NVIDIA Stereovision on morning news(!)

[kekewons]

If it DOESN'T work in Windows 7 there will be some loud screams I'm sure,coming primarily from the folks at Nvidia! I would think they have literally "bet the house" on the potential outcome of their technology, and if W7 won't support it, Nvidia is toast.

The real disappointment for many other potential early adopters (and because they were older 3D users) is that it doesn't work (at the moment anyway) in XP. That is, quite possibly, a marketing choice that might well come back to haunt both Nvidia and Microsoft.

Early adopters and early believers really don't like to get burned that way....

Not entirely understandable either, btw, on the part of manufacturers...given that current 3D necessarily MUST be DX10/10.1 compatible because of the limitations introduced with Vista (and of course XP isn't DX10/10.1 compatible), but it's still a stumbling block, too, for many "previous believers/previous 3D users" I'm sure.

I am one myself, and it's hard to feel your "trust" is well placed.

I had thought so until recently. Not so sure tonight.


k

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: kekewons
If it DOESN'T work in Windows 7 there will be some loud screams I'm sure,coming primarily from the folks at Nvidia! I would think they have literally "bet the house" on the potential outcome of their technology, and if W7 won't support it, Nvidia is toast.

The real disappointment for many other potential early adopters (and because they were older 3D users) is that it doesn't work (at the moment anyway) in XP. That is, quite possibly, a marketing choice that might well come back to haunt both Nvidia and Microsoft.

Early adopters and early believers really don't like to get burned that way....

Not entirely understandable either, btw, on the part of manufacturers...given that current 3D necessarily MUST be DX10/10.1 compatible because of the limitations introduced with Vista (and of course XP isn't DX10/10.1 compatible), but it's still a stumbling block, too, for many "previous believers/previous 3D users" I'm sure.

I am one myself, and it's hard to feel your "trust" is well placed.

I had thought so until recently. Not so sure tonight.


k

3D Vision not being supported likely has more to do with:
A. There is no support for 3 and 4 way SLi in XP due to limitations for render ahead.
B. Windows XP is 8 years old and NVIDIA likely wants to focus driver efforts on OSs that aren't 110 in human years.

As far as the speculation about "What if this doesn't support Windows 7" goes, Ill just ask NVIDIA and end the mystery.

 

[SunnyD]

Hmm... let's point out a couple marketing dollars going to work here shall we?

Originally posted by: nRollo
I saw another article about the IZ3d tonight, people should probably think twice about going down that road:

Didn't you berate me for telling people what they should and shouldn't think somewhere along the way in this thread?

Originally posted by: nRollo
So tell me SunnyD, why should anyone give much thought to the opinions of people who have never seen this when all the people who have say it adds a whole new level of immersion and fun to the games it works well on?

Because guys like you "think" it must not be true?

LOL

Yup, looks like you did. :roll:

Originally posted by: nRollo

Nevertheless, we?d have to conclude that after spending hours upon hours with GeForce 3D Vision and several minutes with iZ3D?s demo of choice at CES 2009, we?d have to stick with the well-integrated Nvidia package until iZ3D is able to iron out some of the rough edges still apparent in its existing design.

Biased much? Typical Tom's article. He who gives us the most money gets the most favorable review.

It really is disgusting how much marketing crap we have to wade through to get real information these days.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Hmm... let's point out a couple marketing dollars going to work here shall we?

Originally posted by: nRollo
I saw another article about the IZ3d tonight, people should probably think twice about going down that road:

Didn't you berate me for telling people what they should and shouldn't think somewhere along the way in this thread?

Originally posted by: nRollo
So tell me SunnyD, why should anyone give much thought to the opinions of people who have never seen this when all the people who have say it adds a whole new level of immersion and fun to the games it works well on?

Because guys like you "think" it must not be true?

LOL

Yup, looks like you did. :roll:

Originally posted by: nRollo

Nevertheless, we?d have to conclude that after spending hours upon hours with GeForce 3D Vision and several minutes with iZ3D?s demo of choice at CES 2009, we?d have to stick with the well-integrated Nvidia package until iZ3D is able to iron out some of the rough edges still apparent in its existing design.

