A little birdie told us that Nvidia is giving its Volta the 16nm FinFET treatment. This product uses stacked DRAM too so it looks like the whole thing will be pretty bleeding edge.
Our same deep throat told us that the performance per watt is expected to increase tremendously. Although this might be vague, little is known about Volta other than it is arriving after Pascal so any information we get is news. The earliest we expect Volta is 2017.
It is interesting to see that the lag between the GPU manufacturing and mobile processor manicuring is getting bigger. We expect to see Apple and Qualcomm making their first 10nm chips this year and it is unlikely that the GPU guys can match them.
The next generation Nvidia Volta GPU will stick with TSMC's 16nm FinFET at . AMD will use 14nm Global Foundries for its Vega HBM 2.0 powered card. This is also scheduled for 2017. AMDs CPUs will go directly from 14nm to 7nm so there is a chance that GPUs will skip 10nm and go directly to 7nm. This will probably take a lot longer to happen.
GPUs are complex parts and it takes time to get them to work using new manufacturing processes.
Mobile SoCs will head to 7nm in late 2017 or early 2018 but it will be interesting to see what will be the next manufacturing nod for the GPUs.
Interesting how this was discussed just recently.
If Volta is a 2017 product, Pascal is already obsolete.
Interesting how this was discussed just recently.
If Volta is a 2017 product, Pascal is already obsolete.
NV has consumer Volta for 2018.
It also makes no sense for NV to rush Volta when AMD is so behind and they haven't even released consumer GP102 cards. They can still refresh the entire Pascal line with faster G5X and GPU clocks and release Volta Spring/Summer 2018.
Unless NV wants to bankrupt AMD, they are better off raising prices and selling Pascal just long enough to have leadership and the replace it with Volta not giving AMD any breathing room.
That is code for not going to be available in 2017.The earliest we expect Volta is 2017
NV has consumer Volta for 2018. Until that changes, it's a 2018 product for this forum. We aren't buying $5000 Volta for science or GPGPU computing. It also makes no sense for NV to rush Volta when AMD is so behind and they haven't even released consumer GP102 cards. They can still refresh the entire Pascal line with faster G5X and GPU clocks and release Volta Spring/Summer 2018. Unless NV wants to bankrupt AMD, they are better off raising prices and selling Pascal just long enough to have leadership and the replace it with Volta not giving AMD any breathing room.
Volta with a completely grounds up new architecture on a very mature 16FF+ and extremely well optimized could bring another big increase just like Maxwell did on 28nm. I pity AMD as there is no chance that they will make much money at all against Pascal / Volta. Nvidia will continue to rake in the money and I think they have found that there is a eager and willing crowd to pay crazy amounts of money every year for the fastest GPU.
That is code for not going to be available in 2017.
Interesting how this was discussed just recently.
If Volta is a 2017 product, Pascal is already obsolete.
yeah. AMD will not have a answer for GP104 till atleast Q1 2017 and GP102 till Q3 2017. I don't see any reason for consumer Volta in 2017. Nvidia might bring Tesla Volta for HPC customers and to fill supercomputer contracts. But Nvidia are better off milking Pascal with faster core clocks, faster G5X etc. Nvidia are so far ahead this generation that there is no chance of competition from AMD. AMD has sealed their fate with GF 14LPP and the enormous time to market gap between GP104/GP102 and Vega chips.
Volta with a completely grounds up new architecture on a very mature 16FF+ and extremely well optimized could bring another big increase just like Maxwell did on 28nm. I pity AMD as there is no chance that they will make much money at all against Pascal / Volta. Nvidia will continue to rake in the money and I think they have found that there is a eager and willing crowd to pay crazy amounts of money every year for the fastest GPU.
Better preorder your $1200 Titan X and you might have it by the time they release Volta which will replace it :sneaky:
No kidding, at this rate my nephews will have a Titan X in their mini-rig by 2018
Minecraft @ 3000+ FPS
From all the tech talks I've seen (Bill Dally for example), Volta is a bigger jump than Maxwell-Pascal. It's the true next gen.Actually signs point to Volta being an iteration/improvement on Pascal, not a grounds up new uArch. After all, if you have the best/most efficient uArch in the market, why would you throw it all away?
I expect Volta to be an enhanced Pascal-derived architecture that utilizes HBM2 for the highest end gaming/HPC products.
That doesn't mean it has to be a complete uarch overhaul, it could just be like Conroe-Nehalem or Nehalem-SB, ignoring the minor ticks from IntelFrom all the tech talks I've seen (Bill Dally for example), Volta is a bigger jump than Maxwell-Pascal. It's the true next gen.
NV has consumer Volta for 2018. Until that changes, it's a 2018 product for this forum. We aren't buying $5000 Volta for science or GPGPU computing. It also makes no sense for NV to rush Volta when AMD is so behind and they haven't even released consumer GP102 cards.
Once AMD's next gen $300-$500 cards arrive, they will sell. Even if NVidia launches Volta as competition.. People with Freesync monitors will buy AMD GPUs..
4/5 monitors available from different brands are FreeSync.
It's not like NVidia's offerings are getting affordable either..
In that case GP102 doesn't make sense either. The competition has a lot of work to do to catch up with GP104, but NVIDIA is launching big Pascal in a few days anyway. If they have GV104 ready at some point next year, I bet they will launch it. All Pascal GPUs taped out as of mid 2016, only GP107/GP108 left to unveil/launch. Their work here is almost done, next stop is Volta.
Yeah, about that....
I offered to install my 290X water cooled on my GF's rig, she has a FreeSync monitor. She said no. Haha.
Sometimes people end up with FreeSync because the monitor is on a damn good clearance price and it played no part in the buying decision.
Once AMD's next gen $300-$500 cards arrive, they will sell. Even if NVidia launches Volta as competition.. People with Freesync monitors will buy AMD GPUs..
4/5 monitors available from different brands are FreeSync.
It's not like NVidia's offerings are getting affordable either..
What does she have now? If it's a 780, that's her loss. Should've informed her better.