Originally posted by: SteelSix
Yep, nV vs. ATi w/AA would be good.
While ur at it how about nVidia vs. nVidia. In cases where say a G92 GTS outperforms a GTX, look at the resolutions. 1280x1024 w/ no AA, who the heck games with that? To bench such a resolution w/no AA is silly, and it begs to question if a reviewer is fishing for results.
Time to evolve... start reviews at 1680x1050 and include at least a 2x AA bench for it and 1600x1200.
Originally posted by: wired247
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Yep, nV vs. ATi w/AA would be good.
While ur at it how about nVidia vs. nVidia. In cases where say a G92 GTS outperforms a GTX, look at the resolutions. 1280x1024 w/ no AA, who the heck games with that? To bench such a resolution w/no AA is silly, and it begs to question if a reviewer is fishing for results.
Time to evolve... start reviews at 1680x1050 and include at least a 2x AA bench for it and 1600x1200.
lol...... I game with my 720p plasma which is 1280x768
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
great let's run Crysis with those settings
- after all, it's 2008
:roll:
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
great let's run Crysis with those settings
- after all, it's 2008
:roll:
Sure, you can't do it with Crysis, but 6 out of the 9 games benched by AT in the 3870 X2 review had fps at 80+. Many of those were over 100... Time to bump up the IQ a bit.
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
great let's run Crysis with those settings
- after all, it's 2008
:roll:
Sure, you can't do it with Crysis, but 6 out of the 9 games benched by AT in the 3870 X2 review had fps at 80+. Many of those were over 100... Time to bump up the IQ a bit.
Agreed
i was trying to convey a bit of ironyOriginally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
great let's run Crysis with those settings
- after all, it's 2008
:roll:
Sure, you can't do it with Crysis, but 6 out of the 9 games benched by AT in the 3870 X2 review had fps at 80+. Many of those were over 100... Time to bump up the IQ a bit.
Agreed
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
great let's run Crysis with those settings
- after all, it's 2008
:roll:
Sure, you can't do it with Crysis, but 6 out of the 9 games benched by AT in the 3870 X2 review had fps at 80+. Many of those were over 100... Time to bump up the IQ a bit.
Originally posted by: Scoop
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
great let's run Crysis with those settings
- after all, it's 2008
:roll:
Sure, you can't do it with Crysis, but 6 out of the 9 games benched by AT in the 3870 X2 review had fps at 80+. Many of those were over 100... Time to bump up the IQ a bit.
If the game doesn't have AA settings in game, I don't think they should be forced on and shouldn't be benchmarked using them. And the only game which had such high FPS with 4xAA was HL2. Now how old is this game? OOOOOOLD. Even if it's Ep2.. COD4 took an almost 40fps hit when 4xAA was set @ 1920x1200 so with 8xAA that would most likely make the game unplayable with the HD 3870 X2.
What resolution does your monitor top out at? I'll bet a high-end rig could do 4xAA and even 8xAA at your resolution.great let's run Crysis with those settings - after all, it's 2008
But you don't even run a high resolution so why are you concerned?it's 2008 ... and to bench @ 8xAA/16XAF we need pre'07 games to get playable FPS at high resolutions.
I can only think of one game that uses deferred rendering that doesn't allow AA and that's Stalker.I'd agree, but too many games are using deferred shading these days...
What a load of nonsense.If the game doesn't have AA settings in game, I don't think they should be forced on and shouldn't be benchmarked using them.
What a load of nonsense.And the only game which had such high FPS with 4xAA was HL2.
i doubt it ... 16x12 with all settings "very high" in DX10 and not dropping below 30 FPS [in the last chapter] ... you try it and let us know how smooth it is; i doubt my Xfire rig can manage it at 10x7Originally posted by: BFG10K
What resolution does your monitor top out at? I'll bet a high-end rig could do 4xAA and even 8xAA at your resolution.great let's run Crysis with those settings - after all, it's 2008
But you don't even run a high resolution so why are you concerned?it's 2008 ... and to bench @ 8xAA/16XAF we need pre'07 games to get playable FPS at high resolutions.
Originally posted by: Vikendios
Resolution is the key factor. I always use 2650 x 1600 on my Dell monitor, and AA becomes a non-issue because pixel size is so small. Crysis, Witcher, Oblivion, are all better at high resolution and no AA, rather than lo res and high AA.
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Benchmarks with 16xAF combined with 4xAA and 8xAA should be mandatory. It's 2008 for heaven's sake.
great let's run Crysis with those settings
- after all, it's 2008
:roll:
Sure, you can't do it with Crysis, but 6 out of the 9 games benched by AT in the 3870 X2 review had fps at 80+. Many of those were over 100... Time to bump up the IQ a bit.
Nobody runs Crysis like that regardless of the resolution. Invariably some detail levels are reduced, even if you?re running tri-SLI with no AA.i doubt it ... 16x12 with all settings "very high" in DX10 and not dropping below 30 FPS [in the last chapter] ... you try it and let us know how smooth it is; i doubt my Xfire rig can manage it at 10x7
You're the one that was talking about high resolutions; 1600x1200 is a middling resolution at best.and Why are you concerned ? -
All the more reason to use high AA levels in testing.considering that 99% of gamers play at 16x10 or below
Then for practical purposes they're running CPU tests even though they claim they're testing graphics cards. Also 4xAA/8xAA can be tested regardless of what resolution the masses use.Most reviewers are concerned with the practical gaming considerations of most of us
Originally posted by: apoppin
Most reviewers are concerned with the practical gaming considerations of most of us - not the very few loud and demanding HW snobs who represent than 1% of PC gamers.
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: apoppin
Most reviewers are concerned with the practical gaming considerations of most of us - not the very few loud and demanding HW snobs who represent than 1% of PC gamers.
It's not about being snobbish at all. I read benchmarks because I want to see a comparative analysis between 2 (or more) cards. IMO, it's better to bench at settings that really push the hardware as it gives you a better idea of what it can and can't handle. I'm more interested in what it won't do than what it will. I assume that a high end GPU will play most current games out well enough, which the 8-series and HD3870 cards do, I want to see what games and settings really push them though and how well they handle AA.