nVidia to launch DirectX10 in November?

[josh6079]

What big Hype? There has been little to no hype from nvidia... ATI only wish they could say the same with their engineers talking about R600 in forums for years now...

Every forum I go to has talked about G80 just about as much as R600. In fact, here at Anandtech I have seen more G80 threads than R600 threads. Why? Because it's build is strange and new, and it's going to launch sooner. Heck, actual pictures have been released of a probable engineering sample for the G80. I have yet to see a shot of such an R600 product.

What does ATI engineers talking about R600 in forums have to do with you being frustrated that someone brought up the nv30 anyway?

The fact is, G80 is almost here but since it isn't yet speculation can still happen. Speculating that it isn't going to be good is as valid as saying that it will be since niether can be proved at this point.

 

[Gstanfor]

What do people on forums wildly speculating about a product have to do with hype, specifically, the sort of hype that accompanied nv30's launch Josh?

Once again, where is the nvidia hype you speak of? Why can I find posts by ATi employees about R600 all over B3D forums, but not one single post pertaining to G80 (or any other nvidia product) from nvidia employees (and nvidia employees DO occasionally post on B3d...)

 

[josh6079]

What do people on forums wildly speculating about a product have to do with hype...

That's what hype is, commotion about the unknown.

...specifically, the sort of hype that accompanied nv30's launch Josh?

People speculated that it would be great and it wasn't.

Once again, where is the nvidia hype you speak of?

Anywhere that has G80 as the hot topic. I think you're confusing what I mean by hype. I'm not saying that Nvidia employees are making this card sound like it's going to be the best thing since sliced bread. For all I know, the people who are saying so are just enthusiasts like myself who have researched about it throughout the net.

Why can I find posts by ATi employees about R600 all over B3D forums...

Because you have an unhealthy infatuation with Baumann? I don't know Gstanfor, I'm not saying that they aren't talking about it somewhere, I'm just saying that from what I've seen here there has been more discussion about G80--proabably due to the fact that it is coming first. When R600 is closer to hitting there will probably be more R600 threads.

...but not one single post pertaining to G80 (or any other nvidia product) from nvidia employees (and nvidia employees DO occasionally post on B3d...)

Ask the Nvidia employees. How should I know? I have no idea why they're not talking about their upcoming product.

 

[Gstanfor]

Nice try Josh. I'll give you that much. But it doesn't fly and you know it. nvidia isn't hyping anything at the moment, no matter how much ati fanatics would like them to be. As I said, their favored company can't say the same thing.

I'd also love to know what ATi employees speaking on b3d has to do with a so-called baumann infatuation on my part (though it is interesting that the number of posts they make there now has diminished markedly since Baumann went to work for ATi). The post were made, period. No amount of mud slinging in my direction will unmake them, unfortunately for the fanatics.

As for the "uncertain performance" of g80 people would do well to remember that microsoft has imposed performance baselines that have to be met for DX10, so, as long as a card meets or exceeds those baselines, there is no such thing as a poorly performing DX10 card.

Then there is the attempt to correlate nv30 & G80 with regard to uncertain performance of a new architecture, which conveniently ignores NV40 (a new architecture)...

I'm afraid the fanatics are going to have to dig up some better FUD than what is contained in this thread - the mud isn't sticking (except for that fired back...)

 

[josh6079]

Nice try Josh. I'll give you that much. But it doesn't fly and you know it.

What are you talking about?

nvidia isn't hyping anything at the moment, no matter how much ati fanatics would like them to be. As I said, their favored company can't say the same thing.

Again, what does this have to do with the upcoming G80? I never said that Nvidia employees were doing so. What is your deal?

I'd also love to know what ATi employees speaking on b3d has to do with a so-called baumann infatuation on my part (though it is interesting that the number of posts they make there now has diminished markedly since Baumann went to work for ATi). The post were made, period. No amount of mud slinging in my direction will unmake them, unfortunately for the fanatics.

What does that have to do with G80 again?

As for the "uncertain performance" of g80 people would do well to remember that microsoft has imposed performance baselines that have to be met for DX10, so, as long as a card meets or exceeds those baselines, there is no such thing as a poorly performing DX10 card.

So Nvidia will never need to make another card for DX10 since there will be "no such thing as a poorly performing DX10 card" if G80 meets the DX10 specs?

Then there is the attempt to correlate nv30 & G80 with regard to uncertain performance of a new architecture, which conveniently ignores NV40 (a new architecture)...

The G80 can be compared to all kinds of sucessful Nvidia designs and that would be fine too. Speculating on whether the card will or will not fail isn't a crime and--at this point--it is just as valid to speculate a reoccuring FX launch as it is a reoccuring G70 launch. Who knows? Like I said though, I don't think the nv30 one will happen. I think G80 will be impressive. Nvidia has the ability to be an industrial leader in their field and every good company has their shares of mistakes. Reflecting over some of those mistakes doesn't mean that they will actually make them again.

