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[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: apoppin
it DOES get tiring - to ME
.. How tiring? .. one might ask this .. but not of you .. i DO game for sometimes EIGHT HOURS AT A STRETCH
- i am not that unusual .. for a gamer .. although a HW "enthusiast" may put these glasses on for 10 minutes and bubble "it is awesome"

Same here. 100+ hrs over two weeks (some of that was admittedly over the holidays...).

I didn't read through all of what was being debated, but longterm comfort for extended gaming sessions does seem like a legitimate concern for gamers.

Wow, you play games more hours than I put in at my full time job.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: nRollo
It's pretty addictive though maybe one of these days I'll pull a 3 hour stretch and know better.

3 hours sounds like a good ballpark number for a more typical session after a workday for me :thumbsup: (i.e. when I don't have two weeks off from work with nothing better to do...).

I hope that's not your idea of a marathon gaming session though .

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: apoppin
it DOES get tiring - to ME
.. How tiring? .. one might ask this .. but not of you .. i DO game for sometimes EIGHT HOURS AT A STRETCH
- i am not that unusual .. for a gamer .. although a HW "enthusiast" may put these glasses on for 10 minutes and bubble "it is awesome"

Same here. 100+ hrs over two weeks (some of that was admittedly over the holidays...).

I didn't read through all of what was being debated, but longterm comfort for extended gaming sessions does seem like a legitimate concern for gamers.

Agree 100% and honestly don't know.

As a parent, husband, software consultant, fisherman, hunter, caretaker of two houses (well, house and fishing cabin anyway) I do not have the time to spend 100 hours in two weeks.

I've played 30-60 minutes several times without issue, but don't know if the experience would be different for marathon sessions. There was something in the review kit (or FAQ?) about a person's eyes becoming more acclimated to it with time.

It's pretty addictive though maybe one of these days I'll pull a 3 hour stretch and know better.

i guess .. after all this time .. and a little shouting from the sidelines, you have got what i am requesting

please .. do .. many of us game for a few hours after work [or whenever]
-- i put in around 80 hours a week in my 2 jobs; i don't need to sleep much; when i am done benching in a few minutes, i expect to play Hellgate for at least 3 or 4 hours
- Moloch is in my sights .. and he is one tough bad guy
---i do not watch TV or movies

.. i game, therefore i am

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Same here. 100+ hrs over two weeks (some of that was admittedly over the holidays...).

Damn girl! You so crazy :shocked:

I get tired of gaming on a regular monitor after 2-3 hours. (Even quicker if I'm drinking).

I remember when I hit level 71 in WoW and a level 80 Death Knight ran past me...... I just can't grind that long. Kudos to those with the stamina to pull it off. (reminds me of the episode of south park...)

Either way. These glasses look cool. I would love to try them. I have no money and I just lost a power supply.

Bleh.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I get tired of gaming on a regular monitor after 2-3 hours. (Even quicker if I'm drinking).

Doesn't have that effect on me. My aim just suffers, and I get more prone to spray-and-pray and teamkilling :laugh:.

My day job is software engineer and it involves staring at a monitor for 9+ hour stretches, so you kind of a build up a tolerance for it. So if anyone can survive or adapt to a multi-hour session with these glasses, it might be me actually .

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I get tired of gaming on a regular monitor after 2-3 hours. (Even quicker if I'm drinking).

Doesn't have that effect on me. My aim just suffers, and I get more prone to spray-and-pray and teamkilling :laugh:.

My day job is software engineer and it involves staring at a monitor for 9+ hour stretches, so you kind of a build up a tolerance for it. So if anyone can survive or adapt to a multi-hour session with these glasses, it might be me actually .

I did programming for awhile and my mind would go numb, but that's work not play.

Now I need to remember your ID, in case you ever pop on CS:S or HLM....heh.

My aim is a bit rusty these days after so much Warcraft. I need to start shooting again.

 

[Avalon]

I read this from Tom's review...

"But the GeForce 3D Vision also isn?t part of a bundle deal. And you can?t use it with your CRT that just so happens to support 100 or 120 Hz refresh rates."

I didn't see that mentioned elsewhere...Keys/Rollo...can you confirm?

