Nvidia Titan II GPU-Z Validation

Mondozei

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Of course it's a quadro but the same GPU will be used for GTX cards.

Bingo. That's what they did with the Titan and they'll do it again with Titan II. As Astra said, gotta release it to the unsuspecting NV fanboy hordes who will buy and gobble up anything for shameful prices.

Remember, if AMD goes down, the 1000 dollar range will be the new 500-600 dollar range. Nvidia will be able to charge that cash for cards that are essentially not better than the 'normal' GTX (X)80 flagships.

2015 looks like a doozy if we're going to be on 28 nm for yet another year.
GloFo have a special deal with AMD and since 14 nm this autumn looks likely, I hope they do get there by autumn since AMD has a priority with them. That would shake things up considerably for Nvidia. The whole "Titan" card range is a sickness and a disease.

The 295X2 was at least a dual GPU like the 690 + had watercooling and as such justified its price (somewhat). We will know the GPU market is in a healthier spot once Nvidia abandons the Titan range.
 

stahlhart

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Bingo. That's what they did with the Titan and they'll do it again with Titan II. As Astra said, gotta release it to the unsuspecting NV fanboy hordes who will buy and gobble up anything for shameful prices.

Remember, if AMD goes down, the 1000 dollar range will be the new 500-600 dollar range. Nvidia will be able to charge that cash for cards that are essentially not better than the 'normal' GTX (X)80 flagships.

2015 looks like a doozy if we're going to be on 28 nm for yet another year.
GloFo have a special deal with AMD and since 14 nm this autumn looks likely, I hope they do get there by autumn since AMD has a priority with them. That would shake things up considerably for Nvidia. The whole "Titan" card range is a sickness and a disease.

The 295X2 was at least a dual GPU like the 690 + had watercooling and as such justified its price (somewhat). We will know the GPU market is in a healthier spot once Nvidia abandons the Titan range.

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crisium

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Seems about right. If the 960 Ti ends up being 1536 shaders and 48 ROPs on 192-bit (where my money is on), then the Titan II will be double that. The Titan was effectively 2 x 660 Ti.

Hey, if people want to spend $1000 to get the best single GPU performance, then I support this as long as they can afford to do so. Sure a $400 290 matched the $1000 Titan later in the same calender year, but if your budget was limitless you'd have upgraded from a Titan to a 290x / 780 Ti / 980 and wouldn't care - you simply have the best at the time. People pointlessly throw money at cars all the time, what's $1000 to get the top video game performance in the world, even if only for a few months, if you can afford to do so on a regular basis?

The only time I adversely judge Titan owners is, well, when I still see people with Titans in their signature. They obviously couldn't afford to get it in the first place if they still have it now. Although some will cite "compute performance" or whatever, when it comes to pure gaming if you still have a Titan then you failed your budget. My personal thoughts and feelings only.
 

njdevilsfan87

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Going to be a beast! 50% MOAR EVERYTHING than the GM204 across the board with insane amount of VRAM to go with it. Titan continues living up to its name - a beast with too much VRAM for most to know what to do with.
 
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djnsmith7

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Titan continues living up to its name - a beast with too much VRAM for most to know what to do with.

12 GB is a healthy number for folks that want to game @ 4k @ 60 (4:4:4) (w/ everything maxed), but I don't know if the Titan II will have enough horsepower to maintain a 60 fps min. That's a very tall order & I'd be surprised to see either team get it right with the next round.

Would like to see some best guesses from folks that have already delved into 4k.
 
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skipsneeky2

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I am waiting for a 384 bit card replacement to replace the 256bit 980 that is"high end" right now.The 780 pretty much rebranded the 680 as a 770 then pretty much told it to sit down cause it was time to make way for the proper replacement.

Titan 2 simply will confirm the release of 384 bit desktop cards i am certain of it,390x doesn't help much either with what competition it is gonna bring.
 

