Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Rollo sounds like he might be a Big Dog Shill so he's gonna be hard to slay but he's gonna fall hard.

LOL- yeah I'm the mastermind of the whole group and the fallout of this will have profound effects on my life. :roll:

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Does it really matter if Rollo gets banned? Every new post, every reply he makes will be shot down with answers that will be linked to this post. The damage is already done, he no longer has any legitimacy in these forums. Banning him will not change his status here. It is already ruined.

I'd think my credibility would go up from this.

My benchmarks were always verifiable, and now you have a lot more reason to believe any info I give you about nVidia products comes from nVidia.

you are living in a fantasy world if you believe ANYONE but the most naive would believe you . . . now . . . you have a well-established pattern of abusing other members from the first day you joined ATF
:thumbsdown:

Who lead the AEG focus group, Rollo? You?

LOL.
Yes I am the criminal mastermind guiding the six of us as we change the face of the internet as you know it, making it a hostile concentration camp where no thoughts other than happy dreams of nVidia are permitted.

:roll:

I think the other guys would laugh hard at your post, my flamboyant ways have never been appreciated by the rest.

As I said earlier, we don't all have to be politically correct clones spouting all sides of every issue.

We're allowed opinions, and my not changing my style of posting for this user group is an indication of my conviction.

If they want me post happy thoughts of nVidia only, they should throw me out now, because I plan to keep posting what I think of all video cards in the fashion I have been.

If they throw me out, and if AT throws me out, I'll keep posting in the same fashion on another board as I have done for the last 10 years.

People who try to control freedom of speech because they don't like what you say anger me.

I usually stay out of the flame fests on the video forum (great reading, ). Anyway, you mention 6 AEG members in your focus group. I know some have come out on other forums. Without naming names, would you share if there are any other AEG members on the AT forums??

 

[geo1]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
For AT to make a quick blanket statement "We ban all nVidia user group members from our forums because we question the ethics of the group" likely isn't going to happen.

forums.nvidia.com is an nVidia user group, AEG is a PR Marketing firm. There's a BIIIIGGGGG difference between the two.

lol, Rollo's trying very hard to spin this like Nvidia's going to be upset if these members get kicked out of AT forums. Its not Nvidia's headache if AT decides to out you guys Rollo, its AEGs. You know where your bone comes from ...

As usual, you make no sense whatsoever.

I already posted in this thread that nVidia likely does not care about me at all, that my point was about business courtesy and showing disapproval for your business partner's business practices.

AT can't "out us guys"- I "outted" myself and last I checked AT isn't part of the focus group to be in a position to advertise who other members are.

You should change your name to "crazyspeakdingo" because you seldom make much sense or read what others have said. Or you just don't understand.

My guess is that you are a child who only wants to say what he wants to say, irregardless of the facts.

If you want to live in some fantasy world where AT mods can send emails to $2 billion dollar corporations that say "We disapprove of your user group! We demand a list of members so we can ban them and publish their names for all to see!" you go right ahead.

:roll:

Ah, okay, that's the kind of clarification I was looking for. In general, yes. Re you specifically (which I took to be the original context)? Not necessarily. Actually, even in the generic case I wouldn't think it would be a problem to make some changes without threatening the relationship. So long as it was applied even-handedly to all IHV. Tho if I was running things I'd just make it a requirement to disclose (as you've now done in your sig), rather than a generic ban against any members of such participating here. But then I've always been for transperancy here anyway, rather than ending the program. I can't say it enough --NV gets to have a community outreach program, and we should welcome it so long as it has reasonable transparency to allow the community to interact with it in a knowledgeable way.

But then that's all about the generic case, and I don't see any need to think that your own case will be determined one way or another by the generic rules they come up with (or don't, for that matter).

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Nirach

Originally posted by: Genx87
So I have read about 9 pages of this witchhunt. Did I miss the part about the actual proof?

There is some nestled away somewhere, yeah.

I say nestled.