 

[CP5670]

I can play for at least 8 hours or so and used to do that regularly at one point with UT and Deus Ex, but I never have time for anything close to that these days.

 

[Pantalaimon]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
My patience is just wearing a bit thin with the FG group witch hunts. Someone always ready to pounce it seems.

Considering your fellow focus group colleague's history on this forum, are you seriously surprised at this?

 

[yusux]

Originally posted by: nRollo
Wow- a lot of stuff to adress here.

1. The glasses fit over prescription eyeglasses. I've worn the glasses over glasses a lot more than wearing contacts.

2. SLi necessity- I have been using this with a GTX260 Core 216 and it plays GREAT.

3. The Economic Times: The best time to introduce tech is as soon as it works- the economy has nothing to do with it. The people who can't afford it shouldn't buy it, those who can will if they like it.

4. Marketing: I can't put it any plainer- I don't care if you buy this or not. I reported on this because it's cool tech I think all 3d gamers would like. If ATi puts out a similar set of glasses tomorrow, I'll change my recommendation to "You should pick a brand and get this- changes everything". Ditto for the dual pane monitors if they fix the issues.

5. Cost: I said "for what it is" entrance cost is low. I didn't say "the cost is low for everyone".
I will say you can't spend the amount of money it will cost to do this in any other way and get 1/100th of the return on your investment in terms of 3d gaming.

6. Eyestrain- there are some VAST improvements here over the old tech. (this was my main problem with the old tech, and I love this)

Most of all- I'm not expecting anyone to take my word for this, or even have my preferences. If you're interested at all, read the reviews and go see it at a store or friend's house.

I'm just telling you for me, this is a VERY big deal, and I won't be without it. I'd spend the money this costs without thinking twice to have this.

I won't be writing an article about this like ChrisRay will be posting at B3d, but I'd be happy to answer questions about my experiences with it starting tomorrow. (and will be more specific in my answers, as NDA will be expired)

I hope some of you get a chance to try this as well, it's a lot of fun

Would it fit large size glasses like a Calvin Klein Collection 567 29?

Would it run on any 120hz LCD/Monitor that comes out in the future after this is released or just some "nVidia specific ones"

Would SLi, Tri and Quad SLi be compatible with this?

The glasses looks pretty dark, how much dimming on the brightness can we expect 1/3? or 1/2?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: yusux

Would it fit large size glasses like a Calvin Klein Collection 567 29?

Would it run on any 120hz LCD/Monitor that comes out in the future after this is released or just some "nVidia specific ones"

Would SLi, Tri and Quad SLi be compatible with this?

The glasses looks pretty dark, how much dimming on the brightness can we expect 1/3? or 1/2?

I'm sure you can find some huge glasses they won't fit over.

120Hz and dual link DVI are the only qualifications I know of.

SLi is currently compatible, 3 and 4 way coming soon.

I don't even think it's 1/3, but I have no way of measuring.

 

[SunnyD]

I do have a question - do you physically have to change any settings (driver or otherwise) before using a 3D app to use or not use these? In other words, if I get tired of wearing the glasses mid-game, can I just take them off and see the game as it would be as if I never had the glasses hooked up?

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
I do have a question - do you physically have to change any settings (driver or otherwise) before using a 3D app to use or not use these? In other words, if I get tired of wearing the glasses mid-game, can I just take them off and see the game as it would be as if I never had the glasses hooked up?

Don't think you can just take off the glasses, if you view the screen with both eyes simultaneously you'll see both stereoscopic images at the same time, which will appear offset by an inch or two. One of the videos shows this very clearly.

Good question though, I believe its a driver setting/CP change to enable 3D, so if you have to exit the game in order to change the setting, that'd be pretty annoying (similar to changing AA for games that don't support AA in-game).

 

[kekewons]

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[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
I just looked at the mock up a bit more closely. Rollo (and apoppin) -- I take it that neither of you two wear [prescription] glasses. Or if you do, then how would that work in conjunction with those? Is there going to be a clip-on version of them :laugh:?

O.O I didn't think of that...just browsing this thread and wow...how could I miss that? I wear glasses pretty much all of the time I'm awake.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: chizow
AT Write-Up

Goes into pretty good detail, the biggest problem with all of these reviews is there's no way they can adequately describe the 3D effect with pictures or words. Its really something you need to see with your own eyes with the proper hardware. There's certainly reason for skepticism with regards to the technology, hardware and price tag required, but simply dismissing it is foolish.

