i know i don't speak for anyone but myself. i also think some of you feel similar to how i do, from our PMs - that it is exhausting to wade through mounds of angry personal opinion and facts that are "spun" to influence our informed decision about what to upgrade.
Many times an innocent question will turn into a flame fest or an intelligent observation will get drowned-out by the clamor of fanboys trying to shout louder than the others, as though the actual 'number' of opinions makes something "right". It used to be this way and it appears it is returning to chaos.
i would like everyone here that cares, to weigh in and see what we can do to have calm, intelligent discussions at ATF Video. i think this is very "on topic".
i'd like to hear your opinions. For me, i'd like to get *less involved* in the heated debates and concentrate on the more helpful aspects of Video Forum - especially benchmarking which has become somewhat of a passion for me. i really DO think NVIDIA really IS "the performance leader". i have no problem with saying that as long as i can ALSO say that AMD has always provided me with an excellent "alternative" as the budget solution with no disadvantages to this practical gamer.
So personally, while i *admire* GX2 and would love to get my grubby mitts on one to compare with my own [to be coming] Tri-FrankenFire, i also think it is priced to high for an interim solution. So buy whatever the heck you feel you need to. i gave my opinion. i don't need to go over and over, round and round, saying essentially the *same* thing to each other - and escalating the negativity that is building again in Video Forum.
You guys *know* that we are one of the top 3 Video Forums on the 'net, don't you? We are even "attacked" by other tech sites and they will notice and point to our loss of credibility. i don't want to see that.
And you also need to realize that we are the target - by all the major manufacturers - for Viral marketing. Let me give you a little example - Let's say that we "influence" 2,000 sales of GX2 - we are actually affecting NVIDIA's bottom line by over 1 million dollars. And think that some of us are fans of either company and we also influence our friends and acquaintances - for many years and many more to come. And perhaps you should be aware that some of this confusion is deliberately caused by some that are jealous of us.
Now, you should know that Focus Groups of AMD and NVIDIA are supposed to be HELPFUL! ... not tear to the forums apart. And i make a special appeal to them - whoever they are - to not foul our nest here. it is to ALL of our advantages to have sane discussions here that will *educate*
EDIT:
What do you think of splitting Video into 2 forums?
- i don't have ANY idea if they would actually do it ... but
1) Part One is *exactly* like this one - but with little to no moderation - "General Video Discussions" .. maybe the 'what should i buy' can also go here, no idea.
2) Part Two is a "Technical" Video Forum where there is no flaming, no price comparisons, no snide remarks or insinuations - just a in-depth flamless discussion of the HW. Perhaps it could be *flexible* about what is discussed - but it would be heavily moderated
*(2)* is to basically leave it alone and ENFORCE the rules with more moderation, ala Keys' comments
2nd EDIT
There are more suggestions .. ONE more (3) is to create a new "P&N style" new Tech Forum for ALL the hot topics - lightly moderated. ANY topic in ANY tech forum will be moved OUT of ANY Tech Forum when it gets "HOT" and the participants will be automatically notified by email [as now, when a topic is moved] so the intense debating can continue and the rest of us wouldn't even notice.
ANOTHER idea - (4) - is a single stickied "Hot Topic" thread at the top of Video for "in-you-face" P&N type discussions for those that love it - and it would be largely UNmoderated - like a "pressure release" where 2 or members members can really go face-to-face up-close and real "personal"-like
the OTHER 3 - [5,6, and 7] - are by justly - and can be implemented easily right NOW with no real "changes" but an expansion and clarification of what we have.
EDIT: i made a poll ... and i just had to edit "view results" to more accurately reflect it IS a vote "view results/no opinion"
Sorry
EDIT - Thanks to the powers that be that revived this topic. Mahalo
i also edited it to remove a poll that probably belongs best in PFI - basically IS being discussed in PFI - do not mention it here, please!
