Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
AEG/nVidia viral marketers and their lackeys need to be banned ASAP. If they're not banned, they need to be called out anytime they try to troll

I'm sure your BS is much better received at Rage3D, keep it there.

No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

You have given no proof of anything different. You call out Rollo for being dishonest yet you bend the truth for your own agenda.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

These are good points. I was asked more than once to report pros and cons, and surprisingly enough asked why I posted the negatives about ATI.

At the time there was a lot of negative stuff to post about ATI, and you haven't seen me post a negative thread about them lately.

Hmmm, could it be ATI has pretty much got their act together and there's nothing to post anymore?

Funny how that works.

My agenda here has always been my own opinions and nothing else. If people in the focus group were directed to flame ATI in their bad times, don't you think the others who've come forward would have been doing so too?

There is no logic in this witch hunt- all we have here are people who don't like my posts, have opted to let it bother them, and are now trying to use this to get me banned.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

I'm sure your BS is much better received at Rage3D, keep it there.

Did I miss the election where you were elected spokesperson for everyone? If you see BS, call it. Or volunteer information that makes you 'sure' so that we may examine it ourselves.

No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

That is SO not the right way of looking at it. This hardware was provided for a completely different purpose than beta testing or development. It was provided by a marketing organization for the purpose of increasing the customer's brand awareness, developing a more positive image in online communities and so on.

Intent matters.

The 'beta testing' part was just gravy, and ammunition for plausible deniability.

You have given no proof of anything different. You call out Rollo for being dishonest yet you bend the truth for your own agenda.

Ok, now this goes way beyond spin. I know you read the posts calling out instances of Rollo lying re: being in AEG when asked point blank and insinuating his hardware purchases are a result of a successful life.

And yeah, b3d is a lovefest because 3/4 of the admited AEGers were positive contributors to the ecosystem. The remaining participants have not revealed themselves, Who knows why, and what the reaction to them will be.

Also, as I mentioned before, AEG is pretty benign as these guys go. At least so far as we know -- they are spinmeisters, Their own agents may not even be aware of the extent of AEG involvement in their communities.</tinfoil>

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Just why is that 5150? You thought I was a pretty great guy for months and months, said yourself just a couple days ago you have a couple 100 PMs with me, and now I need to be "banned ASAP"?

What's up with that? Fair weather friend?

I haven't changed one bit, and now you're on several boards demanding I be banned?

Maybe because the person he thought he knew turned out to be a fraud who lied and misrepresented himself? Just guessing.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: v8envy
Ok, now this goes way beyond spin. I know you read the posts calling out instances of Rollo lying re: being in AEG when asked point blank and insinuating his hardware purchases are a result of a successful life.

Errrr, my 4600+ I bought on this forums FS/FT when they were pretty new tech, my XaserIII/Enermax535, 2X1GB GSKil CAS2, and 22" CRT and Audigy2 I bought new a couple years ago aren't "nVidia reference" aren't exactly bargain basement parts poor people buy? :roll:

How about the Asus X800XT PE I bought last fall?

I buy some pretty decent computer parts dude, and always have.

 

[rise]

And yeah, b3d is a lovefest because 3/4 of the admited AEGers were positive contributors to the ecosystem. The remaining participants have not revealed themselves, Who knows why, and what the reaction to them will be.

what happened to the "overwhelming outpouring of rage"?

and in case you missed it<geo, the thread starter and man who broke the story, had a pretty good idea of what this program involved before even starting the thread. as munky would say, "a little birdie whispered in his eear".

now he, along with the admitted members, would probably have a pretty good idea, certainly better than us, of what the program involved. all of them claim "a handful" of people. people are making this into a whole lot more than it is.

 

[orangat]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I'm sure your BS is much better received at Rage3D, keep it there.

Did I miss the election where you were elected spokesperson for everyone? If you see BS, call it. Or volunteer information that makes you 'sure' so that we may examine it ourselves.

No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.
In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

That is SO not the right way of looking at it. This hardware was provided for a completely different purpose than beta testing or development. It was provided by a marketing organization for the purpose of increasing the customer's brand awareness, developing a more positive image in online communities and so on.

Intent matters.

Exactly. This beta testing nonsense is just a smokescreen for deniability.
And those 'beta testers' can be easily manipulated like the rumours planted by shills about Nvidia fixing the purevideo for 6800 agp cards to stave off customer complaints about the broken feature.