You have to look through page after page of flame on flame to find it.

lmao I'll pass.

it's in his sig, sort of. but here is when it happened. Text

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Rollo sounds like he might be a Big Dog Shill so he's gonna be hard to slay but he's gonna fall hard.

LOL- yeah I'm the mastermind of the whole group and the fallout of this will have profound effects on my life. :roll:

it already is otherwise you wouldn't be in anandtech forum for hrs ends... trying to do damage control. Move on and look to a new feature because you don't have one here anandtech's Video forum community just wants you gone

Get the message :! be gone now because you have turned into a flame fest object

 

[Conky]

:laugh:

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Rollo sounds like he might be a Big Dog Shill so he's gonna be hard to slay but he's gonna fall hard.

LOL- yeah I'm the mastermind of the whole group and the fallout of this will have profound effects on my life. :roll:

It will definitely affect your lying ass, you will have to spread your mis-information on other websites.

are you sure you don't want to bring the racist thing up again?

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
Mottion to add a poll on Rollo's fate:

1. Make him a mod (after all, he claimed to be fair and balanced)
2. Give him a vacation - a few weeks will make him see his wrongful ways
3. Ban him forever (asta la vista baby)
4. Sue him for fraud

Yeap, make a poll!

I personally dont think its fair to perma ban him.
I recommend a 3+ month Video forum ban only, to mend the error of his ways, and ensure that while on this AEG thing, he cannot do any damage.
After 3 months hopefully Nvidia will drop him as he's not actually able to post on the video forums.

Thtas what I'd suggest anyway. Not a perma ban, not for someone who's been with these forums for so long.

To heck with that idea. I have seen perma-bans handed out to people who spammed a lot less than Rollo and were here longer... and were actually like a million times cooler. :laugh: It's totally fair to ban him! :beer:

Rollo should, at minimum, be forced to use the "black guy" avatar but only because he is about as honest and forthright as the usual "free Ipod" spammer who uses that default avatar.

If the mods allow this racist BS to stand, you have a REAL problem here.

FYI- black people are not dishonest.

Rollo doesn't like black people.

He sent me a message(that any mod is more than welcome to read) and then didn't wanna hear my answer.

Can't say my opinion is changed one way or the other to tell you the truth.

 

[Ackmed]

I dont think its happenstance that all admitted AEG members have a NV bias. That in itself, is enough proof to me.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: John Reynolds
Good post, Pete. Gotta' love Rollo's veiled threat against Anand that the site may be cut off from review samples from NVIDIA if they ban little ole' Rollo. Who, you know, isn't important to NVIDIA.

You really need to get over yourself and your bizarre ideas that somehow the post of opinions in video card forums have any bearing IRL. :laugh:

You quoted me out of context- I say in at least two other posts I don't think that I personally am of any importance to nVidia (Pete's assertions that I influence millions notwithstanding) and that I made that statement as a general propostion of business principle. Presumably you have a job beyond writing for a small SIM review site, so presumably you're aware business partners don't make negative public statements of opinion about business partners without consideration of the issue.
If you disagree with this, find some vendor that gives you preferential treatment at your real job. (good pricing, whatever) Then find something you don't like about a facet of their business. (e.g. no sick leave or pension) Post about it on the web, then send a link to your boss and the vendor.
Does that help you understand this simple concept John? :roll:
Go ahead feel free to post "Yeah? yeah? well some other guys in the group don't like you! Nyah!" like last time. :roll:

You guys vehemently defending Rollo and his universal right to viral marketing: would you be reacting the same if the situation were reversed, if some ATI fanboy came out as being a member of a marketing scheme like this? I highly, highly doubt it.

Are you a viral marketer John? You asked me for admittance to the group via PM? You don't show in your signature on sites like this one you receive free parts from Intel and AMD, yet the onyl site you free lance write for is SIMHQ and most people don't even know about that? And what do CPUs have to do with SIM reviews anyway? Should we be afraid you're just trying to convince us of your cpu choices based on who has the better gift in any forum you make a comment about your FX57 where you don't note you got it free?

