Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: sandorski
If Nvidia, ATI, or whomever wants to spread the good name of their company were to simply send out people into Forums as Tech Support it would be a lot better PR than this s***. They could identify themselves in their sig and deal with peoples issues and leave the damn Flaming/Fanboyism to the kiddies.

Everytime a company spreads FUD, cheats in a driver, or bad mouths a Competitor people get turned off for reasons other than the Technical merits of their Product. WakeTF up!

Yes, but that defeats the benefit of viral marketing: the freedom of the members to bad mouth the competitors products. (I highly suspect some sort of talking points could well be involved)

Generally representitives of companies are barred from making negative comments about competitors products for obvious legal reasons. That is the kind of thing you like to have vetted by a lawyer first.

Just walk into a computer store during one of those demo days and try to get the company representative to say something negative about the competition. They won't.

 

[g3pro]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
jesus fvcking christ. That was a long read.

First of all. Ban Rollo. Seriously. What he did was underhanded and simply wrong. He denial of being affilated with AEG got people baneed because they were right in accusing him of that. That, IMHO is grounds for straight up IP banning. Not to mention the fact of all the nVidia bias he has spread.

This scandal seriously has me appalled. I trust(ed) the advice of alot of the members here and now who am I to believe as to what is true? Hell, I'm pissed off because I defended rollo before! I feel betrayed that such underhanded and immoral tatics are used to influence people. Granted it is capitalism, but it still is immoral. What happened to using the strength of your product to sell it?

I'm basically disgusted and appalled at this whole situtation.

There are several members here who are doing marketing on behalf of ATi. When they are exposed, will you sing the same tune? I don't think so.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: jim1976
Oh come on I'm sick and tired of all these. Why don't mods lock this thread as well? Do we really need this virus spreading here at AT too? :disgust:

Because the mods are smarter than you give them credit for? By allowing the community to vent on it, it does defuse the situation a bit. If the mods locked every thread, it would be much worse and AT would take heat for it. And by closing spawned threads, they concentrate it making it easier for all to monitor.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
jesus fvcking christ. That was a long read.

First of all. Ban Rollo. Seriously. What he did was underhanded and simply wrong. He denial of being affilated with AEG got people baneed because they were right in accusing him of that. That, IMHO is grounds for straight up IP banning. Not to mention the fact of all the nVidia bias he has spread.

This scandal seriously has me appalled. I trust(ed) the advice of alot of the members here and now who am I to believe as to what is true? Hell, I'm pissed off because I defended rollo before! I feel betrayed that such underhanded and immoral tatics are used to influence people. Granted it is capitalism, but it still is immoral. What happened to using the strength of your product to sell it?

I'm basically disgusted and appalled at this whole situtation.

There are several members here who are doing marketing on behalf of ATi. When they are exposed, will you sing the same tune? I don't think so.

The only person I believe to get banned for that whole AEG thing was Turtle right. I thought he got banned because he was Intellia and ginn2d (or something close) that had already been banned. In fact after words he made an even shorter lived Turtallia account.

I know how Leper feels about defending Rollo but besides lieing about his inclusion we don't have any proof that any of his actions where payed for, which would make him just another fan boy.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
relax,.. kick back,... have a drink on me :beer: <--not coffee either lol ,..and have a good time and enjoy yourselves above all else

This would be a lot easier without Rollo.

His tactics effectively stopped me, a seasoned videocard forum user, from even wanting to look at this particular forum for a while. [/quote]
Errr, if I somehow stopped you from visiting the forum, you need to realize I hold no sway over anyone and am a hobbyist posting opinions like anyone else.

Knowing he would viciously attack me for mentioning ATI

I've never attacked anyone for merely mentioning ATI. I might have said we don't need references to the 9700Pro/5800 situation for the rest of our lives, but I could care less if anyone owns ATI.

or that I have enjoyed my recent upgrade to an admittedly non-highend X850XT AGP was enough to stop me cold.

Did I ever say anything about your X850? The only time I ever referenced people's video cards was a. to say they can't really comment on features they haven't seen b. to ask them why they care so much about cards they don't own.

I just have to wonder to myself that if a jerk like this can effectively shut down a veteran like myself(and people who know me know I am not shy, I simply didn't want to get banned fighting this jerk) then what is the effect on the noobs here?