I'm afraid the fanatics are going to have to dig up some better FUD than what is contained in this thread - the mud isn't sticking (except for that fired back...)

What are you talking about? Ever since someone brought up the failure of nv30 you've been riding your "fanatic" horse and claiming that anyone who even discusses that card in any Nvidia thread is a "fanatic". Chill.

 

[Gstanfor]

keep dodging... won't do you or appopin or creig any good...

 

[josh6079]

I'm not dodging anything. I simply said that I have seen more threads about G80 here than R600. That's purely my opinion.

I also said that since the G80 isn't out yet, we can't say for sure how it will perform. Whether it will be good, bad, the same...who knows? I don't believe it will disappoint.

Why is that so hard for to grasp?

 

[Gstanfor]

It's not hard to grasp Josh, and I'm not saying you yourself have tried to drag G80 down, but apoppin certainly has (given his posting history and attitude toward nvidia I'd expect nothing less).

Of course lots of people are talking about G80, that just reflects how popular nvidia and their products are. That doesn't mean you can apply the end user hype to the future product though. Their was plenty of end user hyping for nv30 also. That's not what damaged it. It was nvidia's own hyping and PR that did that. An important distinction. If forum users are silly enough to believe their own speculation on a product they deserve to be disappointed by it IMHO.

 

[Creig]

Greg, could you please shut up now? The biggest "fanatic" in this thread appears to be YOU. If you'd quit foaming at the mouth for two minutes and went back and actually read your own posts you'd realize this.

 

[Gstanfor]

Oh, I think you'll find I've only replied in response to posts by the fanatics, and addressed the arguments they have brought up Creig...

 

[MBrown]

:laugh:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: apoppin

ah yes . . . NV30 . . . brand new architecture to run DX9 and to compete with r300 [9700p] . . .

nvidia launched NVIDIA's NV30 chip, better known as the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra . . . after spending BIG bucks . . . ta da . . .

the DustBuster

in case you forgot, Matt . . .
What's under the Dustbuster?

i seriously doubt it will happen again . . . but then ATi might be preparing a surprise . . .

Funny how the fanatics just can't seem to forget nv30 isn't it? evn though most of them had R300's and had no intention of actually purchasing it, even if it was good? No suprise to see such reminiscing occuring in a thread about future nvidia chips either... :disgust:

Even more intersting when the fanatic in question tells us in an earlier post he has no interest in this upcomming gen or cards * or* the refrehses thereof...

you are really not worth talking to

everyone else understands

There is nothing "to understand" appopin. You could discuss g80 without mentioning nv30 at all, or stating any of a number of things that you have in this thread so far, but that's not what yo uare here for is it? So far as I can tell you are filling in for Ackmed...

so now your back to prove you're 100% clueless.
:Q

as i said, everyone else understands

. . . and you are trying to fill in for Rollo . . . too bad . .. you don't have his skills
:thumbsdown:

I fill in for nobody appopin. As I said before, there was NO reason for anyone to bring up nv30 in the context of G80, let alone talk down G80 before it's even released - unless, of course, you are a fanatic (and your post history clearly shows that you are). Tell me, is your B3D persona WaltC by chance? Your mentalities and nv30 fixations match rather closely....

i have absolutely nothing to say to you. . . . you are beyond clueless . . .

everyone ELSE understands the context and why i posted what i did.

i have zero respect for you and owe you nothing.
:thumbsdown:

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I'm personally not interested in DirectX10 as much as I am of the alleged AA improvements.

Will the new GPU still have native DirectX 9 support (not emulated)? What about OpenGL?

Absolutely - it's no different to DX8 cards running DX7 & OpenGL applications without issue.

And HDR+AA and angle independant AF. So there's more G80 potentially offers than the 7xxx series.

 

[CP5670]

Is there actually any leaked information saying that the AF is going to fixed up with the G80? I would expect Nvidia to do it given the flak the 7 series cards have gotten over that issue, but I haven't seen even a rumor or anything suggesting it.

 

[josh6079]

It's not hard to grasp Josh, and I'm not saying you yourself have tried to drag G80 down...

Yes you were:

keep dodging... won't do you or appopin or creig any good...

You included me as someone who was "dragging" G80 down.

but apoppin certainly has (given his posting history and attitude toward nvidia I'd expect nothing less).

Even if he has tried to drag G80 down it is just as valid as trying to say it will blow the doors off of all of the competition since no one knows how it will perform yet. If he's wrong, let Nvidia prove him wrong by releasing it.