Biased much? Typical Tom's article. He who gives us the most money gets the most favorable review.

It really is disgusting how much marketing crap we have to wade through to get real information these days.

No offense intended SunnyD, but the fact of the matter is THG and I have actually used 3D Vision and are in a better postion to make relevant comments about it.

You don't even have negative reviews to back your opinions with second hand info, so I was just noting your opinions on this subject have less credibility than they do on other subjects.

Nothing personal, no "berating", just the only logical assessment of the situation.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: kekewons
If it DOESN'T work in Windows 7 there will be some loud screams I'm sure,coming primarily from the folks at Nvidia! I would think they have literally "bet the house" on the potential outcome of their technology, and if W7 won't support it, Nvidia is toast.

No worries kekewons, 3D Vision works in Windows 7 and the drivers are in QA.

Straight from NVIDIA.

 

[kekewons]

Thank you, nRollo. That could make a big difference for me.


k

 

[kekewons]

Nvidia has just released the newest Stereo 3D Driver. v181.20

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d_stereo.html#drivers

Vista 32 or 64 bit only (though it should also work with the Windows 7 beta).


k

 

[Wolfscream]

World of Warcraft's latest patch update enables 3D stereo support. I have to admit I'm a bit curious to try it out but it would be at a price premium for me 600 dollars for new (unnecessary) monitor and glasses, +however much for a nice new nvidia card. Rollo, do you know if Nvidia is planning on demoing Stereovision at retail stores?

 

[exar333]

Wow, what a thread!

This sound's like a fun tech that I wish a lot of people will get on board so some of the kinks can be worked out and the cost can go down. I don't think the cost of ownership justifies it for ME, but I am sure a lot of others may think differently.

I agree with some other posters that this would probably be more popular if you hook it up to existing displays; I just don't see a lot of people who recently purchased a LCD monitor (many are in this boat) getting a new one just for the 120mhz support.

On the other other hand, AS TIME GOES BY, this tech could gain traction. If these goggles were ~$100 and I was in the market for a new LCD, then it might sound more tempting.

It would also be great if these goggles worked with any video card brand; if Nvidia really wants these to flourish, they need to market them to as many as possible. Look what happened to Physx and Havok when they tried to compete with new technology, they failed.

As others have stated, I would love to try this out for myself. If Nvidia can showcase these properly, they might win over more buyers that otherwise might dismiss this as a "toy" before actually experiencing it.

In a nutshell, promising.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Wolfscream
World of Warcraft's latest patch update enables 3D stereo support. I have to admit I'm a bit curious to try it out but it would be at a price premium for me 600 dollars for new (unnecessary) monitor and glasses, +however much for a nice new nvidia card. Rollo, do you know if Nvidia is planning on demoing Stereovision at retail stores?

Sent to NVIDIA, we'll see.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'd think isometric top down RPG's would be quite fun with this (BG2 etc) or RTS games.

I'm just worried about the head ache thing (apart from the buy a new monitor thing).

Normal LCD monitors are fine at 60hz refresh because theres no screen flicker (ie the screen is not turning on and off 60 times a second) but these glasses (if Ive got the idea right) do.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Wolfscream
World of Warcraft's latest patch update enables 3D stereo support. I have to admit I'm a bit curious to try it out but it would be at a price premium for me 600 dollars for new (unnecessary) monitor and glasses, +however much for a nice new nvidia card. Rollo, do you know if Nvidia is planning on demoing Stereovision at retail stores?

NVIDIA is in the process of rolling out retail demo kiosks now. (from NVIDIA)

I read they bought 10,000 of the Samsung monitors like I have to sell, I imagine some will be used this so if you live near a good sized city you should be able to try it out.

I will be glad when the kiosks are out there and people can see this, for now I sound like the guy selling timeshares on the phone. "You wouldn't believe how cool this is! You need it!"

When people see it for themselves I think most will walk away impressed. Everyone I've shown it to thought it was pretty amazing.

 

[byteman99]

Have you tried the glasses in RTS games. I think it would be sweet playing the new Starcraft 2 or any of the current RTS with them.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke
I'd think isometric top down RPG's would be quite fun with this (BG2 etc) or RTS games.