You shut yourself down. As noted, I'm a hobbyist posting opinions. When you come here, you have the choice to ignore my posts or engage me in debate. Saying you didn't like my answers so you left the forum altogether isn't an option. You still had the option to ignore my posts, as I likely did yours.

This stuff is not right

What? Freedom of speech?

and I am looking forward to Rollo being banned for all the crap he has pulled here and how he has worked this forum for his employers for years.

I'm sure you are if you feel you can't ignore my posts, and my responses have driven you from the board. My "employers" have nothing to do with video gaming.

I can't imagine his employer would feel good about the tactics he uses to "control"(this is a term AEG uses) the community he is in charge of controlling.

Again, the only control I have is what you give me. If you would have ignored my posts, it's likely we would have never interacted. If you want to debate me, fine, but you sort of have to expect me to answer. (and I might not agree with you)
Whatever AEG and nVidia think of my posts is their business. My style of posting has not changed in a decade and I hope they wanted actual people to for the group, not corporate parrots. If not, my life will go on. This is, after all, just a hobby. Whether I'm in a focus group or not, I'll still be a pc gamer, and still have high end hardware.

Not real crazy about a guy like him controlling a forum like this but that is exactly what he has been doing.

You say that so much I think you actually believe it. I don't think Apoppin and Ackmed ever felt "controlled" by me (and I bet they'd laugh if you suggested it), nor did any of the other members.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: jim1976
Oh come on I'm sick and tired of all these. Why don't mods lock this thread as well? Do we really need this virus spreading here at AT too? :disgust:

Because the mods are smarter than you give them credit for? By allowing the community to vent on it, it does defuse the situation a bit. If the mods locked every thread, it would be much worse and AT would take heat for it. And by closing spawned threads, they concentrate it making it easier for all to monitor.

Defuse the situation? AT take the heat for it? What the hell are you talkin about m8? LOL. Do we really need a thread that gives the change to many ppl to make their personal attacks towards some others and vice versa? Is this the puprose of these forums or am I missing anything? You don't need this thread and their relationship with AEG to grasp the whole picture about some individuals in here unless you(not reffering to you personally of course) are mentally handicapped.
Even with your "smart" logic it's a 600+ thread with other threads spreading as well too in here.. What else is there to be known?
Everyone that is a little interested in this story knows the vast majority of these facts for a long time now.. So what purpose does this thread serves except the namecalling and the fanboysim? :disgust:
And I didn't defend these ppl, read better I said that many of them in B3D are actually helpful and knowledgeable.. Is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
This would be a lot easier without Rollo.

His tactics effectively stopped me, a seasoned videocard forum user, from even wanting to look at this particular forum for a while.

You're not the only one he's driven away. Ever remember a member named "oldfart"? Very nice, polite guy. I chatted with him briefly when he showed up during Rollo's Moderator enforced two week "vacation". He told me flat out that the single reason he was no longer an active member here was the continued presence of Rollo.

This is the ideal time for the Moderators to clean house, set some stringent rules on acceptable behavior towards fellow members and to make the Video Forums a place where anybody can come and discuss hardware without fear of being harrassed or ridiculed by people like Rollo.

If nothing happens after this incident then we may as well resign ourselves to the fact that the Video Forums will never improve from the sad state it's currently in and we'll continue to be an ongoing flamefest joke to the rest of the online communities.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
don't take it all too seriously.

thats my quote of the day right there

its amazing how many people are way too uptight around here IMO,..like if they lighten up and let thier gaurd down they might actually smile or enjoy thier day

relax,.. kick back,... have a drink on me :beer: <--not coffee either lol ,..and have a good time and enjoy yourselves above all else

This would be a lot easier without Rollo.

His tactics effectively stopped me, a seasoned videocard forum user, from even wanting to look at this particular forum for a while.

Knowing he would viciously attack me for mentioning ATI or that I have enjoyed my recent upgrade to an admittedly non-highend X850XT AGP was enough to stop me cold. I just have to wonder to myself that if a jerk like this can effectively shut down a veteran like myself(and people who know me know I am not shy, I simply didn't want to get banned fighting this jerk) then what is the effect on the noobs here?

