Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Janooo
Ronin,

nothing personal, only observation. Seriously.

When I read the Xbit article they said that pro NV guys are "a way more aggressive in the forums". It fits you. I wouldn't be suprised if you were in "the group".

Ronin has no need of "the group". He gets far more hardware and software than we do.

I does not have to be about HW all the time.

Well, it's not for Ronin at all.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Janooo
Ronin,

nothing personal, only observation. Seriously.

When I read the Xbit article they said that pro NV guys are "a way more aggressive in the forums". It fits you. I wouldn't be suprised if you were in "the group".

Sounds like those Xbit guys need to pay Anandtech video forum a visit.

Actually I said the exactly same thing before Xbit, I doubt they'd find anything different.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
God, you're the epitome of horse blinders. Believe what you want. The memory usage is horrendous, and you refuse to admit it. That's just plain silly. Read through your sad little thread again and see several people telling you that the difference is easily noticeable.

I don't need people telling me anything. You tried trolling by posting loading peak memory usage (which lasts about 1-2 secs) as standard for CCC and got caught. But what else would I expect from someone that gets welfare cards from nVidia, works for nVidia's partner Sony and moderates nVidia's nZone forums.

Well, CCC is bad for its size. I don't see how you can say its not that bad when It stays in the back ground and will have an impact on performance. Yes, I have proved in the thread that it does uses unnecessary memory(physical) and increase load time in games because it is actually working when it stays in memory. I don't understand why you wouldn't just tell people to use ATI tool which is much more elegant.

It's because he's committed now. He put his neck out there and won't back down. He'll take it to his grave most likely. Yes, I said I wouldn't post in this thread again, but could not resist

P.S. I am absolutely amazed that this thread hasn't been locked.

Why would you want to lock the only thread in the entire forum that is addressing the issue? With such a hot topic, you're going to get some flaming, it's the natue of the incident. Personally, I don't see how this is over with 2 members still undisclosed and active within the community, projecting themselves as mere enthusiasts.

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Just a quick question, has Rollo admited to being associated with AEG

Yes.

Why is he not banned?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
God, you're the epitome of horse blinders. Believe what you want. The memory usage is horrendous, and you refuse to admit it. That's just plain silly. Read through your sad little thread again and see several people telling you that the difference is easily noticeable.

I don't need people telling me anything. You tried trolling by posting loading peak memory usage (which lasts about 1-2 secs) as standard for CCC and got caught. But what else would I expect from someone that gets welfare cards from nVidia, works for nVidia's partner Sony and moderates nVidia's nZone forums.

Well, CCC is bad for its size. I don't see how you can say its not that bad when It stays in the back ground and will have an impact on performance. Yes, I have proved in the thread that it does uses unnecessary memory(physical) and increase load time in games because it is actually working when it stays in memory. I don't understand why you wouldn't just tell people to use ATI tool which is much more elegant.

It's because he's committed now. He put his neck out there and won't back down. He'll take it to his grave most likely. Yes, I said I wouldn't post in this thread again, but could not resist

P.S. I am absolutely amazed that this thread hasn't been locked.

Why would you want to lock the only thread in the entire forum that is addressing the issue? With such a hot topic, you're going to get some flaming, it's the natue of the incident. Personally, I don't see how this is over with 2 members still undisclosed and active within the community, projecting themselves as mere enthusiasts.

Did I say I wanted it locked? Just that I am amazed it hasn't been. 9/10ths of this thread is on fire and it is getting pretty large.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Just a quick question, has Rollo admited to being associated with AEG

Yes.

Why is he not banned?

pm a mod and ask.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Just a quick question, has Rollo admited to being associated with AEG

Yes.

Why is he not banned?

the mods answered in FI and say they have not reached a decision yet:

The next person to start a thread in FI about the AEG issue will be banned from the forums until it's resolution. We are working on the situation.

Please be patient.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Just a quick question, has Rollo admited to being associated with AEG

Yes.

Why is he not banned?

I'm a darn nice guy?


My guesses:
1. No specific policy against user groups, which are probably fairly common. I've known of several people over the years who have received free hardware.

