NVIDIA Stereovision on morning news(!)

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
This is nice and all, but how much will it cost to get a system up and running to support this?

1) True 120hz LCD - most can't take a 120hz source?
2) 120FPS - SLI and a i7 overclocked?
3) Glasses?

1 + 2 + 3 = $$$

@nRollo

What LCD are you using that runs a 120hz source?

The 3007WFP-HC doesn't seem to support 120hz, at least no info I can find.

All the samsung HDTV I've seen don't support a 120hz PC source, including the expensive $5,000 model LN55A950 or PN63A760.

A Samsung LCD that has not been released yet.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Qbah

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Qbah
What did we find out about this particular implementation? Nothing. What is the point of this thread? It's a technical forum with a purely marketing thread. 3D on a 2D display sounds nice, I ain't putting a cross on this until I've seen it. But I have found out about the nV implementation absolutely nothing. Couldn't you wait till Thursday when you and some other people will probably link to their reviews?

Hmmm.

I see a PC gaming story on the national morning news and it's not post worthy on the video cards and graphics forum?

When was the last time anything related to a technical advance in PC gaming was on your morning news?

As far as a "technical" forum goes, we spend as much time here discussing whether single or dual pcb is more "elegant", or how "profitable" we think video cards are as we do anything "technical" here.

I'd think an actual user noting you can check this out on the news today, and reporting a great experience with it would be very welcome in this forum. Not like anyone else is posting about it.

For those who had the old glasses, think of this as the same with the issues fixed.

This week what we think of as "3d gaming" changes forever, this is ground zero. A lot of what we look at is about to change. (cryptic hint)

I guess... I'm a bit jumpy recently, got a nasty flu disease in the area, it's been keeping me tied to my bed for the last few days...

And I don't watch TV, at all Maye if a classic is running or something. So there

Got any streams of that news thingie? I imagine it must be available somewhere on the WWW... Would love to hear what they had to say about it.

EDIT: Also, if this will work for any 3D game it will be huge. It will be like AA, but instead of the muscle required to run it, you will need to screen for the refresh

i say it on "tech bites" [nationally produced for my local news] this AM also

if i did not *experience* it at NVISION, i would know little about it

it IS cool

@nRollo

What LCD are you using that runs a 120hz source?

The 3007WFP-HC doesn't seem to support 120hz, at least no info I can find.

All the samsung HDTV I've seen don't support a 120hz PC source, including the expensive $5,000 model LN55A950 or PN63A760.

This is NEW tech .. and very CHEAP to implement .. think of it as 2 x 60 hz, slightly out of synch with each other. Nvidia has had Viewsonic and several other manufacturers on board with it since at least before last Summer.

THE Nvidia reps TOLD me [aside] it will cost the SAME as regular [premium] LCDs .. evidently is not much more expensive to add [but obviously there will be no discounts on the new HW]

3D Glasses are ~ $100

i like it; it it is not overdone [and you choose the settings in the drivers]
.. there is also other technology - "overlays" to put over a special monitor that will do the same 3d thing without glasses.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
3D Glasses are ~ $100

According to the article, the glasses are $199.

Originally posted by: apoppin
This is NEW tech ..

I'm not so sure anymore. According to this techviewz article, there is still an infrared transmitter involved, the same as with the old ELSA Revelator wireless glasses. They both do the same "each eye only receives half the framerate" trick. So far they both seem identical. Are the glasses nothing more than LCD shutter glasses, same as the old ELSA glasses?

http://techviewz.blogspot.com/...-vision-and-calls.html

 

[solofly]

Check out what Kyle had to say...lol

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1382132

 

[Creig]

Tired of living in a 2D world? Get fully immersed in 3D with NVIDIA GeForce stereoscopic 3D technology. Come see for yourself as we transform the latest PC games into 3D, and see 3D movies and digital photographs come to life in an eye popping, interactive experience.

The NVIDIA booth is the FIRST place to see new NVIDIA custom engineered, active shutter glasses paired with the latest pure ViewSonic and Samsung 120 Hz LCDs, Mitsubishi Home Theater TVs, and DepthQ HD 3D projectors.

Well, I guess that answers that. LCD shutter glasses.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
3D Glasses are ~ $100

According to the article, the glasses are $199.

Originally posted by: apoppin
This is NEW tech ..

I'm not so sure anymore. According to this techviewz article, there is still an infrared transmitter involved, the same as with the old ELSA Revelator wireless glasses. They they both do the same "each eye only receives half the framerate" trick. So far they both seem identical. Are the glasses nothing more than LCD shutter glasses, same as the old ELSA glasses?

http://techviewz.blogspot.com/...-vision-and-calls.html

i mean 'new' in that you cannot modify your current LCD to work with these glasses

an entire new line of LCDs specifically set up to allow for 3d

and it DOES look better than the old glasses


as to the $199 we now know there is solid "margin" built into them
:Q

The NVIDIA booth is the FIRST place to see new NVIDIA custom engineered, active shutter glasses paired with the latest pure ViewSonic and Samsung 120 Hz LCDs, Mitsubishi Home Theater TVs, and DepthQ HD 3D projectors.