This stuff is not right and I am looking forward to Rollo being banned for all the crap he has pulled here and how he has worked this forum for his employers for years. I can't imagine his employer would feel good about the tactics he uses to "control"(this is a term AEG uses) the community he is in charge of controlling. Not real crazy about a guy like him controlling a forum like this but that is exactly what he has been doing.

Before anybody wants to call me a brand fan, which seems to be his normal tactic in defusing this PR nightmare for Nvidia, I would like to point out that I wanted to buy a 7800GT for my latest upgrade considering the pricepoint but was saddened to find out that it was not available in AGP. And I wanted an upgrade last December so anyone who feels the need to point out recent cards needs to shut it before they even start. Plus, there is still no 7800GT in AGP. I ended up buying the card that gave the biggest bang for my cash and, yes, I paid for my card, another subject always raised by this "paid in videocards" troll and one he has constantly beat people over the head with.

I had a right to feel good about my purchase and this lying sack of crap made it a point to call me an ATI fanboy for my purchase. F him and anyone who defends him. It's time things were set right around here.

I understand your frustration, but go take a valium. You can't take this stuff so much to heart. As a "veteran" you don't need anyone to tell you what vid card to buy. You know enough to find the answers yourself. Just relax. It's not as "serious" or "terminal" as you make it out to be. It's bad how it all was done, granted, but if this really affects you this much, why are you still here? Good question to ask yourself, no?

Anyway, peace.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
don't take it all too seriously.

thats my quote of the day right there

its amazing how many people are way too uptight around here IMO,..like if they lighten up and let thier gaurd down they might actually smile or enjoy thier day

relax,.. kick back,... have a drink on me :beer: <--not coffee either lol ,..and have a good time and enjoy yourselves above all else

This would be a lot easier without Rollo.

His tactics effectively stopped me, a seasoned videocard forum user, from even wanting to look at this particular forum for a while.

Knowing he would viciously attack me for mentioning ATI or that I have enjoyed my recent upgrade to an admittedly non-highend X850XT AGP was enough to stop me cold. I just have to wonder to myself that if a jerk like this can effectively shut down a veteran like myself(and people who know me know I am not shy, I simply didn't want to get banned fighting this jerk) then what is the effect on the noobs here?

This stuff is not right and I am looking forward to Rollo being banned for all the crap he has pulled here and how he has worked this forum for his employers for years. I can't imagine his employer would feel good about the tactics he uses to "control"(this is a term AEG uses) the community he is in charge of controlling. Not real crazy about a guy like him controlling a forum like this but that is exactly what he has been doing.

Before anybody wants to call me a brand fan, which seems to be his normal tactic in defusing this PR nightmare for Nvidia, I would like to point out that I wanted to buy a 7800GT for my latest upgrade considering the pricepoint but was saddened to find out that it was not available in AGP. And I wanted an upgrade last December so anyone who feels the need to point out recent cards needs to shut it before they even start. Plus, there is still no 7800GT in AGP. I ended up buying the card that gave the biggest bang for my cash and, yes, I paid for my card, another subject always raised by this "paid in videocards" troll and one he has constantly beat people over the head with.

I had a right to feel good about my purchase and this lying sack of crap made it a point to call me an ATI fanboy for my purchase. F him and anyone who defends him. It's time things were set right around here.

I understand your frustration, but go take a valium. You can't take this stuff so much to heart. As a "veteran" you don't need anyone to tell you what vid card to buy. You know enough to find the answers yourself. Just relax. It's not as "serious" or "terminal" as you make it out to be. It's bad how it all was done, granted, but if this really affects you this much, why are you still here? Good question to ask yourself, no?

Anyway, peace.

Thats the attitude they are complaining about.

Not everyone comes into video for an argument, and they shouldnt have to leave if someone starts one.

 

[solofly]

Go Rollo go, and don't let anybody stop you. You have the strongest personality around here. After all the abuse you go through, you're alive and well. I'm just blown away that they allow personal attacks on others without any consequences.

 

[orangat]

AEG provides a level of deniability for Nvidia to spread fake rumours like the purevideo fix which was supposed to be forthcoming for the 6800 agp series. Shills like Rollo insisted that the patch fix was coming from his 'Nvidia contact(s)'.
Well the fix never came and Nvidia managed to hold off irritated customers until the product cycle rolled over.