Questions.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
Mottion to add a poll on Rollo's fate:

1. Make him a mod (after all, he claimed to be fair and balanced)
2. Give him a vacation - a few weeks will make him see his wrongful ways
3. Ban him forever (asta la vista baby)
4. Sue him for fraud

Yeap, make a poll!

I personally dont think its fair to perma ban him.
I recommend a 3+ month Video forum ban only, to mend the error of his ways, and ensure that while on this AEG thing, he cannot do any damage.
After 3 months hopefully Nvidia will drop him as he's not actually able to post on the video forums.

Thtas what I'd suggest anyway. Not a perma ban, not for someone who's been with these forums for so long.

To heck with that idea. I have seen perma-bans handed out to people who spammed a lot less than Rollo and were here longer... and were actually like a million times cooler. :laugh: It's totally fair to ban him! :beer:

Rollo should, at minimum, be forced to use the "black guy" avatar but only because he is about as honest and forthright as the usual "free Ipod" spammer who uses that default avatar.

If the mods allow this racist BS to stand, you have a REAL problem here.

FYI- black people are not dishonest.

Rollo doesn't like black people.

He sent me a message(that any mod is more than welcome to read) and then didn't wanna hear my answer.

Can't say my opinion is changed one way or the other to tell you the truth.

Could you drop the racist thing?

It's bad enough something got said in the first place, but your repeated posts about it, even when nobody but you seems to care doesnt help the situation AT ALL.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont think its happenstance that all admitted AEG members have a NV bias. That in itself, is enough proof to me.

It's only proof they don't want to waste their time with ATI fanboys?

Why would they ask someone like you- who's literally on every forum on the web, all hours of the day, every day, promoting ATI even while owning nVidia parts, to try out their beta software and high end products?


They'd only get the negatives? At least with people who've shown a preference for their products they have a chance for some honest feedback?

 

[nRollo]

I am done with this thread

I have stated my position on AEG, apologized for only partial disclosure of my ties to nVidia, and feel I owe the board nothing else in this matter.

If AT bans me, fine, I'll chat about hardware elsewhere. I don't really care what any members opinion is of whether I should post here, as I'm sure they don't care about mine.

This thread has turned into a giant waste of time and bandwidth, I have better things to do.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: schtuga

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
in that case . . . i think someone is in for a nasty surprise

and #4 is probably 'why' it's taking so long

You are a sad man Apoppin.

Someone at your stage of life should have better things to worry about than whether I get "banned" from a website or not.

You seem to think it would be some "great victory" if I were off AT or out of the focus group.

What would you have won? I'd just buy the parts and post elsewhere.

In other words, I'd still be me, and you'd still be you.

Something to think about.

What "stage" am i at, according to Rollo? . . . not a bit sad . . .

and why would you think i am "worried" if you are banned or not . . . i am not.

You have been 'outed' and that is sufficient for me. You are proved to be NOT "fair and balanced" but impossibly unfair and unbalanced . . . a genuine marketer with a zeal many companies would love to have promoting them.

i absolutely trust Anand to balance the needs of this Forum with his relationship with nVidia - on the advice of his lawyers - and make the right decision.

Whatever they decide is fine with me. i do not know all the details of your programme but i suspect that your involvement is even deeper . . . so 'politics' are involved.

From your reply, i guess you are the lead person in your focus group . . . how did the 'experiment' go? i can't imagine you guys disassemblying it just cause you were careless.

nVidia is committed to Viral/Guerella Marketing . . . it is already in-house and i imagine the "AEG end" of it will get shut down when the contract expires. Logic would dictate you simply 'go underground' create a new alter-ego - of course learning from your mistakes - and return to the forums. . . .

. . . But Rollo is gone forever [don't use Ollor]


so there is no "great victory" [this ain't the Return of the King]

just a tiny strike for truth and honesty

and as your conscience is callused, of course you don't mind . . . but you DID let your company down rather badly and helped give them a black eye in the press.

i'd hate to do that to my company

No it is sad.Sad that you and the 5 or 6 main people in your lynch mob,have started several threads on one simple topic.

