTAA in the current examples. They also said the 2080 with DLSS on outperforms a 2080Ti with it off (i.e. 2080 4k with DLSS is faster then a 2080Ti 4k with TAA).

Yes you can write per-game upscaling. What we have here is essentially an upscaler written by a deep learning super computer and it turns out it's pretty good at it. As to why that is possible, well it's because it's upscaling programs essentially contain information about what the image should look like when upscaled which they use to upscale well. The more information you can squeeze into that program the better the result you will get. The super computer has done an amazing job of compressing a lot of info about how 4k images are meant to look in a game into a program several mb's in size. Hence run that on the appropriate hardware (some tensor cores) and you get amazing upscaling.

 

[Malogeek]

Given the price of the 2070 and the performance likely between 1080 and 1080ti, I've decided I'm going to buy a cheap used 1080 to upgrade my 970 and get me through another year or two. I game at 2560x1080 so I don't think I need a 1080ti.

I don't think 2070 and below will be much use with raytracing in games and I'm not that interested in DLSS that I'll invest 800+ in a GPU for it.

 

[sxr7171]

already have one. I also have a 65b7 OLED and its nice and can be run in 1080p 120hz, but the input lag isn't as good as a real monitor

It’s nice to have both options. I think each has its place depending on the game you are playing. For something like far cry 5 I’d take the OLED. For online competitive games I’d take the monitor. I don’t know if you’d agree.

 

[Karnak]

DLSS works through glass, TAA can't

Yeah, works great.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antony...ate-upgrades-or-fantastic-flops/#381e476059fe

 

[PeterScott]

Digital foundaries do a good discussion on this:
https://youtu.be/MMbgvXde-YA

Basically DLSS upsampling mode gives image quality compatible or better then the non upsampled image with 4xTAA in the current examples. They also said the 2080 with DLSS on outperforms a 2080Ti with it off (i.e. 2080 4k with DLSS is faster then a 2080Ti 4k with TAA).

Yes you can write per-game upscaling. What we have here is essentially an upscaler written by a deep learning super computer and it turns out it's pretty good at it. As to why that is possible, well it's because it's upscaling programs essentially contain information about what the image should look like when upscaled which they use to upscale well. The more information you can squeeze into that program the better the result you will get. The super computer has done an amazing job of compressing a lot of info about how 4k images are meant to look in a game into a program several mb's in size. Hence run that on the appropriate hardware (some tensor cores) and you get amazing upscaling.

Here is the story that goes with the Video:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-dlss-turing-tech-analysis

It has a couple of nice comparisons tools, that seem better scene matched that some screen shots.

After looking at MANY of these comparisons, it is clear that the is some give and take between DLSS and TAA in terms of image quality. When pouring over still images you can find some areas where each look better than the other. But overall, in motion at 4K it would be very difficult to see any difference.

One of the guys in video mentions doing comparison standing very close to a 65" 4K TV, and essentially finding it impossible to see a difference in motion. Standing close to a 65" 4K TV, is harsher test than playing on a 4K desk monitor.

The one misgiving I have so far, is this is this just canned demos, where you get some obvious benefits for training a network.

 

[ZeroRift]

I don't really understand the hate towards DLSS. It's clearly not ideal, but even SSAA introduces "softened" image artifacts.

If you personally don't like the visual artifacts of DLSS, then why not simply ignore the feature? NVIDIA hasn't taken any existing AA method away from consumers, nor are they using it to be anti-competitive (yet?).

IMO, having more choices than you used to is always a good thing.

 

[happy medium]

Digital foundaries do a good discussion on this:
https://youtu.be/MMbgvXde-YA

Basically DLSS upsampling mode gives image quality compatible or better then the non upsampled image with 4xTAA in the current examples. They also said the 2080 with DLSS on outperforms a 2080Ti with it off (i.e. 2080 4k with DLSS is faster then a 2080Ti 4k with TAA).

Yes you can write per-game upscaling. What we have here is essentially an upscaler written by a deep learning super computer and it turns out it's pretty good at it. As to why that is possible, well it's because it's upscaling programs essentially contain information about what the image should look like when upscaled which they use to upscale well. The more information you can squeeze into that program the better the result you will get. The super computer has done an amazing job of compressing a lot of info about how 4k images are meant to look in a game into a program several mb's in size. Hence run that on the appropriate hardware (some tensor cores) and you get amazing upscaling.

That was a great video thanks.

 

[sze5003]

For sure. Check microcenter if you wish to buy. The price in cart is advantageous to day the least. Still too much $$$ imho. I’d rather wait for the big format gaming displays or a ultra wide with those features. Heck I’d rather forgo gsync and get a 55” oled at those prices if I needed something right this minute.

My microcenter has 3 of them. I'd want to look at them in person. It would be nice if it was a 32 inch version. I feel like if I buy this one I wouldn't want to touch another monitor but ultrawide also seems very nice.

 

[happy medium]

Here is the story that goes with the Video:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-dlss-turing-tech-analysis

It has a couple of nice comparisons tools, that seem better scene matched that some screen shots.

After looking at MANY of these comparisons, it is clear that the is some give and take between DLSS and TAA in terms of image quality. When pouring over still images you can find some areas where each look better than the other. But overall, in motion at 4K it would be very difficult to see any difference.

One of the guys in video mentions doing comparison standing very close to a 65" 4K TV, and essentially finding it impossible to see a difference in motion. Standing close to a 65" 4K TV, is harsher test than playing on a 4K desk monitor.

The one misgiving I have so far, is this is this just canned demos, where you get some obvious benefits for training a network.

They did say that the fight scene in the demo changed every time it ran, and image quality was just as good. So the training network would not benefit from this.