I see the shill changing the sig to beta testing as another effort to minimise and deflect the issue as if the continuous lying never happened.

 

[solofly]

lol I had to share this with you all...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=64476

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin
BTW, ALL the AEG threads in F.I. are now locked

i guess ATF administration is coming to a decision . . .

i'll abide by it

Well that's a good thing because I don't think any of us have a choice.

we always have a choice . . . this isn't the only Video Forum

HOWEVER, the Administration is working on this . . . from the locked [last SB] thread in FI:

The next person to start a thread in FI about the AEG issue will be banned from the forums until it's resolution. We are working on the situation.

Please be patient.

AnandTech Moderator

i am quite patient . . . i waited two years already . . . to see Video cleaned up
:thumbsup:

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: schtuga
Personally,I know this won't change the way I continue to make purchases.
I take the forums for what they are

Millions of different people expressing their individual views and opinions on vid cards,life love etc.Thats all

If someone comes on here and convinces you of anything without researching the product,it serves you right.

Part of researching IS hearing what others are saying... what their personal experiences are. If you read the experiences from somebody who just bought the product and truly enjoys it, he's only going to give a short summary of his experience. But then you have an AEG poster, and he starts spouting things vehemently, like it's the greatest thing in the world... who's opinion are you going to believe?

You can't blame people for falling for AEG scums... that's part of their job. Not everybody is going to spend a hundred hours reading forums after forums, articles after articles, on a purchase. They're smart enough to know that they shouldn't take the word of a Best Buy salesman, so they come to respected forums like this for advice, and you say it serves them right when an AEG scum influences them?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: schtuga
Personally,I know this won't change the way I continue to make purchases.
I take the forums for what they are

Millions of different people expressing their individual views and opinions on vid cards,life love etc.Thats all

If someone comes on here and convinces you of anything without researching the product,it serves you right.

Part of researching IS hearing what others are saying... what their personal experiences are. If you read the experiences from somebody who just bought the product and truly enjoys it, he's only going to give a short summary of his experience. But then you have an AEG poster, and he starts spouting things vehemently, like it's the greatest thing in the world... who's opinion are you going to believe?

You can't blame people for falling for AEG scums... that's part of their job. Not everybody is going to spend a hundred hours reading forums after forums, articles after articles, on a purchase. They're smart enough to know that they shouldn't take the word of a Best Buy salesman, so they come to respected forums like this for advice, and you say it serves them right when an AEG scum influences them?

ideally yes, listening to others is a great tool for research, but even before this, i wouldnt use the forum too serious when researching my next buy. i base most of my purchases of review sites such as AT, XBIT, HEXUS, BIT-TECH, TECH REPORT. the forums are complimentary at best....especially here where you cant ask a question without being burned by the ensuing inferno.

 

[sellmen]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: schtuga
Personally,I know this won't change the way I continue to make purchases.
I take the forums for what they are

Millions of different people expressing their individual views and opinions on vid cards,life love etc.Thats all

If someone comes on here and convinces you of anything without researching the product,it serves you right.

Part of researching IS hearing what others are saying... what their personal experiences are. If you read the experiences from somebody who just bought the product and truly enjoys it, he's only going to give a short summary of his experience. But then you have an AEG poster, and he starts spouting things vehemently, like it's the greatest thing in the world... who's opinion are you going to believe?

You can't blame people for falling for AEG scums... that's part of their job. Not everybody is going to spend a hundred hours reading forums after forums, articles after articles, on a purchase. They're smart enough to know that they shouldn't take the word of a Best Buy salesman, so they come to respected forums like this for advice, and you say it serves them right when an AEG scum influences them?

ideally yes, listening to others is a great tool for research, but even before this, i wouldnt use the forum too serious when researching my next buy. i base most of my purchases of review sites such as AT, XBIT, HEXUS, BIT-TECH, TECH REPORT. the forums are complimentary at best....especially here where you cant ask a question without being burned by the ensuing inferno.

Most of the forums on AT are fine. The general hardware and CPU/overclocking forum, in particular, are good examples of what the video forum could be like. Lots of constructive posts, not that many flamefests; I've gotten lots of good info from both forums.

