Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: ayabe
While I've skipped a lot of the posts since this exploded lastnight I can honestly say that this doesn't change my opinion of anyone. Most of the people who read and post in the video forum know the major players on both sides of this equation and we know to take everything they say with a grain of salt and tend to ignore some of the tongue in cheek comments made about the company they don't prefer.

Whether someone prefers NVIDIA to ATI or vice versa it doesn't matter to me whether they derive their preference from strictly personal reasons or if they are getting rewarded to "feel" the way they do, it's an agenda either way and should be handled as such. While Ronin and Rollo usually show some favor to NVIDIA either directly or indirectly in almost all of their posts, I haven't seen any of their posts that are absolute FUD(none that I can remember at least), as long as what people post in here has some basis in fact it should be treated with respect. The difference lies when out and out falsehoods are presented as the groundworks for an opinion; that is a problem.

Stealth marketing has been around for a while and isn't going away anytime soon, movie studios do this on movie message boards to promote their films, alcohol and cigarette companies send people to bars to strike up "random" conversations with people about their products. It's part of being in a consumer society, you are being marketed to in on fashion or another just about every second of every day. If you can't filter this stuff out and discern what is marketing and what is truth, then you are doomed to make poor consumer choices and have noone but yourself to blame.

Very well said. Sheeple get fleeced.

The drama is quite entertaining though. It is evident that the AEG/nV people are not the only ones pursuing an agenda here either. Some are seeking revenge for having had their pride or fragile egos hurt. Others are taking the opportunity to prosecute their anti-nV and/or Pro ATI agenda, and yet others have been displaying the mob mentality from that Monty Python script I posted, completely unreasoning. Then there are those of us that realize this is just a clever and insidious corporate marketing tactic that has been used IRL for years, that has been adapted to the virtual communties.

BTW, in response to a poster's comment, Rollo did not get a free 5800U, he traded me his 9800Pro 128mb for it. Also, I would like to declare that I still like Rollo and hope he isn't banned. I believe his controversial remarks are responsible for a great many thread views on this forum, and consequently site traffic that creates revenue for the operators. He is like Howard Stern in a sense, wether they like or hate him, the most common response is, "I wanted to hear what he'd say next."

Well, I've said what I wanted, and I know some of you hate him like you knew him growing up in the old neighborhood. I do think some of you need to get laid....BADLY! though. Studies show it can have a calming effect/stress reduction, that can last for days. And, No, rubbing one out doesn't produce the same effect, so sorry about your luck.

 

[sellmen]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

He didn't deny anything, he asked for proof. If someone says that ATI is also giving away free video cards and 30" LCDs through an "undisclosed advertising company", they better have some evidence.

Not to mention its g3pro making the statement, which probably means it isn't true.

 

[Ackmed]

^^

I dont know if ATi is doing such a thing. And would be equally as disgusted with them, and the people as I am with NV and their people. I simply asked for proof, since he makes such a bold statement. As of right now, I dont believe ATi does such a thing. I wouldnt have thought NV did till a few months ago. If there is proof that ATi does the same thing, I will eat my words. But as of now, there are zero facts to suggest that they do.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
^^

I dont know if ATi is doing such a thing. And would be equally as disgusted with them, and the people as I am with NV and their people. I simply asked for proof, since he makes such a bold statement. As of right now, I dont believe ATi does such a thing. I wouldnt have thought NV did till a few months ago. If there is proof that ATi does the same thing, I will eat my words. But as of now, there are zero facts to suggest that they do.

I agree, and I'll even go a step further in saying that I wouldn't be surprised if ATI does this same thing (it's certainly not as if they exist to serve our best interests). But the issue is, much like was the case for Nvidia/AEG a few months back, there's no proof (even in a general way that they're participating in such a program, whether handled internally or externally). We can't just go pointing fingers at everyone that seems to have a bias towards either company, because there are still true (unpaid-for) fanboys that exist.