I'm just worried about the head ache thing (apart from the buy a new monitor thing).

Normal LCD monitors are fine at 60hz refresh because theres no screen flicker (ie the screen is not turning on and off 60 times a second) but these glasses (if Ive got the idea right) do.

I'll see what I have for RTS games (not my favorite genre) and give them a try. I know I have World In Conflict installed for benching.

One thing people seem to be overlooking totally in the monitor side of the equation is that having a second monitor doesn't just mean you can do the 3d gaming- you can run dual monitors and have more windows open, enhance productivity, etc.. Or if you have a second pc still using a <shudder> CRT, you could upgrade that with your current monitor. (i.e. having another panel is always good)

Flicker with a 120Hz panel is not equivalent to flicker with a CRT, and I have not seen a review of this product that notes eyestrain as a significant factor.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Flicker with a 120Hz panel is not equivalent to flicker with a CRT, and I have not seen a review of this product that notes eyestrain as a significant factor.

You are not looking very hard
- you are supposed to take your 3D glasses OFF when you are reading; i did not realize your glasses filter all negative news about them
:Q



http://www.anandtech.com/video...c.aspx?i=3493&p=5&cp=4

All in all, this is like a very polished version of what we've had since the turn of the century. No flicker, less headaches (though there may still be some issue with people who have motion sickness . . .

http://www.anandtech.com/video...c.aspx?i=3493&p=4&cp=2

It's simple to adjust to a degree that is comfortable and doesn't cause huge amounts of eye strain. Because you do have to focus on objects at different depths, your eyes are working harder than when playing a normal game, and it forces you to do more looking at things rather than using your peripheral vision and just reacting like I often do when gaming. When it's done right (especially with out of screen effects) it fundamentally changes the experience in a very positive way.

But ...

In many games we tested there were some serious drawbacks. Even games that NVIDIA rated the experience as "excellent" we felt were subpar at best.

http://jonpeddie.com/reviews/d...fresh_double_your_fun/

So we tried about a half dozen games, specifically: Bioshock, Call of Duty World at War, Crysis Warhead, Fallout 3, FarCry2, Spore, and Stalker Clear Sky. We had different experiences with each game, most of it good, some of it annoying?FarCry2 being the most difficult?the results are very much game-dependent and setup-dependent.

However, after about 30 minutes I found the glasses to be annoying, felt a little nauseous, and decided to switch games. Later I learned that I missed the importance of the dial in the back of the IR transmitter, which can adjust the depth of view. That makes all the difference in the world in terms of eye strain and image quality. However, in playing the game I noticed a few places where the image was not resolved and/or had a shimmer to it which preventing seeing it?bad when in a fire fight.

Inside the game, fire looks like it?s floating in space, and the image is highly pixilated and has left-right jitter when moving. It?s good when stationary. It?s not easy or fun to play.

overall they liked it ..these were 'annoyances'

Here is a discussion from '02 on the old glasses. The biggest issue was low refresh rate - and headaches:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2285
Related to the old ones, i saw this:
http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiv...n/index.php?t2986.html

Take precaution though about using these products. There is evidence they cause eye damage with long exposure without any breaks. Read the FAQ on them and warnings on other websites.

is this also in the new glasses' FAQ?

finally if you are just interested in 3D and it's direction, this might be interesting:
http://jimbomania.com/3d-links.html
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/...-rupkalvis-ceo-of.html


and this is an older product that also used Nvidia drivers for stereo vision
http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_080a.html

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[SirPaulie]

So they are in the process of rolling them out which translates that they're out now? There was an article at Techreport that offered the impression with his wording he did check GeForce 3d vision in some senses but used the wording stereoscopic kiosk. There wasn't clarity there.

Here is that article -- pretty nasty and too many blanket views on wearing glasses, hehe!

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16256

Are they any GeForce3d Vision Kiosk's at Fry's yet? To the best of your knowledge, Rollo/Jethro?

I found this post that claims they did check GeForce3d Vision at a San Diego Fry's.

http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/...43250?#comment-1046541