With this AEG thing exposed, you can kind of see why there is so much tension in the video form. The only one that's worse is P&N - and that's to be expected, given the subject matter.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: schtuga
Personally,I know this won't change the way I continue to make purchases.
I take the forums for what they are

Millions of different people expressing their individual views and opinions on vid cards,life love etc.Thats all

If someone comes on here and convinces you of anything without researching the product,it serves you right.

Part of researching IS hearing what others are saying... what their personal experiences are. If you read the experiences from somebody who just bought the product and truly enjoys it, he's only going to give a short summary of his experience. But then you have an AEG poster, and he starts spouting things vehemently, like it's the greatest thing in the world... who's opinion are you going to believe?

You can't blame people for falling for AEG scums... that's part of their job. Not everybody is going to spend a hundred hours reading forums after forums, articles after articles, on a purchase. They're smart enough to know that they shouldn't take the word of a Best Buy salesman, so they come to respected forums like this for advice, and you say it serves them right when an AEG scum influences them?

ideally yes, listening to others is a great tool for research, but even before this, i wouldnt use the forum too serious when researching my next buy. i base most of my purchases of review sites such as AT, XBIT, HEXUS, BIT-TECH, TECH REPORT. the forums are complimentary at best....especially here where you cant ask a question without being burned by the ensuing inferno.

Some people use both. Review sites have different opinions as well. So the next thing is a forum.

 

[Munky]

Everyday I see people posting in the video forum for recommendations, how do you think they would feel if they knew there were paid shills of a certain company on the forum? And if such shills displayed the following habits:
1. Downplaying the faults in the product of said company, often leading to threads bursting into flames
2. Posting threads emphasizing the faults of a competitor's product, real or rumored, significant or insignificant
3. Promoting features of the company's product when such company is in a favorable position, and downplaying the same features when they favor the competitor
4. Denying involvement in any marketing scheme of said company, and instead speaking from a position of fairness and balance, along with vast personal experience with the products of the affiliated company.

An unsuspecting forum user could easily fall for such tactics, and people dont go to a forum with the intention of listening to an undercover marketing agent. Moreover, the fact that these agents are not openly affiliated with a company allows them to spread negative comments and propaganda about the competitor without any legal reprecussions to the parent company.

This kind of stuff goes beyond simple fanboyism.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: jim1976
Oh come on I'm sick and tired of all these. Why don't mods lock this thread as well? Do we really need this virus spreading here at AT too? :disgust:

Leave Brian to his peace and his coaching He already has enough problems with Nvidia after his unfortunate break of the NDA with the GTX512...
This story is sad and I agree the truth has to come to the surface for many ppl's sake, but this has gone too far..
I totally agree though that some members at b3d (though IN the focus group) are actually really helpful and objective.

According to Rollo everything is perfectly fine in his relations with nvidia and AEG. Someone on B3D also referenced the same thing you said about nvidia/aeg having issues with him already. So I suppose, just another lie from our beloved rollo??

Someone should really compile a list encompassing rollo's BS over the past couple of years, host the list and we could add the link to our sigs.

 

[nib95]

Lol, I'm new to these forums but I must say, damn these are the juiciest most scandel ridden forums I have ever been on.
Theyre like the Easternders of forums.
And I though Anandtech was going to be a more classy proffesional affair.

Guess you cant judge a forum by the site nor quality of articles.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: sellmen
Most of the forums on AT are fine. The general hardware and CPU/overclocking forum, in particular, are good examples of what the video forum could be like. Lots of constructive posts, not that many flamefests; I've gotten lots of good info from both forums.

talk to me when theres another intel/amd battle

but you are right in that its nothing compared to the day to day in video. one reason is of course that 90% of AT members are using amd.

in video you have a pretty even split between ati and nv users and a seemingly endless line of product launches. the minute it starts settling down a bit you hear of a new refresh or new rumor.

anyway, i've never been what i've considered flamed here. i think alot of this "think of the noobs" line i'm hearing is nonsense. seems its always part of any rally cry for a banning.

anyone that stupid to get their buying advice from a single, faceless, nameless internet persona deserves what they get.

and if they are so offended that said nameless, faceless internet person can drive them from an anonymous online community, good luck to them in the real world.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: schtuga
Personally,I know this won't change the way I continue to make purchases.
I take the forums for what they are

Millions of different people expressing their individual views and opinions on vid cards,life love etc.Thats all

If someone comes on here and convinces you of anything without researching the product,it serves you right.