So we should all spend uber amounts of cash to "try it"?

Thanks, but no thanks...I'd rather build an i7 system than go overhaul with an SLI setup etc which requires a new board. No I don't think the performance with the glasses is acceptable by any means. And no I don't think lowering my resolution and details on games I can already play at 50+fps with DX10 is acceptable.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Thanks, but no thanks...I'd rather build an i7 system than go overhaul with an SLI setup etc which requires a new board. No I don't think the performance with the glasses is acceptable by any means. And no I don't think lowering my resolution and details on games I can already play at 50+fps with DX10 is acceptable.

Not quite sure I understand that comment. A i7 build would automatically require a new motherboard.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
So we should all spend uber amounts of cash to "try it"?

Thanks, but no thanks...I'd rather build an i7 system than go overhaul with an SLI setup etc which requires a new board. No I don't think the performance with the glasses is acceptable by any means. And no I don't think lowering my resolution and details on games I can already play at 50+fps with DX10 is acceptable.

Nope, but there's a difference between saying "I'm not interested because I can't afford it or don't think its worth it" vs. "I think the tech sucks because I can't afford it or don't think its worth it". Certainly everyone balances any purchasing decision based on perceived benefit vs. cost. You just have to find that point where it makes sense for you.

For me it wouldn't make sense until they managed 120Hz LCDs with higher resolutions and screen sizes, and not those fake 120-240Hz TVs and monitors with BFI or interpolation. And cheaper glasses too, maybe $50 bundled with a new GPU or something.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin

Not to mention the $1000s and $1000s I spend on other parts to make their hardware look good when I do benches.

revealing ... you spend money to make their HW "look good" ?

And yet he claims he isn't here doing Nvidia's PR work for them. I think this definitively proves what his real intentions are here. AEG, Nvidia Focus Group... It doesn't matter what it's called, it's all about marketing Nvidia products.

While normally I don't really care for a lot of nRollo's posts or agree with the way he spins things, I think in this case he's being chastised over nothing. I think what he's saying is he isn't going to run a GTX280 on a Sempron, for example. That would not do the card justice and would show it in a bad light that isn't truely reflective of what the card is capable of.

My guess is any focus group member who was to post benches in a public forum of Nvidia's new flagship card on an Athlon 2800+ isn't going to be a focus group member for long.

And on topic - I think the cost of entry is going to slow down or even stop this technology from getting off the ground. Most people are content with their monitors and don't want to buy a new monitor and $200 glasses (and potentially a new video card) for this. Just my thoughts on it.

Also what has been mentioned before...running non-native resolution and turning features and graphics options DOWN in the game you're playing just to get it to work. yes shadows mean a lot to me, yes that extra shader and texture work in DX10 does mean a lot to me, and no I won't give them up so that some scenery which no longer has full soft shadows with realistic HDR lighting reflecting off and through it can look like it's poking me in the face and giving me a headache at the same time.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: AmberClad
I just looked at the mock up a bit more closely. Rollo (and apoppin) -- I take it that neither of you two wear [prescription] glasses. Or if you do, then how would that work in conjunction with those? Is there going to be a clip-on version of them :laugh:?

O.O I didn't think of that...just browsing this thread and wow...how could I miss that? I wear glasses pretty much all of the time I'm awake.

Yeah, that is serious. I have contacts, but I don't like to wear them. Glasses are so much easier, I just wake up and in 1 second I have perfect vision... Contacts is at least 10 minutes of bullshit and if you get one tiny particle on one of them say hellow to fakked up eyes for the next several hours.

Glasses FTW

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Thanks, but no thanks...I'd rather build an i7 system than go overhaul with an SLI setup etc which requires a new board. No I don't think the performance with the glasses is acceptable by any means. And no I don't think lowering my resolution and details on games I can already play at 50+fps with DX10 is acceptable.

Not quite sure I understand that comment. A i7 build would automatically require a new motherboard.

Yes, but just to use the glasses I have to
1) buy a new monitor
2) buy glasses
3) buy new mobo because a single GTX280 tanks and my mobo is not SLI.