 

[nitromullet]

What's up with that? Fair weather friend?

...yeah, I secretly act as a shill for a firm that specializes in creating marketing buzz to all my friends... because that's what "friends" do...

Do you not realize that the issue here isn't the free hardware or the connection to NV, but the fact that you've kept it a secret, lied about it, and even made fun of people who weren't in a postion to get high end gear (fox and grapes ring any bells?) while you were getting it for FREE? Have you ever considered that maybe you could apologize!?!

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Just why is that 5150? You thought I was a pretty great guy for months and months, said yourself just a couple days ago you have a couple 100 PMs with me, and now I need to be "banned ASAP"?

That's when I was working under the assumption that you were an honest guy and just passionate about video cards. It was after you denied to me over PM that you had any affiliations with AEG and I took your word for it. It was only after the pressure was put on AEG/nVidia that you and other AEG marketers had a "coming out" session across multiple forums in an attempt to spin the truth of what you are - shill marketers that pretend to be your friend in order to influence your opinions. In that regard you succeeded because you had silenced any criticism of your posts that I'd normally have voiced an objection to in many cases.

I haven't changed one bit, and now you're on several boards demanding I be banned?

Read above.

Strange behavior on your part. What does a college student care whether I can post on a message board?

Being a college student is irrelevant. I'm an enthusiast first and foremost on these forums and don't want to see the forums muddled with paid (oops I mean guys "loaned" free hardware) nVidia shills. It was excuseable when I thought you were just a fellow enthusiast, it isn't excusable now that I know who you really are.

I put my cards on the table and didn't have to. Whatever I post here now, people know I may have got that card I'm posting about free or discounted from nVidia, and use that as part of your evaluation of what I say. (I'd say that puts my credibility high on info I say is from nVidia, and the benchmarks anyone can verify with their own hardware or by comparing to other sites)

Of course people are going to question anything you post here no matter how objective you think your information may be. You emphatically denied being an AEG agent publically on these forums and went as far as trying to get people that called you an AEG agent banned. Furthermore, I don't believe you when you say you revealed your affiliation with AEG on your own accord - just too much coincidence with you and 3 other guys admitting to it the same day.

You can't really say that about anyone else here can you? I can guarantee there are people other than me who've been given free products on every forum on the net.

There might be others here that get free products but that is irrelevant. I only go by what I know as fact and the fact is you are an AEG/nVidia agent. I don't know about others yet but if/when I do, I'll ask for their ban as well regardless of which video card company they represent.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: v8envy
Intent matters.

^^^^^^^^^

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

Nobody ever said they were paid cash. They were given free hardwware. That IS a form of payment.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
AEG/nVidia viral marketers and their lackeys need to be banned ASAP. If they're not banned, they need to be called out anytime they try to troll

I'm sure your BS is much better received at Rage3D, keep it there.

No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

You have given no proof of anything different. You call out Rollo for being dishonest yet you bend the truth for your own agenda.

Wreckage, who elected you spokesman of AT? The overwhelming opinion here has been in favor of banning Rollo and any other AEG/nVidia shills discovered on these forums. Your bias in this regard is irrelevant and if it bothers you so much, head on over to nVNews and have them comfort you.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I'm sure your BS is much better received at Rage3D, keep it there.

No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

You have given no proof of anything different. You call out Rollo for being dishonest yet you bend the truth for your own agenda.

Wreckage, who elected you spokesman of AT? The overwhelming opinion here has been in favor of banning Rollo and any other AEG/nVidia shills discovered on these forums. Your bias in this regard is irrelevant and if it bothers you so much, head on over to nVNews and have them comfort you.

Its funny to watch him now. (along with Rollo)

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I'm sure your BS is much better received at Rage3D, keep it there.

No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

You have given no proof of anything different. You call out Rollo for being dishonest yet you bend the truth for your own agenda.

Wreckage, who elected you spokesman of AT? The overwhelming opinion here has been in favor of banning Rollo and any other AEG/nVidia shills discovered on these forums. Your bias in this regard is irrelevant and if it bothers you so much, head on over to nVNews and have them comfort you.

Its funny to watch him now. (along with Rollo)

Well Wreckage has already admitted publicly that he's a troll. He said, "I post the way I do to piss off ATi fanboys".

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Have you ever considered that maybe you could apologize!?!