Part of researching IS hearing what others are saying... what their personal experiences are. If you read the experiences from somebody who just bought the product and truly enjoys it, he's only going to give a short summary of his experience. But then you have an AEG poster, and he starts spouting things vehemently, like it's the greatest thing in the world... who's opinion are you going to believe?

You can't blame people for falling for AEG scums... that's part of their job. Not everybody is going to spend a hundred hours reading forums after forums, articles after articles, on a purchase. They're smart enough to know that they shouldn't take the word of a Best Buy salesman, so they come to respected forums like this for advice, and you say it serves them right when an AEG scum influences them?

ideally yes, listening to others is a great tool for research, but even before this, i wouldnt use the forum too serious when researching my next buy. i base most of my purchases of review sites such as AT, XBIT, HEXUS, BIT-TECH, TECH REPORT. the forums are complimentary at best....especially here where you cant ask a question without being burned by the ensuing inferno.

Much of the flaming are due to AEG involvement though. They may directly be the cause of it, or elicit it with their posts.

As for the forum as a tool... what makes you think websites articles are always fair and unbiased? You think some of them aren't influenced? And like i said, not everybody is going to spend hours upon hours reading articles with benchmarks and numbers they don't understand. You enjoy it, so you do it... but not everybody does. Having a community like this, one where you can ask for opinions, is often critical to people's decision making. Is them buying an nvidia card over an ATI going to ruin their life? Of course not, and in all likelihood, either brands would have satisfy them. But opinions and experiences should come from real sources, not paid shills.

I even make my decisions heavily based on forum opinions. Articles only tell you so much, but they often don't tell you how particular game works... how well are the drivers... bugs... heat and sound issues. Yeah, i do like reading articles, but if i'm going to buy a card, am i going to read articles on ATI's 1800 cards, 1900 cards... nvidia GTs vs GTX, etc etc.. and am i going to solely rely on AT articles, or do i also read other sites? Actual users experience are much more important to me than articles. I base my decision on about 90% actual users experience, and 10% on articles.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: sellmen

Most of the forums on AT are fine. The general hardware and CPU/overclocking forum, in particular, are good examples of what the video forum could be like. Lots of constructive posts, not that many flamefests; I've gotten lots of good info from both forums.

With this AEG thing exposed, you can kind of see why there is so much tension in the video form. The only one that's worse is P&N - and that's to be expected, given the subject matter.

The CPU forum is tame right now due to Intels lack of competitiveness the last 18 months or so. You will certainly see battles in there when Intel closes in on AMD, which is happening as we speak with Yonah. Forget about Merom. That is the only reason it is tame in there right now is because there is barely anything to dispute at the moment. AMD rules pretty much without exception. Presler is getting good reviews in there with it's overclocking ability.

Anyway back OT.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: nib95
And I though Anandtech was going to be a more classy proffesional affair.

Actually ZOO is better organized than Anand's forum. Everything's piled into one category instead of dividing everything into sub-forums to avoid controversy.

 

[mrzed]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
This would be a lot easier without Rollo.

His tactics effectively stopped me, a seasoned videocard forum user, from even wanting to look at this particular forum for a while.

You're not the only one he's driven away. Ever remember a member named "oldfart"? Very nice, polite guy. I chatted with him briefly when he showed up during Rollo's Moderator enforced two week "vacation". He told me flat out that the single reason he was no longer an active member here was the continued presence of Rollo.

Well if oldfart was driven away by all this, and Rollo in particular, I think that should be given significant weight in itself. I've been here since '99 (first account got deleted) and yes, there were always flamewars, but the difference then was that things were mostly calm between the flames, and guys like oldfart were always around helping out the newbs. There are precious few of that old crowd around left, and the amount of actual help that goes on is completely drowned in the wash of flames. Who's been fanning these flames? Well, lots of members have, but that doesn't mean that this can't be the catalyst for a clean up that is long overdue. Maybe some of the class members from the past will come out of the woodwork again.