Their was plenty of end user hyping for nv30 also. That's not what damaged it. It was nvidia's own hyping and PR that did that.

I will agree that hype from a user base and hype from the vendor are different. However, the hype isn't the factor that makes or breaks a product. What that product can actually do is what does that, the hype is just the baggage that can go with it. I also agree that hype damaged it, but only after it's performance was subpar.

 

[Gstanfor]

Look, anyone expecting either G80 or R600 to dominate DX10 at least as far a standard rendering is concerned is kidding themselves bigtime.

Microsft has defined:
* minimum performance standards
* texture filtering
* floating point formats and rounding rules
* removed the old capbits system - almost nothing is optional and very little is *extra* (for DirectX at least)

If any of the above is missing, then the card is not DX10 compliant pure and simple.

What this means to us, the consumer is you can now pretty much purchase your video card just like you would your x68 processor. No matter what you get, if its labelled DX10 compliant it will be fit for its intended task no matter how its internal architecture may function compared to similar cards.

And that is all that matters.

 

[KristopherKubicki]

I just hope this doesn't happen after the 13th so I can Step-UP

*cough*novembereigth*cough*

 

[m21s]

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki

I just hope this doesn't happen after the 13th so I can Step-UP

*cough*novembereigth*cough*

:thumbsup:

 

[DragonFire]

First I'd like to admit that I didn't read every post, I am a bit to tired for it right now...

Anyways, The G80 is pointless IMO! By the time a true DX10 game comes out Nvidia will have or will be close to coming out with something that is even faster.

Seeing as how much power the G80 needs (two freakin power connectors!), I would think NV and ATI are going to at some point take the same road Intel and AMD are taking with slower clocked dual cores over a single faster core....

Ok, I'm going to bed now. Perhaps I'll edit this once I can think more clearly.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: DragonFire
First I'd like to admit that I didn't read every post, I am a bit to tired for it right now...

Anyways, The G80 is pointless IMO! By the time a true DX10 game comes out Nvidia will have or will be close to coming out with something that is even faster.

Seeing as how much power the G80 needs (two freakin power connectors!), I would think NV and ATI are going to at some point take the same road Intel and AMD are taking with slower clocked dual cores over a single faster core....

Ok, I'm going to bed now. Perhaps I'll edit this once I can think more clearly.

Oh, I don't think G80's going to pull that much power without a reason

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4441

 

[Creig]

Expect GeForce 8800GTX and 8800GTS products to launch the second week of November 2006. This will be a hard launch as most manufacturers should have boards ready now.

Good to hear it will be a hard launch. This should be an interesting core from an architecture standpoint. I'm definitely looking forward to reading detailed specifications and reviews on this one!

But why in the world are they reviving the GTS suffix? The GTX and GT are widely known and respected models. Why not just continue the tradition?

 

[LittleNemoNES]

The tone of this thread turned ugly as soon as Gstanfor reared it's ugly head...

My god, I wish a mod would take notice of your trolling.

Ok, that said:

Looks so sweet. I'm a little worried about power, though...
Will it be even hotter than an x1900xtx?
If this baby gives @ least Crossfire performance, its a win since it supports HDR+AA and HQ AF. I hope to do SLI...but then again, I'll wait to see what ATI does...no one wants to be 1 upped after spending ~$600 - $700 (price?) for a top end card a month or so later.

 

[Skott]

Well, logic would dictate the G80 will beat the 1900XTX. At least I'm thinking that'll be nVidia's aim. By how much if it does? Hard to say. If it dont nVidia is going to be embarassed I'm thinking. I mean why make a G80 if it cant beat the current ATI? Same goes with for anything ATI makes. It needs to go one step further than the current nVidia card at the time of release. As far as DirectX10 goes I'm not all that concerned or excited about it. Without VISTA its nothing to really crow about I'm thinking. Sure, its good to have the cards out and ready before VISTA launches but from my understanding of how it all ties in with VISTA the directX10 part of it isnt huge. I could be wrong though. Time will tell on that.

All these model abbreviations nVidia and ATI are using now does get confusing. GT, GS, GTS, GTO, x, XT, XTX, etc., Plus they tend to overlap each other in certain areas. It can be very confusing. Sales gimmicks in some cases IMO. I like having choices but too many kinda distorts things. And i'm the kind of person that follows these things. I can imagine how the guy that doesnt bother to keep up on whats what, nor wants to, feels when it comes time to buy a card for his rig. if i'm somewhat confused imagine how he/she feels? LOL

 

[Matt2]

G80 will be faster than CF and SLI.

If it's not, Nvidia loses at least one sale.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Matt2
G80 will be faster than CF and SLI.

If it's not, Nvidia loses at least one sale.

Oh, I'm pretty sure the G80 will spank X1950 CF and 7950 Quad SLI http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4450