I've been waiting to see if he would apologize. Not necessarily to everyone here. I certainly don't expect him to apologize to me. But at the very least, to the people that defended him. As far as I know, he hasn't made even the slightest attempt at an apology. In fact he doesn't seem to have a shred of remorse for his lies and deceit.

Edit: spelling

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Wreckage, who elected you spokesman of AT? The overwhelming opinion here has been in favor of banning Rollo and any other AEG/nVidia shills discovered on these forums. Your bias in this regard is irrelevant and if it bothers you so much, head on over to nVNews and have them comfort you.

I don't see "AT Spokesman" in your titlte either :roll:

Your claims of bias are just the pot calling the kettle black. I don't even have an account at nV news while your 2000+ post at Rage3D are proof enough of where you are coming from

The AT Mods are working on their own solution and yet you continue on "bumping" the thread.

I have yet to see any proof of AEG members doing anything wrong (other than Rollo not being upfront about it). On Beyond3D it's not a problem because they limit trolling. Here trolls are allowed free reign.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
In fact he doesn't seem to have a shred of remorse for his lies and deceit.

I'm sure years of therapy will heal your shattered world. :roll:

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I have yet to see any proof of AEG members doing anything wrong (other than Rollo not being upfront about it).

Anybody else see the self-contradiction?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I'm sure your BS is much better received at Rage3D, keep it there.

No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

You have given no proof of anything different. You call out Rollo for being dishonest yet you bend the truth for your own agenda.

Wreckage, who elected you spokesman of AT? The overwhelming opinion here has been in favor of banning Rollo and any other AEG/nVidia shills discovered on these forums. Your bias in this regard is irrelevant and if it bothers you so much, head on over to nVNews and have them comfort you.

Its funny to watch him now. (along with Rollo)

Well Wreckage has already admitted publicly that he's a troll. He said, "I post the way I do to piss off ATi fanboys".

If doing that would fend off fanboys like yourself, I'd be glad to be one too. The fact is, it does not matter if Rollo or anyone works for Nvidia or Ati, I don't base my purchase decision on what anyone says in the forum.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: beggerking
If doing that would fend off fanboys like yourself, I'd be glad to be one too.

lol, 5150 calls as he sees it. If I remember correctly he used to bash ATI when X1800 was late and not as spectacular. Then the nv gang cozied upto him and treated him like a "brother". And now the same people are accusing him, flip-flop ...

Originally posted by: beggerking
The fact is, it does not matter if Rollo or anyone works for Nvidia or Ati, I don't base my purchase decision on what anyone says in the forum.

Good for you, doesnt mean xyz companies can filtrate these forums and use it for their (free) advertising violating the rules of the forums.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Wreckage, who elected you spokesman of AT? The overwhelming opinion here has been in favor of banning Rollo and any other AEG/nVidia shills discovered on these forums. Your bias in this regard is irrelevant and if it bothers you so much, head on over to nVNews and have them comfort you.

I don't see "AT Spokesman" in your titlte either :roll:

Your claims of bias are just the pot calling the kettle black. I don't even have an account at nV news while your 2000+ post at Rage3D are proof enough of where you are coming from

The AT Mods are working on their own solution and yet you continue on "bumping" the thread.

I have yet to see any proof of AEG members doing anything wrong (other than Rollo not being upfront about it). On Beyond3D it's not a problem because they limit trolling. Here trolls are allowed free reign.

You keep bringing up Rage3D, what relevance does that have with AEG viral marketers? I'm not a marketer, if I have a biased opinion (which I don't) it doesn't matter either way because I'm not gaining something from skewing peoples opinions of a product. This thread will continue to get bumped whether you like it or not - I know it makes you feel uncomfortable to have a bad light shined on nVidia and their shill marketers but nothing you say or do will change that. Those of us that care about this issue (the overwhelming majority thus far) won't simply let this issue fade away without resolution.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: ronnn
Have lost track of all this. Has there been any resolution or just business as usual?

Just like everywhere else no one cares, because it's no big deal.

A couple of one sided individuals have been trying (unsuccessfully) to blow this out of proportion.

Even someone who has no interest in video cards can read through this thread and see that's it's mostly just BS.

If Rollo and a handful of anti-nvidia zealots were not on this forum this thread would not have gone past 2 pages.