There has been very little thoughtful discussion on it,whether they have been doing anything illegal,how can they change this so the community would favor it.
No,you are using this as the excuse because of your jealousy/great dislike,for Rollo,to have him ousted.

If the video forum is the most important thing in your life(and judging by the 50 pages and countless posts by you and your lynch mob)then yes it is indeed sad.

Get a life.

and you are defending a self-admitted troll . . . obviously someone you worship

beyond sad

get a life yourself



again it amazes me that Rollo has done so much PRdamage to the company he loves . . .

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo
At least with people who've shown a preference for their products they have a chance for some honest feedback?

sure

you are the epitome of honesty
:roll:
=================

Originally posted by: Rollo
I am done with this thread

I have stated my position on AEG, apologized for only partial disclosure of my ties to nVidia, and feel I owe the board nothing else in this matter.

If AT bans me, fine, I'll chat about hardware elsewhere. I don't really care what any members opinion is of whether I should post here, as I'm sure they don't care about mine.

This thread has turned into a giant waste of time and bandwidth, I have better things to do.

Good riddence! No one but your admirers will miss you, Spin.

what "apology"?

You stated MANY times you feel you owe this board NOTHING - e.g. even after you PROMISED a Pacific Fighters Review . . . broken promises from you are nothing new.

You are right about the majority NOT caring about your twisted opinion . . . anymore.

A waste of time? . .. . not if you leave.

better things to do? you wasted years here and ultimately you let nVidia down

Miss you . . . not





aloha

 

[Matt2]

This AEG thing is quite disappointing, but definately not enough to make me stop buying Nvidia products.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
Mottion to add a poll on Rollo's fate:

1. Make him a mod (after all, he claimed to be fair and balanced)
2. Give him a vacation - a few weeks will make him see his wrongful ways
3. Ban him forever (asta la vista baby)
4. Sue him for fraud

Yeap, make a poll!

I personally dont think its fair to perma ban him.
I recommend a 3+ month Video forum ban only, to mend the error of his ways, and ensure that while on this AEG thing, he cannot do any damage.
After 3 months hopefully Nvidia will drop him as he's not actually able to post on the video forums.

Thtas what I'd suggest anyway. Not a perma ban, not for someone who's been with these forums for so long.

To heck with that idea. I have seen perma-bans handed out to people who spammed a lot less than Rollo and were here longer... and were actually like a million times cooler. :laugh: It's totally fair to ban him! :beer:

Rollo should, at minimum, be forced to use the "black guy" avatar but only because he is about as honest and forthright as the usual "free Ipod" spammer who uses that default avatar.

If the mods allow this racist BS to stand, you have a REAL problem here.

FYI- black people are not dishonest.

Rollo doesn't like black people.

He sent me a message(that any mod is more than welcome to read) and then didn't wanna hear my answer.

Can't say my opinion is changed one way or the other to tell you the truth.

Could you drop the racist thing?

It's bad enough something got said in the first place, but your repeated posts about it, even when nobody but you seems to care doesnt help the situation AT ALL.

Do you support Rollo even when he brings race into something like this in a desperate attempt to once again deflect peoples attention from the main issue. That being that he is a well compensated viral marketer forced on our forum.

He claims he is giving up on this thread but something tells me this guy is like a bad penny that you try to spend only to get it back in change the next time you buy anything.

Personally, seeing him saying "he is done with this thread" means he feels he has to start working the other threads for his employer.

I still vote ban because I can't stand multi-layer lies. I'm still tryin to make the jump from beta tester to product fondler or whatever the last lie was.

 

[schtuga]

I was waiting for your well thought out reply.

If this was asus doing it in the motherboard section,the discussion would be done by now.
But because it's nvidia/video AND Rollo is all the justification you need to take it to the highest level.

He has been posting the same way forever,if the mods didn't feel he should be permanantly banned for what he posts,why should they now because his affiliation is known,he either is posting in what AT feels is acceptable or not.
End of story.