For what it's worth I can think of at least one name who I wouldn't be susprised to find out was a part of a similar program for ATI, but he also didn't do nearly the trolling or attacking of other members that Rollo often did. But were ATI's program to be exposed (assuming it exists), I'd find it hard to believe that anyone here wouldn't have the same response to it as they have towards AEG.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
^^

I dont know if ATi is doing such a thing. And would be equally as disgusted with them, and the people as I am with NV and their people. I simply asked for proof, since he makes such a bold statement. As of right now, I dont believe ATi does such a thing. I wouldnt have thought NV did till a few months ago. If there is proof that ATi does the same thing, I will eat my words. But as of now, there are zero facts to suggest that they do.

I understand what you're saying. But I guess we can call it a fact, that we have no proof that they do, an no proof that they don't. So I guess the most intelligent conclusion we can all come to is, we just don't know.

Another note: These forums are quickly turning into a state of "guilty until proven innocent". If you check the F.I. thread, there is an actual witch hunt going on. Nvidia/AEG have certainly succeeded in making life for nvidia fans difficult in any video forum. Sucks.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: sellmen

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

He didn't deny anything, he asked for proof. If someone says that ATI is also giving away free video cards and 30" LCDs through an "undisclosed advertising company", they better have some evidence.

Not to mention its g3pro making the statement, which probably means it isn't true.

I'm not backing up g3pro, that's for sure. But like I just said to Ackmed, lack of proof doesn't necessarily mean they don't do it. Can't say one way or the other because there is no evidence to support either conclusion. "We don't know" is the best we can do.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
...
Nvidia/AEG have certainly succeeded in making life for nvidia fans difficult in any video forum. Sucks.

What did they expect? ATI will get the same if they do it. Maybe ATI should admit it now if that's the case.

Edited: Keys, I meant ATI.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
You know I last posted about 9 pages back on this and boy has the world changed.

Rollo- I am disapointed in you, Not because your part of this AEG thing. But because you let people defend you as not being part of this group when you really were. People like me Ronin and Keys all defended you since the first thread while some (Keys and Ronin) were attacked for doing so. As some one who doesn't have a problem with AEG I think some of us, if you really weren't under NDA about being part of the Group deserved to know even if by PM that you were part of this.

To everyone else, this is turning out to be more of the same thing I said. Free prodcut have fun, tell people about it. In fact this NDA that everyone was yelling up and down the street about, turned out to be exactly what I thought it would be, an NDA about products unreleased.

The problem is somewhere in the middle here, alot of people, RED fans for the most part are trying to turn this into more then it really is. And some people Green fans seem brush it off as nothing at all.

Here I sit, to a lot of you Rollo's words will have very little value, for some of you they never did in the first place. For those people Gloat that you knew all along because for you chances are this will be your lifes crowning achivement. For the other I myself am wondering how to deal with Rollo from this point on. Not because he is in the Group but because of how he let peole denie his involvement right up to the point where he finally fessed up to all. That sir is a lack of ethics that Apponin was looking for. But I would like to comment right now and say this, people who refer now or before that Rollos Threads were FUD, I ask that you look over it again. He did have a slant in his threads. He made several threads about Nvidia success' and several about ATI Failures. That is where the slant I saw ended, most of the topics were true. The biggest problem with it was Rollo was a Drama Queen and especially the ATI threads, the topics came off worse then they actually were.

I still don't have a problem with this Viral Marketing, it not only standard practice and most of people who have an issue with it seem to have this price limit in their head that makes impossible for them believe that a company would give anything away that worth more, and therefore must be considered payment for undercover work. On the other hand Rollo by the denial to both stone throwers and supporters alike has given everyone in this marketing program a black eye.

nice post . . . one of the first philosophical ones by you that i generally agree with

However, remember . . . Rollo didn't do this to us . . . nVidia did.

that's why i will never "accept' Viral marketing. . . . but i realize it will not 'go away' . . . it will go more underground as nVidia moves it's deceptive programme "in house".

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
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Nvidia/AEG have certainly succeeded in making life for nvidia fans difficult in any video forum. Sucks.

What did they expect? ATI will get the same if they do it. Maybe they should admit it now if that's the case.

You mean ATI should admit it now? I think that's what you meant anyway. Well, there is no reason to if they do. They are not in the spotlight in any way at this point. People can only assume that ATI does the same thing. We know Nvidia does it for sure, hence the damage control, if you can call it that, the damage is way out of control here obviously.
So, I dunno.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
...
Nvidia/AEG have certainly succeeded in making life for nvidia fans difficult in any video forum. Sucks.

