Nvidia Titan II GPU-Z Validation

[lopri]

Which GPU was first manufactured on 28 nm? I forgot.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Which GPU was first manufactured on 28 nm? I forgot.

Probably the first GCN cards?

 

[HurleyBird]

Tahiti.

 

[RussianSensation]

@ Mondozei,

In terms of technical specs, 780 was a decent card and an awesome overclocker. What I meant is releasing first didn't mean "NV won," not like when NV released a 970 this round. 780 was priced high at $650 which meant very niche segment for sales and in hindsight it has aged very poorly. AMD undercut it by a whopping $250 with more VRAM to boot. If 780 was an AMD card with this history, it would honestly be ridiculed. Essentially in just 1.5 years since 780 launched, this level of performance could be purchased in a $300 after-market 290. That's a shocking level of depreciation and price/performance erosion.

So it is true after all that AMD/NV will be stuck at 28 nm for another year or so? Enjoy the PC gaming, folks.

Most likely true and the earlier rumours of NV and AMD going from 28nm to 14nm/16nm FinFET in 2016 seem likely. This suggests in the surface that the next major generation after this one will have a bigger leap in price/performance and absolute performance. Look at what Kepler accomplished with 680 vs. 580 and 780Ti vs. 580. 980 is already nowhere as good vs. 780Ti suggesting that GM200 will not be 2X faster than 780Ti.

NV has actually moved up roadmaps for Volta by 1 year and Pascal is hinted as on track for 2016. We don't know which 2016 Pascal parts will launch but since GM200 hasn't even launched, it's indeed possible that Big Pascal will be out around 2-2.25 years after GM200. This is in stark contrast to 3 full years it took for 780Ti to replace the 580; and if we consider 580 really a 480, it took more than 3.5 years!!!! All signs point to this 28nm being relatively short lived.

I am of the opinion though that 4K monitor pricing/adoption and onset of true next generation PC games will drive PC gaming upgrades regardless of these GPU cycles. Since a lot of gamers are still on 1920x1200 and below, older/less powerful cards are still viable for now, allowing many to hold off their upgrades well into their 3rd and even 4th year. This wasn't possible in the 90s and 2000s. Outside of "enthusiast" circles, a lot of gamers are perfectly satisfied with 660Ti/670/680/770/7870/7950/7970/R9 270X for 1080p gaming with some combination of Medium-Very High settings.

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Some interesting news that might suggest GM200 is still ways a way from the consumer market:

EVGA preparing GTX 980 Classified K|NGP|N Edition
http://videocardz.com/54187/evga-preparing-gtx-980-classified-kingpin-edition

If you guys were NV, would you launch GM200 with KP edition sitting at $1000 as soon as possible? What do you guys think based on this leak of 980 KP --> GM200 Q1 or closer to spring/summer 2015?

 

[skipsneeky2]

Nice find on that Kingpin RS Starting to sound exactly like the 700 series all over again

Guess if you buy a 970 now,you got a whole 2-3 years before a solid mid range card can be worthy of a upgrade.I am thinking 670 to 970 upgrade cycle.That is damn big.Why buy a 980 now knowing it should really be a 970?The 970 mind as well be a 960 cause the 670/680 pretty much turned into 760/770.

I guess anyone serious about the $499 980 mind as well hold off,grab a 970 and when the 384 bit cards arrive sell it as quickly as possible,pay the difference after the sell and run their shiny new 384 big Maxwell.That or hold off on even buying anything lol.

 

[mojothehut]

I have been itching for an upgrade for some time now. And for once, I'm going to buy the latest, most powerful beast. So depending on which camp gets a new card out, I'll jump on.

Then I'll use it to game at 60fps on a single 1080p monitor and prepare for hate from the community *evil laugh*

My 7950 needs to go

 

[railven]

What I like about NV's big die strategy is that those chips scale really well with overclocking as they are packed with ROPs, TMUs and CUDA cores. With these specs, and overclocking, it should come pretty close to 970 SLI OC. Looks like NV will have a similar strategy to Kepler launch: mid-range first, Quadro/Tesla compute, then GM200. The missing card is GTX690 successor. Hopefully 390X lives up to the hype so that NV doesn't go beyond $700 on GM200.

At this point AMD delivering a product would be enough for me. I can't take the hype train any more. Too much disappointment.

I just know this time I'm reading to just let my wallet get abused. First company to give me 970 SLI+ performance on one card gets all my money.

ALL OF IT.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Then I'll use it to game at 60fps on a single 1080p monitor and prepare for hate from the community *evil laugh*

My 970 or 290x i intend on getting soon myself pretty much is for my 720p 26'' t.v.Getting it mostly for the 4gb and the newer games but i also use DSR when performance enables me too.When the t.v goes, i am moving up to a 27'' 1080p monitor.

DSR pretty much gives me 1932x1084 or 2366x1333 and both these i use in games like BF4 and BF3 and they both look excellent.:biggrin: Use it in other games as well but those look the best with it enabled.

 

[lopri]

Probably the first GCN cards?

Tahiti.

Thank you. According to Wiki AMD announced those in Dec 2011, and subsequently released them in Jan 2012. Apparently the writing has been on the wall since then, for both AMD and NVIDIA.

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

http://techsoda.com/no-20nm-graphics-amd-nvidia/

And the last link I found in my 2 minute search contains a link to an interesting piece about an interesting topic at the top left column. I won't link that piece here out of respect but suffice to say it was verrrry unexpected. You just do not know what is out there on the Internet!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Nice find on that Kingpin RS Starting to sound exactly like the 700 series all over again

At least the 900 series isn't VRAM gimped though, at least so far. Man I would be pissed if I paid the $400 launch price for a 2GB 770.

 

[Will Robinson]

Interesting article there lopri,especially the comments about it.

 

[skipsneeky2]

At least the 900 series isn't VRAM gimped though, at least so far. Man I would be pissed if I paid the $400 launch price for a 2GB 770.

The only game i have played on my rig that i own and bought seriously tanking on 2gb of vram was Titanfall and this was at 720p!.I saw youtube videos of Insane textures+4x TXAA@ 1080p still making a 970 drop into the mid 50s all while sitting under 3gb vram usage.Anyone who has played that game knows how horrible mid 50 drops feel in a game capped at 60fps.

Not sure how much many games if any that are current next gen that can consume close to 4gb and run good on a 970@1080/1440p.Is there any that consume less then 3gb even?Perhaps newer games could come out that later that will make the 970/980 looked gimped.Wouldn't put it pass me.

You are right about nothing being gimped as of now,the only people maybe not even remotely worried about being gimped are 6gb Titan/780ti owners and they are good till Big Maxwell or whatever is pass that.

 

[escrow4]

I'll buy it Day 1 for $1K if its at least 30%+ faster than this 780 Ti I have. For 1200p too, single GPUs still can't max that out with a solid 60FPS with AA turned up.

 

[alcoholbob]

I'll buy it Day 1 for $1K if its at least 30%+ faster than this 780 Ti I have. For 1200p too, single GPUs still can't max that out with a solid 60FPS with AA turned up.

With the number of CUDA cores listed, if the initial Titan II is not a cut down card, it would be at least 50% faster than 780Ti.

 

[skipsneeky2]

I'll buy it Day 1 for $1K if its at least 30%+ faster than this 780 Ti I have. For 1200p too, single GPUs still can't max that out with a solid 60FPS with AA turned up.

Any games outside of perhaps Crysis 3 you playing that can't hold 60 fps with AA off?AA off obviously is the best option to gain fps without costing a penny but i bet there is some games that still can't be capped at 60fps and hold with AA off.

Your a vsync user i take it?