2. Opens the floodgates for 8,098,123 PMs "I know this guy must be a shill- look what he said!"

3. How can you tell who is in the groups, unless they come forward like I did?

4. Banning people in hardware developer's user groups when they also provide your site with it's engineering samples has got to strain relations at best.

It's probably not as easy of a question as "These 50 ATI fans want this guy gone because he wasn't 100% forthright about his connections".

 

[apoppin]

in that case . . . i think someone is in for a nasty surprise

and #4 is probably 'why' it's taking so long

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: apoppin
in that case . . . i think someone is in for a nasty surprise

and #4 is probably 'why' it's taking so long

Is it a hardware developer user group or a hardware developers marketing group?

I can't imagine Nvidia would stop the flow of test samples to Anandtech for the banning of one rabid, out of control, marketing rep.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
in that case . . . i think someone is in for a nasty surprise

and #4 is probably 'why' it's taking so long

You are a sad man Apoppin.

Someone at your stage of life should have better things to worry about than whether I get "banned" from a website or not.

You seem to think it would be some "great victory" if I were off AT or out of the focus group.

What would you have won? I'd just buy the parts and post elsewhere.

In other words, I'd still be me, and you'd still be you.

Something to think about.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
1. No specific policy against user groups, which are probably fairly common. I've known of several people over the years who have received free hardware.

AEG is not a user group, it's a PR Marketing firm whose goals include seeding message boards with people who mirror their sponsoring company's viewpoints.

Originally posted by: Rollo
3. How can you tell who is in the groups, unless they come forward like I did?

Well, that's at least one we know to get rid of. Hopefully the rest can either be sniffed out or will leave on their own.

Originally posted by: Rollo
4. Banning people in hardware developer's user groups when they also provide your site with it's engineering samples has got to strain relations at best.

Again, AEG is not a "hardware developer's user group". It's a PR Marketing firm whose only goal is to increase the sales figures of their employer. And besides, unless nVidia doesn't want one of the largest online hardware websites to review only ATI products, I highly doubt nVidia would break off connections simply because a couple of people employed by one of their hired PR firms got kicked out. You aren't THAT important to nVidia.

Originally posted by: Rollo
It's probably not as easy of a question as "These 50 ATI fans want this guy gone because he wasn't 100% forthright about his connections".

I see quite a few nVidia fans who're just as upset as ATI fans that AEG has slipped at least one of their employees into our midst. This goes beyond ATI vs nVidia.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: beggerking

that just proves how everyone see his ATI fanboism.

You are such the tool. I have chastised ArchAngel777 in the past for being mean to deluded ATI fanboys. He knows it and I know it. Your powers of observation also need some work. Do you really think an ATI fanboy is going to spring for a 7800GTX?

Folks, on the OT subject that has crept in, CCC with the ATI drivers and the ATI WDM driver are <25MB on my system. Can't figure out where 70MB came from unless someone added .Net to the mix. I need .Net for other things too, so I already had it loaded. In fact, that makes sense. I bet the original report of 70MB included the .Net executables. That would be a little over-reporting. Most of you may not need it, but I do for Visual Studio and Expression.

Yes he has chastised me in the past... It was well received though... Sometimes we need to be told were over the line in order to get back inline.

 

[M0RPH]

You need to get your story straight, Rollo. They must have told you what they wanted you to call it in their recent damage control email. So which one is it? Beta testing program, hardware developer user group, or focus group?

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
You need to get your story straight, Rollo. They must have told you what they wanted you to call it in their recent damage control email. So which one is it? Beta testing program, hardware developer user group, or focus group?

A sellout.....

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig
And besides, unless nVidia doesn't want one of the largest online hardware websites to review only ATI products, I highly doubt nVidia would break off connections simply because a couple of people employed by one of their hired PR firms got kicked out. You aren't THAT important to nVidia.

For the first time in a long time, we agree. I don't think I'm "important" to nVidia at all.

My point was that usually people who do business together don't make off the cuff decisions that may look like they disaprove of each others business model- it just isn;t done.

For AT to make a quick blanket statement "We ban all nVidia user group members from our forums because we question the ethics of the group" likely isn't going to happen.