What did they expect? ATI will get the same if they do it. Maybe they should admit it now if that's the case.

You mean ATI should admit it now? I think that's what you meant anyway. Well, there is no reason to if they do. They are not in the spotlight in any way at this point. People can only assume that ATI does the same thing. We know Nvidia does it for sure, hence the damage control, if you can call it that, the damage is way out of control here obviously.
So, I dunno.

The idea is that ATI would share the heat with NV. It will be bigger issue if it's just them alone in it later.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
...
Nvidia/AEG have certainly succeeded in making life for nvidia fans difficult in any video forum. Sucks.

What did they expect? ATI will get the same if they do it. Maybe they should admit it now if that's the case.

You mean ATI should admit it now? I think that's what you meant anyway. Well, there is no reason to if they do. They are not in the spotlight in any way at this point. People can only assume that ATI does the same thing. We know Nvidia does it for sure, hence the damage control, if you can call it that, the damage is way out of control here obviously.
So, I dunno.

i doubt ATi copies nVidia's marketing techniques . . . they are much less "aggressive" . .. and i think if they were planning a Viral Marketing, let them be warned. . . . i would be even harder on ATi if i found out they did this crap.


kinda weird . . . ATi has benefited from nVidia's Viral Marketing . . . talk about a Miss-Fire

 

[orangat]

Its not a matter of being a fanboy or not.

This is an issue of honesty. Insidiously posing as just an ordinary gamer doling out advise and recommendations is NOT right.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
People can only assume that ATI does the same thing.

I'm not ready to make this assumption. You can if you want, but I don't think it's such a natural assumption as you suggest. This is a relatively new kind of marketing and as someone else said, ATI does not seem to be as aggressive as Nvidia as far as marketing goes.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

The hypocrisy of the ATI fanboy on this board, knows no bounds.

Of course to them ATI is a shining pillar of light and nothing can tarnish that image.

Ackmed, Morph, Munky, nts and the others have a very clear bias, and their refusal to admit it makes it that much more obvious. Maybe they are just upset that Rollo got free video cards for his bias and all they get is ignored. Although I would not be surprised if at least one of them was "connected" in some way.

The facts in reviews and performance stand for themselves. The opinions here won't change.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
People can only assume that ATI does the same thing.

I'm not ready to make this assumption. You can if you want, but I don't think it's such a natural assumption as you suggest. This is a relatively new kind of marketing and as someone else said, ATI does not seem to be as aggressive as Nvidia as far as marketing goes.

Easier for me to assume that they do. Only because if I don't, I feel a bit naive. Nvidia may seem more aggressive because it's all public now. They may very well spend a great deal more money than ATI in promoting their products, but by how much is unknown at the moment. This marketing is releatively new in the sense it is being done on internet forums, however, this "style" of marketing has been around a long time.
The Marlboro people come to mind, passing out free zippo lighters in clubs and bars all over the world to encourage people to buy their cigarettes. Down to the most tiny establishments. Just as AEG said, "No forum is too small to be infected by our marketing".

So, there is nothing new about this type of marketing except for the fact it's done online.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

The hypocrisy of the ATI fanboy on this board, knows no bounds.

Of course to them ATI is a shining pillar of light and nothing can tarnish that image.

Ackmed, Morph, Munky, nts and the others have a very clear bias, and their refusal to admit it makes it that much more obvious. Maybe they are just upset that Rollo got free video cards for his bias and all they get is ignored. Although I would not be surprised if at least one of them was "connected" in some way.

The facts in reviews and performance stand for themselves. The opinions here won't change.

no almost everyone - except you - is "upset" cause Rollo is a proven Liar and a paid agent for AEG who created chaos in these forums by his trolling.

i am quite certain that Rollo is not the only AEG "mole" here . . .THREE "came out at B3D" and i don't think ATF is less "important" . . .

already we see nvidia's marketing and the "subtle defenses" of Rollo and their Crap marketing at work here.
:thumbsdown:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

nonsense . . . ATi is not on the hot seat . . . otoh, your company is.

it's clear you have an agenda . . . you support nVidia no matter what. ;')

and now you are trying to excuse Viral Marketing by saying "probably" ATi does it.