Not the first place ..
i can only only repeat what the Nvidia reps said last Summer at NVISION08

 

[AmberClad]

This is all starting to sound quite expensive ($200 for the glasses, plus whatever a compatible LCD monitor would cost)...

So, it sounds like Thursday before we get any info of substance.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: nRollo

and I'll be unplugging my Dell 3007WFP-HC to go back to my Samsung. It just feels wrong to play in 2d now, no matter how nice the screen is.

Uh-huh, so I guess now you admit that a screen?s content is more important than its size?

You know, kind of how like I was arguing a CRT was superior for gaming despite having a smaller size?

As for this news, I'm more excited by the fact that real 120 Hz LCDs are on their way and they might finally allow me to upgrade from my CRT.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: solofly
Check out what Kyle had to say...lol

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1382132

Comment from that forum:

This technology will probably break the record that physics cards set for the shortest amount of time between introduction and abandonment/mass-ridiculing.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: nRollo

and I'll be unplugging my Dell 3007WFP-HC to go back to my Samsung. It just feels wrong to play in 2d now, no matter how nice the screen is.

Uh-huh, so I guess now you admit that a screen?s content is more important than its size?

You know, kind of how like I was arguing a CRT was superior for gaming despite having a smaller size?

As for this news, I'm more excited by the fact that real 120 Hz LCDs are on their way and they might finally allow me to upgrade from my CRT.

Times change BFG.

Used to be high res/screen size was king, now 3d is.

Holograms would have beat size too.

 

[dguy6789]

I just bought a new LG W2252TQ 22" monitor a couple months ago. No way I'm buying another anytime soon.(Years)

 

[SickBeast]

Does this require 120FPS output on behalf of the GPU?

If it does, that's nuts IMO.

I'm a skeptic when it comes to 3D glasses and such. I find the effect weird personally. I saw "The Deep" in an IMAX theatre recently and was not really impressed by the effect.

 

[Demoth]

I've played around with some of the older 3D and VR tech and would easily be looking for a new monitor provided eyestrain and headache problems were solved. Even an old game like the original Doom is playable if you sit close using this type of tech.

It won't come down to cost if the experience is immersive. It won't be mainstream for a while, if ever, however. People who already are interested in 3D will be the consumers. It would have to knock your socks off to get into any type of gaming mainstream.

However, even if just adequate, a company like NVIDIA pursuing this avenue will bring in competition and it will be win/win for people like me who want the maximum possible game immmersion.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: solofly
Check out what Kyle had to say...lol

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1382132

Comment from that forum:

This technology will probably break the record that physics cards set for the shortest amount of time between introduction and abandonment/mass-ridiculing.

Comment from guy on forum who's never seen it is the key there.

The guy is also obviously just a NVIDIA hater, there are a few differences in the original Ageiaphysics cards and stereovision.

A notable one would be "works in a couple games with no more forthcoming" and "pretty much works in all games to some degree".

It's little things like changing the gaming experience totally in 100s of games that make this a bit more useful than an Ageia card a few years ago.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: solofly
Check out what Kyle had to say...lol

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1382132

Comment from that forum:

This technology will probably break the record that physics cards set for the shortest amount of time between introduction and abandonment/mass-ridiculing.

Kyle is a complete idiot and will kick himself in the arse for not taking them up on their offer. I have outside sources that told me these very things that Rollo is saying now 3 weeks ago but I was sworn to secrecy. Supposedly these glasses are like a watershed event in the gaming industry.

Another thing to note, I think the NVIDIA glasses are only compatible with NVIDIA graphics cards, which would make sense. So look for ATi to bring about their version as well.

Can't wait to get my hands on these things. Oh yeah, and a monitor too

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
This is nice and all, but how much will it cost to get a system up and running to support this?

1) True 120hz LCD - most can't take a 120hz source?
2) 120FPS - SLI and a i7 overclocked?
3) Glasses?

1 + 2 + 3 = $$$

THIS

I don't see many new LCD monitor that features 120hz, so I'm guessing nVidia is aiming for the 32+" LCD TV market? Also, for truly 3D immersive experience, you'll need a screen that covers the entire field of view. Also what about frame rates? Will it not require MINIMUM FPS of 120? How are most gamers going to drive that kind of rendering power without employing i7 and SLI GTX295? Add the $200 glasses, and you're looking at huge entrance cost....

I really don't see what's new here, it's almost like a refresh of really old tech, like the Elsa glasses.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: solofly
Check out what Kyle had to say...lol

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1382132

Comment from that forum:

This technology will probably break the record that physics cards set for the shortest amount of time between introduction and abandonment/mass-ridiculing.

Kyle is a complete idiot and will kick himself in the arse for not taking them up on their offer. I have outside sources that told me these very things that Rollo is saying now 3 weeks ago but I was sworn to secrecy. Supposedly these glasses are like a watershed event in the gaming industry.