I worship no one except my parents and my daughter and am trying to look at the situation as a whole and be objective about it, where as you have a hard time seeing past your obvious hardon for ATI combined with your dislike for Rollo.

The stuation is Nvidia using AEG for marketing and the methods they are using,not Rollo's singlehanded plan to braiwash everyone in his quest for world domination in the video card industry.

But that was discussed very minimally,it was the immediate call for Rollo's head.
As that has been the most important factor to you.

As for my worshipping of Rollo,why are there defence lawyers,because regardless of the person or situation,everyone deserves a fair and balanced trial no matter what you think.

I am not saying you haven't made any good points,just that your and others dislike for Rollo has definitely clouded the issue greatly.

I'm done with this thread,as now the post are nothing but recycled flaming.

 

[xtknight]

Everybody should just forget about this AEG stuff. If it impacts your buying decisions and makes you want to discuss it everyday, you're already beyond help. One should be able to ramble on for ages about how great one video card company is as long as everything stated is facts and opinion, no blatant lies, and not get attacked or flamed for it. You know what should be banned? One attacking another just because he stated some reasons for preferring one company over another. And that's all I have to say. If you want an honest opinion of a card, then look for reviews on it, or listen to people who sound like they're stating facts. It's not hard to detect fact from opinion. The statement that NV4x+ had SM3 is a fact, and the statement 'future games will very likely use it' is probably just pure conjecture at this point. The same thing with FP16 HDR+AA and R5xx cards. The only replies to such posts should be something like "I doubt it. SM2 wasn't used up until..blah blah", and not "still like your dustbuster" or some lame crap like that.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Everybody should just forget about this AEG stuff. If it impacts your buying decisions and makes you want to discuss it everyday, you're already beyond help. One should be able to ramble on for ages about how great one video card company is as long as everything stated is facts and opinion, no blatant lies, and not get attacked or flamed for it. You know what should be banned? One attacking another just because he stated some reasons for preferring one company over another. And that's all I have to say. If you want an honest opinion of a card, then look for reviews on it, or listen to people who sound like they're stating facts. It's not hard to detect fact from opinion.

I correctly guessed your videocard brand before I even clicked on your rig stats.

Why do you think this is about your brand of videocard?

I think I am probably expecting too much intelligence on this whole AEG question. Most people don't get why this is so messed up and think it's about one brand or another. Usually common sense will win out on tech boards over zombies repeating "witch hunt" over and over. Hmm, where did the phrase "witch hunt" first pop up here? Oh, maybe here start of witch hunt speak :roll:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: schtuga
I was waiting for your well thought out reply.

If this was asus doing it in the motherboard section,the discussion would be done by now.
But because it's nvidia/video AND Rollo is all the justification you need to take it to the highest level.

He has been posting the same way forever,if the mods didn't feel he should be permanantly banned for what he posts,why should they now because his affiliation is known,he either is posting in what AT feels is acceptable or not.
End of story.



I worship no one except my parents and my daughter and am trying to look at the situation as a whole and be objective about it, where as you have a hard time seeing past your obvious hardon for ATI combined with your dislike for Rollo.

The stuation is Nvidia using AEG for marketing and the methods they are using,not Rollo's singlehanded plan to braiwash everyone in his quest for world domination in the video card industry.

But that was discussed very minimally,it was the immediate call for Rollo's head.
As that has been the most important factor to you.

As for my worshipping of Rollo,why are there defence lawyers,because regardless of the person or situation,everyone deserves a fair and balanced trial no matter what you think.

I am not saying you haven't made any good points,just that your and others dislike for Rollo has definitely clouded the issue greatly.

I'm done with this thread,as now the post are nothing but recycled flaming.

the MB section is small and the mods would have no problem bring it to an instant resolution. bad example

if it were 'ATi and apoppin' it'd be even worse
[with Rollo leasing the charge and you following]

"fair and balanced trial"? . . . not for a self-admitted troll . . . and you are not obhective as you are EXCUSING Rollo's conduct.