 

[rgardner]

This thread is rather amusing ...

All it really points out is that when soliciting opinions about what one should get ... buyer beware ... I have always said that the computer business is the only business on the planet that make "used car salesmen" smell like roses.

I have seen the trend over the years with the growing shift towards bias reporting on all the big sites when it comes to reviews. He who donates more gets the best reviews.

I have switched between ATI & nVidia and Intel & AMD many times and will continue to do so when I upgrade, I educate myself and then go spend my money. Anyone who chooses to simply read the "fanboy" hype deserves exactly what they get.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: apoppin

nonsense . . . ATi is not on the hot seat . . . otoh, your company is.

it's clear you have an agenda . . . you support nVidia no matter what. ;')

and now you are trying to excuse Viral Marketing by saying "probably" ATi does it.

The fact that Keys still has "Rollo for MOD!" in his sig should also tell you something about the way he thinks.

 

[Gamer X]

After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Gamer X
After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

Maybe this thread should be a reminder to all these guys. A sticky?

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: ayabe
While I've skipped a lot of the posts since this exploded lastnight I can honestly say that this doesn't change my opinion of anyone. Most of the people who read and post in the video forum know the major players on both sides of this equation and we know to take everything they say with a grain of salt and tend to ignore some of the tongue in cheek comments made about the company they don't prefer.

Whether someone prefers NVIDIA to ATI or vice versa it doesn't matter to me whether they derive their preference from strictly personal reasons or if they are getting rewarded to "feel" the way they do, it's an agenda either way and should be handled as such. While Ronin and Rollo usually show some favor to NVIDIA either directly or indirectly in almost all of their posts, I haven't seen any of their posts that are absolute FUD(none that I can remember at least), as long as what people post in here has some basis in fact it should be treated with respect. The difference lies when out and out falsehoods are presented as the groundworks for an opinion; that is a problem.

Stealth marketing has been around for a while and isn't going away anytime soon, movie studios do this on movie message boards to promote their films, alcohol and cigarette companies send people to bars to strike up "random" conversations with people about their products. It's part of being in a consumer society, you are being marketed to in on fashion or another just about every second of every day. If you can't filter this stuff out and discern what is marketing and what is truth, then you are doomed to make poor consumer choices and have noone but yourself to blame.

Very well said. Sheeple get fleeced.

The drama is quite entertaining though. It is evident that the AEG/nV people are not the only ones pursuing an agenda here either. Some are seeking revenge for having had their pride or fragile egos hurt. Others are taking the opportunity to prosecute their anti-nV and/or Pro ATI agenda, and yet others have been displaying the mob mentality from that Monty Python script I posted, completely unreasoning. Then there are those of us that realize this is just a clever and insidious corporate marketing tactic that has been used IRL for years, that has been adapted to the virtual communties.

BTW, in response to a poster's comment, Rollo did not get a free 5800U, he traded me his 9800Pro 128mb for it. Also, I would like to declare that I still like Rollo and hope he isn't banned. I believe his controversial remarks are responsible for a great many thread views on this forum, and consequently site traffic that creates revenue for the operators. He is like Howard Stern in a sense, wether they like or hate him, the most common response is, "I wanted to hear what he'd say next."

Well, I've said what I wanted, and I know some of you hate him like you knew him growing up in the old neighborhood. I do think some of you need to get laid....BADLY! though. Studies show it can have a calming effect/stress reduction, that can last for days. And, No, rubbing one out doesn't produce the same effect, so sorry about your luck.

The difference being that Howard has always been honest and upfront with his audience, thus he is respected. Trying to get innocent people banned to protect your lies would be the sole reason for his banning, if I was an AT mod.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Gamer X
After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

You mean like...when you go to a computer store and a salesman lets his personal bias sway you, too? *gasp* What a flawed argument for a ban.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
If you can't create (coding or art), go into quality assurance. I guess that's one way to get into the gaming business. I find it amusing that he badmouthed EA Games and said he'd never put his name on anything of theirs. Look at the Sony crap he's worked on...

Star Wars Galaxies... failure
PlanetSide... failure
Everquest II... not a very good game, being spanked by WoW

Dude...Planetside was an awesome game. Have you played it?