A question of business courtesy, has nothing to do with me.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
in that case . . . i think someone is in for a nasty surprise

and #4 is probably 'why' it's taking so long

You are a sad man Apoppin.

Someone at your stage of life should have better things to worry about than whether I get "banned" from a website or not.

You seem to think it would be some "great victory" if I were off AT or out of the focus group.

What would you have won? I'd just buy the parts and post elsewhere.

In other words, I'd still be me, and you'd still be you.

Something to think about.

What "stage" am i at, according to Rollo? . . . not a bit sad . . .

and why would you think i am "worried" if you are banned or not . . . i am not.

You have been 'outed' and that is sufficient for me. You are proved to be NOT "fair and balanced" but impossibly unfair and unbalanced . . . a genuine marketer with a zeal many companies would love to have promoting them.

i absolutely trust Anand to balance the needs of this Forum with his relationship with nVidia - on the advice of his lawyers - and make the right decision.

Whatever they decide is fine with me. i do not know all the details of your programme but i suspect that your involvement is even deeper . . . so 'politics' are involved.

From your reply, i guess you are the lead person in your focus group . . . how did the 'experiment' go? i can't imagine you guys disassemblying it just cause you were careless.

nVidia is committed to Viral/Guerella Marketing . . . it is already in-house and i imagine the "AEG end" of it will get shut down when the contract expires. Logic would dictate you simply 'go underground' create a new alter-ego - of course learning from your mistakes - and return to the forums. . . .

. . . But Rollo is gone forever [don't use Ollor]


so there is no "great victory" [this ain't the Return of the King]

just a tiny strike for truth and honesty

and as your conscience is callused, of course you don't mind . . . but you DID let your company down rather badly and helped give them a black eye in the press.

i'd hate to do that to my company

 

[thilanliyan]

edited: dont wanna keep continuing the arguing.

 

[nRollo]

Yep, it's "crazy talk" alright thilan29. A guy would have to be NUTS to buy a 512 GTX, use it a month, and sell it at a profit before choosing between the X1900XTX and a 7900GTX.

Making money is stupid, it's always better to buy things that depreciate instantly, because everyone is too wealthy these days.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
For AT to make a quick blanket statement "We ban all nVidia user group members from our forums because we question the ethics of the group" likely isn't going to happen.

forums.nvidia.com is an nVidia user group, AEG is a PR Marketing firm. There's a BIIIIGGGGG difference between the two.

 

[BFG10K]

What would you have won? I'd just buy the parts and post elsewhere.

It sounds to me like you answered your own question.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yep, it's "crazy talk" alright thilan29. A guy would have to be NUTS to buy a 512 GTX, use it a month, and sell it at a profit before choosing between the X1900XTX and a 7900GTX.

Making money is stupid, it's always better to buy things that depreciate instantly, because everyone is too wealthy these days.

Do you really think you could sell a GTX512 for profit ONCE the 7900 comes out? Would YOU buy a GTX 512 AFTER the 7900 came out?

That thread was started right after the X1900 came out and he was asking which card to choose for gaming...not for taking a risk in HOPING that it will sell for more.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yep, it's "crazy talk" alright thilan29. A guy would have to be NUTS to buy a 512 GTX, use it a month, and sell it at a profit before choosing between the X1900XTX and a 7900GTX.

Making money is stupid, it's always better to buy things that depreciate instantly, because everyone is too wealthy these days.

Do you really think you could sell a GTX512 for profit ONCE the 7900 comes out? Would YOU buy a GTX 512 AFTER the 7900 came out?

That thread was started right after the X1900 came out and he was asking which card to choose for gaming...not for taking a risk in HOPING that it will sell for more.

I can tell you that four sold in the last four days on Ebay for between $739 - $830..

The point was that if he wanted to see what the 7900GTX was, and he needed a gaming card for the interim, the 512 GTX was likely a more stable investment that he could sell prior to 7900 launch.

Nothing more.

 

[Matt2]

When will the madness end!?

Arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: Matt2
When will the madness end!?

Arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

1000 replies and counting...far from ending...

edit: 999..and counting