Cloudfire777

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What are you talking about? GTX Titan 2 specs was edited the same date as Quadro M6000 was made. Titan 2 is higher clocked M6000

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2632/geforce-gtx-titan-ii.html
 

RussianSensation

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What I like about NV's big die strategy is that those chips scale really well with overclocking as they are packed with ROPs, TMUs and CUDA cores. With these specs, and overclocking, it should come pretty close to 970 SLI OC. Looks like NV will have a similar strategy to Kepler launch: mid-range first, Quadro/Tesla compute, then GM200. The missing card is GTX690 successor. Hopefully 390X lives up to the hype so that NV doesn't go beyond $700 on GM200.
 

tential

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What I like about NV's big die strategy is that those chips scale really well with overclocking as they are packed with ROPs, TMUs and CUDA cores. With these specs, and overclocking, it should come pretty close to 970 SLI OC. Looks like NV will have a similar strategy to Kepler launch: mid-range first, Quadro/Tesla compute, then GM200. The missing card is GTX690 successor. Hopefully 390X lives up to the hype so that NV doesn't go beyond $700 on GM200.

Irregardless of whether 390X lives up to hype or not, Nvidia again wins by getting to market first. I'm not sure whether Nvidia is just amazing at what they do or AMD is just really really bad at it.

April/May of 390x release date is a long way away... I should have picked up Crossfire R9 290s for $400.
 

RaistlinZ

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This will be $3,000.00 but only give $700.00 worth of performance. Cuz that's how Nvidia rolls.
 

Carfax83

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I'm honestly thinking about dumping SLI for good and going with just one big card. If Titan II or big Maxwell has enough performance for 1440p that I can play everything maxed out, then I may just buy it and sell my G1 GTX 970s..
 

tential

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I'm honestly thinking about dumping SLI for good and going with just one big card. If Titan II or big Maxwell has enough performance for 1440p that I can play everything maxed out, then I may just buy it and sell my G1 GTX 970s..

Lets be real, Titan II is not going to be worth it. Big Maxwell will probably deliver even more performance than the Titan II just like it did last gen.

If you aren't doing both gaming/whatever Titan II is supposed to do, then Big Maxwell is where you should be at.
 

skipsneeky2

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Anyone thinking the 980 could eventually be rebadged and replaced by a 384 bit $499 card to compete with 390x?I can't get over this possibly happening.Titan 2 as glorious as it could be i bet will be another short lived beast.
 

tential

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GTX 980 will drop in price and the GTX 980 Ti will hit $500 when the 390x comes out.

We've seen this story before. Just look at how the GTX 780/Titan/R9 290 played out to know what to expect.
GTX 980/GTX970 will drop in price when the R9 390x comes out to what they're actually worth. Currently Nvidia is first to market, so they can charge more then drop prices and release the GTX 980 Ti when the competition actually comes.
 

njdevilsfan87

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12 GB is a healthy number for folks that want to game @ 4k @ 60 (4:4:4) (w/ maxed everything), but I don't know if the Titan II will have enough horsepower to maintain a 60 fps min. That's a very tall order & I'd be surprised to see either team get it right with the next round.

Would like to see some best guesses from folks that have already delved into 4k.

I like Titan because it supplies such overkill amount of VRAM you literally never have to worry about. Skip over all those threads asking if 2GB, 3GB, and soon 4GB of VRAM will be enough.

I think ~6-8GB will turn out to the sweet spot for 4K. Not in the next generation of GPUs, but the ones that follow that may have enough horsepower to push 60fps on a single GPU. But then you're going to have people trying to push 4K surround that will require ~24GB Titan III GPUs.
 

RussianSensation

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Anyone thinking the 980 could eventually be rebadged and replaced by a 384 bit $499 card to compete with 390x?I can't get over this possibly happening.Titan 2 as glorious as it could be i bet will be another short lived beast.

Some almost impossible to believe rumours:

"NVIDIA Planning To Ditch Maxwell GPUs For HPC Purposes Due To Lack of DP Hardware – Will Update Tesla Line With Pascal in 2016, Volta Arriving in 2017"
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-planning...e-tesla-line-pascal-2016-volta-arriving-2017/

In that case, it doesn't sound like Titan II would come out in Q1 2015. I am having a hard time believing that NV will have nothing better than GK210 for compute for 1.5 years though.

Irregardless of whether 390X lives up to hype or not, Nvidia again wins by getting to market first. I'm not sure whether Nvidia is just amazing at what they do or AMD is just really really bad at it.

I personally don't view as getting to market first as automatically winning. 5850-5870/7970 didn't win by being first. Also, I view Titan and 780 as failures to be honest rather than winners considering what happened with R9 290. Think about how a $650 780 3GB and $1000 Titan look like today against an after-market 290/290X/970?