Oh you read it quite different than me. I thougt this was mainly a gathering of fanboys and non fanboys that have two things in common. A dislike of liars who misrepresent themselves and a deeper dislike of Rollo and his non stop trolling (sociopath was not that far off). But I see as expected we are to be disapointed and he is still here. Too bad as could be a good vid forum here with lively disagreement. See you guys when I am feeling dumb again. :beer:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I'm sure your BS is much better received at Rage3D, keep it there.

No where was it stated that people must post good things in order to get paid.

In fact no one got paid. They got demo hardware and software, same as any beta tester or developer.

You have given no proof of anything different. You call out Rollo for being dishonest yet you bend the truth for your own agenda.

Wreckage, who elected you spokesman of AT? The overwhelming opinion here has been in favor of banning Rollo and any other AEG/nVidia shills discovered on these forums. Your bias in this regard is irrelevant and if it bothers you so much, head on over to nVNews and have them comfort you.

Its funny to watch him now. (along with Rollo)

Well Wreckage has already admitted publicly that he's a troll. He said, "I post the way I do to piss off ATi fanboys".

If doing that would fend off fanboys like yourself, I'd be glad to be one too.

I'm glad you finally recognize what the rest of us perceive you to be - a troll.

 

[nitromullet]

If doing that would fend off fanboys like yourself, I'd be glad to be one too. The fact is, it does not matter if Rollo or anyone works for Nvidia or Ati, I don't base my purchase decision on what anyone says in the forum.

I keep hearing this, yet nvidia themselves have claimed that their program with AEG has been very successful. If these moles didn't have an effect, than how could the program be a success?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
It was only after the pressure was put on AEG/nVidia that you and other AEG marketers had a "coming out" session across multiple forums in an attempt to spin the truth of what you are - shill marketers that pretend to be your friend in order to influence your opinions. In that regard you succeeded because you had silenced any criticism of your posts that I'd normally voiced an objection to in many cases.

1. I would never solicit someone's friendship for any reason other than I enjoyed conversing with the person.
2. I could care less if you criticized my posts, and you did, and if you look at your PMs you'll see where I said "I don't care if you criticize my posts. We can disagree like gentlemen rather than flaming each other like some of the others here"? Not two weeks ago?
3. Dude I would NEVER screw around with people's lives for something as meaningless as a few video cards? I can't even think of something that WOULD make me screw around with people's lives, but it for sure wouldn't be over some free parts for my box I could buy anyway. Christ, I paid off my boat last week. The income that alone frees up could buy me multiple SLI sets a year.

Being a college student is irrelevant. I'm an enthusiast first and foremost on these forums and don't want to see the forums muddled with paid nVidia shills. It was excuseable when I thought you were just a fellow enthusiast, it isn't excusable now that I know who you really are.

I'm an enthusiast, like yourself, who was offered the chance to get some inside info, beta software, and engineering samples. What was asked of me in return is that I provide feedback on the beta drivers, and use the stuff and post what I thought of it. (and even that was phrased "if you want to")
The only ethical question I've ever had with this is the not revealing some of the stuff was free.

Of course people are going to question anything you post here. You emphatically denied being an AEG agent publically on these forums and went as far as trying to get people that called you an AEG agent banned. Furthermore, I don't believe you when you say you revealed your affiliation with AEG on your own accord - just too muc coincidence with you and 3 other guys admitting to it the same day.

I did it for two reasons: 1. I was sick of it being an issue. 2. Chris Ray gave me the idea by setting the example. Chris and the other guys are tight, I imagine they came out in support of Chris. If we were told to, why didn't the other two come out?

There might be others here that get free products but that is irrelevant. I only go by what I know as fact and the fact is you are an AEG/nVidia agent. I don't know about others yet but if/when I do, I'll ask for their ban as well regardless of which company they represent.

I'm not an "agent" of anything. I'm a guy who made it into a focus group for products, and went about his business. The only thing that changed in my posting as a result of the experience is the benchmarks I posted. When I saw Chris Rays nice reviews at nVNews, I decided to post benches as well.

Nitromullet is right:

I do owe the board and some of my friends here an apology. I am sorry I withheld the fact that I got some free parts from AEG.

At the time I didn't think it mattered where I got the parts as I don't consider myself as anything other than a person in a company sponsored user group.

I don't fully understand why some you think it is a big deal, but I apologize for any feelings of betrayal my "white lie" engendered.

I meant no harm, and would never "pretend' to be someone's friend for material gain.