Many times an innocent question will turn into a flame fest or an intelligent observation will get drowned-out by the clamor of fanboys trying to shout louder than the others, as though the actual 'number' of opinions makes something "right". It used to be this way and it appears it is returning to chaos.
i would like everyone here that cares, to weigh in and see what we can do to have calm, intelligent discussions at ATF Video. i think this is very "on topic".
i'd like to hear your opinions. For me, i'd like to get *less involved* in the heated debates and concentrate on the more helpful aspects of Video Forum - especially benchmarking which has become somewhat of a passion for me. i really DO think NVIDIA really IS "the performance leader". i have no problem with saying that as long as i can ALSO say that AMD has always provided me with an excellent "alternative" as the budget solution with no disadvantages to this practical gamer.
So personally, while i *admire* GX2 and would love to get my grubby mitts on one to compare with my own [to be coming] Tri-FrankenFire, i also think it is priced to high for an interim solution. So buy whatever the heck you feel you need to. i gave my opinion. i don't need to go over and over, round and round, saying essentially the *same* thing to each other - and escalating the negativity that is building again in Video Forum.
You guys *know* that we are one of the top 3 Video Forums on the 'net, don't you? We are even "attacked" by other tech sites and they will notice and point to our loss of credibility. i don't want to see that.
And you also need to realize that we are the target - by all the major manufacturers - for Viral marketing. Let me give you a little example - Let's say that we "influence" 2,000 sales of GX2 - we are actually affecting NVIDIA's bottom line by over 1 million dollars. And think that some of us are fans of either company and we also influence our friends and acquaintances - for many years and many more to come. And perhaps you should be aware that some of this confusion is deliberately caused by some that are jealous of us.
Now, you should know that Focus Groups of AMD and NVIDIA are supposed to be HELPFUL! ... not tear to the forums apart. And i make a special appeal to them - whoever they are - to not foul our nest here. it is to ALL of our advantages to have sane discussions here that will *educate*
EDIT:
What do you think of splitting Video into 2 forums?
- i don't have ANY idea if they would actually do it ... but
1) Part One is *exactly* like this one - but with little to no moderation - "General Video Discussions" .. maybe the 'what should i buy' can also go here, no idea.
2) Part Two is a "Technical" Video Forum where there is no flaming, no price comparisons, no snide remarks or insinuations - just a in-depth flamless discussion of the HW. Perhaps it could be *flexible* about what is discussed - but it would be heavily moderated
*(2)* is to basically leave it alone and ENFORCE the rules with more moderation, ala Keys' comments
2nd EDIT
There are more suggestions .. ONE more (3) is to create a new "P&N style" new Tech Forum for ALL the hot topics - lightly moderated. ANY topic in ANY tech forum will be moved OUT of ANY Tech Forum when it gets "HOT" and the participants will be automatically notified by email [as now, when a topic is moved] so the intense debating can continue and the rest of us wouldn't even notice.
ANOTHER idea - (4) - is a single stickied "Hot Topic" thread at the top of Video for "in-you-face" P&N type discussions for those that love it - and it would be largely UNmoderated - like a "pressure release" where 2 or members members can really go face-to-face up-close and real "personal"-like
the OTHER 3 - [5,6, and 7] - are by justly - and can be implemented easily right NOW with no real "changes" but an expansion and clarification of what we have.
1. Make a thread similar to the one Blain made for the "General hardware" forum that applies only to video cards
2. Convince the moderators to aggressively lock threads when the "topic title" is obviously intended to slander a specific card/brand by not accurately conveying a problem (a warning could be given to the OP first to allow them to edit the "topic title").
3. Request that "focus group members" refrain from posting negative information about a competitors products (unless they actually own the product they are posting negative information about, or they are only elaborating about a problem on said product that is already being discussed in the thread). IMO "focus group members" should make every attempt to abide by the saying "if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all" (after all a good product should sell itself, without the need to discredit the competition).
EDIT: i made a poll ... and i just had to edit "view results" to more accurately reflect it IS a vote "view results/no opinion"
Sorry
EDIT - Thanks to the powers that be that revived this topic. Mahalo
i also edited it to remove a poll that probably belongs best in PFI - basically IS being discussed in PFI - do not mention it here, please!