Rollo Lied. betrayed trust. 'got free advertising for his employer
[end of real story]

and we don't know what the Administration will do . . . i suspect a censure at least - a ban at most.

in the "making of good posts" also come flames . . . this is Video . . . and MOST of us are disgusted with Rollo and many of us are upset with AEG/nVidia's Viral/Guerilla marketing

we haven't clouded the issue . . . despite Rollo and his cohorts' best attempts to SPIN it as harmless.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I guessed at your videocard brand before I even clicked on your rig stats.

Why do you think this is about your brand of videocard?

What does my brand of video card have to do with anything?

I'm just sick of people being flamed because they stated their opinion on something. If the forum practiced freedom of speech, people using personal insults against others based on their opinions should be banned. I should be able to say stuff like this without being personally insulted in any way.

"The 5800U sounded like a jet engine"
"ATI CCC takes up memory like the hulk."

Then someone will come along and say some stupid remark like "if it bothers you that much, then blah blah blah". It's ridiculous. It's pure defense is all it is. Part of life is being able to accept others' opinions. If you offer contructive criticism against it, good. We get to hear another side of the story that isn't littered with flaming. If you say anything insulting or personally hurting then it should immediately be banned. This doesn't have anything to do with AEG I guess, I just needed to vent it somewhere. The Video forum is particularly bad in terms of accepting people's opinions compared to any of the others here it seems. And lastly somebody should be able to state their opinion on one brand or model of card without some other troll thinking they're in AEG. :roll: I know Rollo is an AEG, but that's not my point. My point is about the stupid prejudice assumptions. If you think about it, the majority of people stating a favor for one company over another is most likely NOT ANY PART OF AN ADVERTISING GROUP AT ALL. Turns out Rollo was (so just ignore him if you don't like his opinions and stop arguing). There are still lots of people being flamed on basis of mere opinions that probably aren't related to AEG in any way.

Post constructive criticism against my points or whatever, I could care less. I am not going to 'hate' you because of it.

OK, I'm done here.

 

[CKXP]

this thread needs to be locked, nothing useful to this forum is being no longer posted, instead has turned into a safehaven for members to show their disgust for other members in this community to many flames and personal attacks in this thread has gotten out of hand.

 

[rbV5]

I'm just sick of people being flamed because they stated their opinion on something

You mean like they don't have an opinion if they don't own the gear (put your money where your mouth is, fox and grapes) or your education is insufficient to "afford" good gear, or your parents did a poor job of raising you.......

yea me too xtknight, me too.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: rbV5

I'm just sick of people being flamed because they stated their opinion on something

You mean like they don't have an opinion if they don't own the gear (put your money where your mouth is, fox and grapes) or your education is insufficient to "afford" good gear, or your parents did a poor job of raising you.......

yea me too xtknight, me too.

I realize you were trying to be sarcastic (you assumed I am trying to defend Rollo?), but yes I am sick of that stuff too, precisely. It is nothing related to video cards (issue at hand) no matter who posts it, Rollo or any other person. There are plenty of others here doing off-topic things like that too. However usually he says that stuff when people provoke him to do so. The people who continually provoke him because they have something against him are definitely not helping the matter at all. The best advice IMO is to just ignore people with whom you get in fights all the time with and there won't be any problem.

 

[clarkmo]

If anything can be said about viral marketing, it is that it shouldn't become virulent. Fanboyism (will appear in the new Webster's I'm sure) shouldn't be applied in a technical discussion. It's rediculous and doesn't help anyone's marketing.
Replying to each and every post in a discussion to dispute on whatever level no matter how far straying from the topic is a call for attention, nothing more.
The fraud is that the loyalty shown for a product was assumed to be based on faith, belief, or knowledge. Not because someone was paid to post responses.
Sticking to the topic is fine, defending what you're paid to defend is fine. Just attacking every contrary post is sad.
I'd welcome more paid posters if they'd just stick to the point. Show how and why their product can achieve the results we're looking for. Point out the flaws in other's observations with real info.
Instead, the posts and threads frequently end up down in the gutter with no info shared.
Shutting up the critics is absurd. Defend the product.