Another thing to note, I think the NVIDIA glasses are only compatible with NVIDIA graphics cards, which would make sense. So look for ATi to bring about their version as well.

Can't wait to get my hands on these things. Oh yeah, and a monitor too

I'd say it looks bad on NV. Most people would be skeptical of this 3D glasses gimmick.

I find it hard to believe that I will want to use this type of thing, but we shall see. I hope they set up demos in stores like Best Buy so that people can actually see it in action. I would assume that screenshots and videos will not do it justice.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
This is nice and all, but how much will it cost to get a system up and running to support this?

1) True 120hz LCD - most can't take a 120hz source?
2) 120FPS - SLI and a i7 overclocked?
3) Glasses?

1 + 2 + 3 = $$$

THIS

I don't see many new LCD monitor that features 120hz, so I'm guessing nVidia is aiming for the 32+" LCD TV market? Also, for truly 3D immersive experience, you'll need a screen that covers the entire field of view. Also what about frame rates? Will it not require MINIMUM FPS of 120? How are most gamers going to drive that kind of rendering power without employing i7 and SLI GTX295? Add the $200 glasses, and you're looking at huge entrance cost....

I really don't see what's new here, it's almost like a refresh of really old tech, like the Elsa glasses.

Problem is you guys are wrong about some very key points because you haven't read the review guide or FAQ, and used the tech.

My guess is you'll like it better when you see what it's really about.

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: nRollo
Problem is you guys are wrong about some very key points because you haven't read the review guide or FAQ, and used the tech like some of us have.

Only a day and a half to go to find out why you're wrong though!

About how cheap can a person get into this setup?

To me it sounds like a money pit, that personally most don't need right now. When my LCD dies I'll consider it if the price is right, but I'm not paying over $100 for the glasses.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

Originally posted by: nRollo
Problem is you guys are wrong about some very key points because you haven't read the review guide or FAQ, and used the tech like some of us have.

Only a day and a half to go to find out why you're wrong though!

About how cheap can a person get into this setup?

To me it sounds like a money pit, that personally most don't need right now. When my LCD dies I'll consider it if the price is right, but I'm not paying over $100 for the glasses.

Like I said, you're basing this on some incorrect assumptions. It's nowhere near a "money pit", and I do know the launch day MSRP.

One interesting thing about this thread is it's split of opinions.

The people who have seen 3Dvision (me, Apoppin, PC Surgeon's friends) all say it's great, while many of those who haven't seen it in action seem determined to discount it.

I don't think it will matter in the end, some things sell themselves and my hunch is this will be one of them. Once you played with this, there's not much alternative left.

 

[thilanliyan]

It might be all great but there's no way it'll be cheap to get into it. You'll have to buy the monitor which will cost $300-$400 then the glasses which are apparently at $199 (?) and an nV video card if you don't have one. So a minimum of $500-$600 to use it...not cheap for the average person. I personally don't mind but it'd have to blow my mind if I saw it...and also I actually don't want games to look 100% like real life...lol I have reality for that...sometimes it's cool to just play a fun game.

nRollo, the monitor you use, did you buy it and if you did how much did it cost?

 

[plion]

so it's 3d for the rich?

 

[SSChevy2001]

Why do we need glasses anyway?
http://www.itechnews.net/2008/...stereoscopic-overlays/

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: thilan29
It might be all great but there's no way it'll be cheap to get into it. You'll have to buy the monitor which will cost $300-$400 then the glasses which are apparently at $199 (?) and an nV video card if you don't have one. So a minimum of $500-$600 to use it...not cheap for the average person. I personally don't mind but it'd have to blow my mind if I saw it...and also I actually don't want games to look 100% like real life...lol I have reality for that...sometimes it's cool to just play a fun game.

nRollo, the monitor you use, did you buy it and if you did how much did it cost?

I agree that $600 is not tip money, but in the scope of computer gaming, not outside the realm of accessories for a high end gaming solution. If that's entry cost, I think many will pay it.

The NVIDIA card part is one of the main reasons I've been telling people to think twice before buying ATi now. I know, not like I don't usually, but at this particular time it's big consideration as this is proprietary tech. If/when ATi does this, I'll adjust accordingly.

The monitor is on loan from NVIDIA, they aren't for sale yet. The day they take it back will be the day I order another, I won't game without this anymore.

This has re-kindled my interest in gaming, actually makes me want to play old games again to see what they should look like. The experience is very different.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
Why do we need glasses anyway?
http://www.itechnews.net/2008/...stereoscopic-overlays/

Could be we won't some day, but the reviews I've seen of products like Wazabee that utilize the multiple screens technique haven't been "great":

XBit review of dual panel technique

The left and right pictures are not separated fully, which leads to conspicuous and eye-straining artifacts in every game I have tried.

The NVIDIA solution has aspects built into it that remove the eye strain.