Titan is only for those who need DP or don't care about price and just want bragging rights. Considering you can buy 3x 970s/290Xs, 2x 980s, 4x 290s for the price of a single Titan at launch, I don't think in practical terms the Titan was a great gaming product. Even though it was expensive, the 8800GTX lasted for years and maintained premium status for a while.

April/May of 390x release date is a long way away... I should have picked up Crossfire R9 290s for $400.

If 380X/390/390X are as good as the leaks suggest, you might be able to pick up the efficient 970s used for $500 in 6-8 months, maybe used for $450. Right now at the beginning of a new generation prices will be at the highest levels. I honestly don't see why NV couldn't price 780/780Ti successors at $799 and $999 when their 980 is selling well at $550-600. I don't necessarily think NV even needs DP to price GM200 at $999 without 390X anywhere close in sight. For gamers who always want the best, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to pay $1000 from $700 of 780Ti. It's like the high end IEM/headphone market in the last 3-4 years -- prices will keep going up as long as the market is willing to support them.

Without strong competition from AMD, GM200 would still sell well at even $1000. Without GTX990, I actually project the initial pricing of GM200 above $699. I just wish NV gave the flagship with so many functional units full viltage control/unlock.
 
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Mondozei

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I personally don't view as getting to market first as automatically winning. 5850-5870/7970 didn't win by being first. Also, I view Titan and 780 as failures to be honest rather than winners considering what happened with R9 290. Think about how a $650 780 3GB and $1000 Titan look like today against an after-market 290/290X/970?

I agree with a lot of what you say but not on the 780. Yeah, the Titan was a massive flop - and let's not even talk about Titan Z - but the 780 did well. It overclocked better than the 290 and could reach slightly higher performance deltas as a result. In the past, that would have been a hindrance as overclocking was difficult but today you do it with a click of a button, so it's much more accessible.



Titan is only for those who need DP or don't care about price and just want bragging rights. Considering you can buy 3x 970s/290Xs, 2x 980s, 4x 290s for the price of a single Titan at launch, I don't think in practical terms the Titan was a great gaming product. Even though it was expensive, the 8800GTX lasted for years and maintained premium status for a while.

Well, the 970/980 didn't exist when Titan was launched and price cannot be dissassociated from timing.
But you're right that the Titan has aged incredibly badly, given its price.


Right now at the beginning of a new generation prices will be at the highest levels. I honestly don't see why NV couldn't price 780/780Ti successors at $799 and $999 when their 980 is selling well at $550-600. I don't necessarily think NV even needs DP to price GM200 at $999 without 390X anywhere close in sight. For gamers who always want the best, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to pay $1000 from $700 of 780Ti. It's like the high end IEM/headphone market in the last 3-4 years -- prices will keep going up as long as the market is willing to support them.

Nvidia tried that with the Titan Z. It didn't happen. A lot will rest on when AMD releases their cards. If 2015 will be a re-run of 2013, then we'll see overpricing.

All the leaks have suggested new AMD cards in Q1. I think Q2 is more likely, but it stands to reason that their last (major) release is now almost 1.5 years ago. I doubt they'll go for a full two years. And Nvidia is aware of this, too.

Without strong competition from AMD, GM200 would still sell well at even $1000. Without GTX990, I actually project the initial pricing of GM200 above $699. I just wish NV gave the flagship with so many functional units full viltage control/unlock.

The Maxwell lineup has been somewhat disappointing. A lot of technical features have been shifted to Pascal. Look at the GPU roadmaps from 2013 and then compare them to 2014. And no new node shrinks as of now either and looks more and more unlikely for NV for 2015.

It has still been able to sell well because it is competing with technology from 2013.

The R300 series will most likely come with HBM, and that's a huge deal. 14 is coming in the autumn but they need a response now. We could see a two-part release in a single year, but that'd be crazy, yet wonderful.
 
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lopri

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So it is true after all that AMD/NV will be stuck at 28 nm for another year or so? Enjoy the PC gaming, folks.
 
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So it is true after all that AMD/NV will be stuck at 28 nm for another year or so? Enjoy the PC gaming, folks.

It's fine when we're getting good perf gains with new GPUs. Doesn't matter the node when there's the gains.

Unlike the CPU front.. new node, pathetic gains.
 
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