That might clarify.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Yeah, that is serious. I have contacts, but I don't like to wear them. Glasses are so much easier, I just wake up and in 1 second I have perfect vision... Contacts is at least 10 minutes of bullshit and if you get one tiny particle on one of them say hellow to fakked up eyes for the next several hours.

Lasik FTW

Fixed, which brings up another cost vs. benefit dilemma.

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Yes, but just to use the glasses I have to
1) buy a new monitor
2) buy glasses
3) buy new mobo because a single GTX280 tanks and my mobo is not SLI.

That might clarify.

Not necessarily, as you've already noted you'll have to drop down resolution from what you're running and turn off some of the more expensive details/settings like shadows for 3D. So you may very well be fine with just a GTX 280 although I'm sure the experience would be much better with close to 120FPS to match refresh rate.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
So we should all spend uber amounts of cash to "try it"?

Thanks, but no thanks...I'd rather build an i7 system than go overhaul with an SLI setup etc which requires a new board. No I don't think the performance with the glasses is acceptable by any means. And no I don't think lowering my resolution and details on games I can already play at 50+fps with DX10 is acceptable.

Nope, but there's a difference between saying "I'm not interested because I can't afford it or don't think its worth it" vs. "I think the tech sucks because I can't afford it or don't think its worth it". Certainly everyone balances any purchasing decision based on perceived benefit vs. cost. You just have to find that point where it makes sense for you.

For me it wouldn't make sense until they managed 120Hz LCDs with higher resolutions and screen sizes, and not those fake 120-240Hz TVs and monitors with BFI or interpolation. And cheaper glasses too, maybe $50 bundled with a new GPU or something.

Ok I see what you were getting at here. I think I read more into what you were saying than what was actually there.

For me, the thing is this. yes I am repeating much of what has been covered.

An i7 system, which I could build for the same money as what it'd cost to get acceptable performance out of this 3D system, would be a far greater benefit to me overall than having 3D. So if I am going to need to spend $200+ on a good overclocking mobo, $200 on glasses, $400 on monitor, and $300 on new video (because like I mentioned previously, the performance is not acceptable to me with a single GTX280 based on reviews) that's already $900 and I can build myself an i7 system with mobo/cpu/memory for that easily.

For me and I'm sure many others there is no justification for this.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: AmberClad
I just looked at the mock up a bit more closely. Rollo (and apoppin) -- I take it that neither of you two wear [prescription] glasses. Or if you do, then how would that work in conjunction with those? Is there going to be a clip-on version of them :laugh:?

O.O I didn't think of that...just browsing this thread and wow...how could I miss that? I wear glasses pretty much all of the time I'm awake.

Yeah, that is serious. I have contacts, but I don't like to wear them. Glasses are so much easier, I just wake up and in 1 second I have perfect vision... Contacts is at least 10 minutes of bullshit and if you get one tiny particle on one of them say hellow to fakked up eyes for the next several hours.

Glasses FTW

Not to derail the thread, but I don't wear contacts because when I'm out and about in sunny FL I tend to sweat and it will get into your eyes. Rubbing your eyes with contacts in is usually a no, no.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Yeah, that is serious. I have contacts, but I don't like to wear them. Glasses are so much easier, I just wake up and in 1 second I have perfect vision... Contacts is at least 10 minutes of bullshit and if you get one tiny particle on one of them say hellow to fakked up eyes for the next several hours.

Lasik FTW

Fixed, which brings up another cost vs. benefit dilemma.

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Yes, but just to use the glasses I have to
1) buy a new monitor
2) buy glasses
3) buy new mobo because a single GTX280 tanks and my mobo is not SLI.

That might clarify.

Not necessarily, as you've already noted you'll have to drop down resolution from what you're running and turn off some of the more expensive details/settings like shadows for 3D. So you may very well be fine with just a GTX 280 although I'm sure the experience would be much better with close to 120FPS to match refresh rate.

Well, I wouldn't be happy turning things down just to have 3D. I want those shadows, I want HDR and Bloom and all the extras. Lets not even think about what turning physx on would do to the framerate with these.

That's me, I want to experience everything at highest detail. It's sorta like me rather watching a Blu-Ray movie with 1080p and lossless sound vs seeing it in 3D.