nVidia: "We expected more from the 7970"

[VulgarDisplay]

le sigh...

If you're going to bash and say "omg gtx 480 improved sooo much over 285, why u no haz same improvement AMD", at least continue the comparison like you did for GTX, with 7970 vs 6970.

61% faster than 6970 in Batman AA, 9% faster than 580.
44% faster than 6970 in BF3, 16% faster than 580
36% faster than 6970 in Skyrim, 18% faster than 580
56% faster than 6970 in DE:HR, 29% faster than 580
72% faster than 6970 in Batman AA Eyefinity, 19% faster than 580
36% faster than 6970 in BF3 Eyefinity, 20% faster than 580
57% faster than 6970 in DE:HR Eyefinity, 38% faster than 580

Overall about 51% faster than 6970 at equal settings, on average. With release drivers, stock clocks of course. And you're about right, 21% on average improvement over 580. This is all taken from just one review site.

Overclocking? The gap widens even further.

If you're any good at math, you can extrapolate these numbers to show improvements over 6970.

I understand the desperation around here to take any and all light away from whatever competes with their favorite product, but damn... be more subtle with the hate lol, you're doing it wrong

They are comparing to an overclocked gtx580 also.

 

[nOOky]

People sure seem to be concerned with whether or not the HD7970 is a "value". Those of us that bought one are "trying to justify the purchase" because it is perceived by them to be too expensive. Baloney. I bought one because it is the fastest single gpu card you can buy today, even more so when I moved the sliders all the way to the right in CCC and it didn't flinch. It is faster than my previous Crossfired HD6870's with all of the advantages of a single card and none of the disadvantages of 2 cards.
If you can't afford $550 for a graphics card, either get a better job, or stick with mid-range lower performing cards. The comments about people paying too much for the HD7970 are getting tiring. Those of us that have one can afford it, and why buy something that's a better "value" when in fact you can afford better?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Gotta love the get a better job comments thrown around. It's $550 not 10K. You could work at minimum wage and scrap together $550.

 

[JAG87]

All this talk about the 7970 performance being lack luster is crap. Maybe at the incrediblely conservative stock clocks the cards are only moderately faster than all the other single GPU cards but even just using the sliders in CCC the card quickly distances itself closing on the dual GPU microstuttering monsters. The vast majority of cards I have heard about are a 2 second visit in to CCC overdrive away from incredible perfomance.

This is coming form the mouth of somebody who was a very loving owner of an awesome GTX 580.


People were raving about GTX 460's for the same merit. They performed great at stock levels and awesome when overclocked. Why does the 7970 not get the same love from some of the same people?

It doesn't get the same love because

1) It's a flagship product
2) It costs way more than the 460
3) Overclocking should NEVER be taken into account

For $550, I want AMD to release the card at 1125 MHz. I want warranted performance out of the box, not luck of the draw. And those of you that are thinking they held the card back so they could have a refresh ready... this is utter bullshit. No company operates like that. If the 7970 could perform all of it's tasks at 1125 MHz, pass QA, and last for the warranted period, it would have been released as such.

 

[SpicyTime]

They tested like 15 DX11 titles, also they did 1600p, but I figured I'd post what's relative to me which isn't a $1000 screen.

6% faster on average at 1200p over 15 titles.

Why would you buy a 7970 if you game at 1200p? $500+ GPUs are for 30" or eyefinity resolutions. Review sites are doing it right if they focus their numbers at those resolutions. If you have a 1200p monitor, then wait for GK104, 7870, or buy a 6950 / 560Ti.

 

[nOOky]

Gotta love the get a better job comments thrown around. It's $550 not 10K. You could work at minimum wage and scrap together $550.

I would think if one really is an "enthusiast" they could find a way to have the best for themselves ; )
The comments are retaliation for being spoken of as foolish for paying so much for a single card. So much debate about price, when in fact the price is justified.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Because it still only manages 60-70 fps average at 1200p?

It's not some god card.


Only new people equate enthusiast to "spent the most".

 

[SirPauly]

lol desperation, that's funny.

Hard tested what, 4 games at 1600p?

They tested like 15 DX11 titles, also they did 1600p, but I figured I'd post what's relative to me which isn't a $1000 screen.

6% faster on average at 1200p over 15 titles.

That's interesting can you offer a link for this?

 

[Vesku]

For $550, I want AMD to release the card at 1125 MHz. I want warranted performance out of the box, not luck of the draw.

I'd expect warrantied cards in that clock range to be arriving in Feb/March but they won't be $550. Unless NVIDIA has launched 28nm with aggressive pricing, then they may be able to hit that price.

Personally, if NVIDIA can launch a GTX580 equivalent 28nm mid-range card (higher clocks on 256-bit bus) for around $300 then I'll be all set for my May-ish GPU buy.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

That's interesting can you offer a link for this?

http://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/test...ition/benchmarks.php?benchmark=pfd11&lang=eng

1600p shows about a 20% increase on avg (stock vs stock).

 

[GaiaHunter]

3) Overclocking should NEVER be taken into account

Exactly.

Phenom X4 over Q6600 and Q9300 for gaming all the way, since Overclocking should NEVER be taken into account...

 

[chimaxi83]

lol desperation, that's funny.

Hard tested what, 4 games at 1600p?

They tested like 15 DX11 titles, also they did 1600p, but I figured I'd post what's relative to me which isn't a $1000 screen.

6% faster on average at 1200p over 15 titles.

Yea, desperation, kinda like when you were claiming 7970 is nothing compared to 470SLI. I'll bring that up because you mentioned "what's relative to me". Even in Anandtechs own GPU bench 2011, 470SLI average FPS over 580 is a measly 11.6% across 10 different games at 1920*1200. ~12% over 580, but yet it beats 7970 lol :whiste: Yes, it beats it in price, and at power consumption. On top of that, you're proven wrong, and come back with "hey cool story bro, you can turn tess back on in CCC lulz". Desperation.

That's off topic, but its an example of desperation displayed on these boards, and you're most definitely not the first or the worst. I'm just pointing out the incessant bashing and thread crapping, sorry I used you as an example.

Better job comments is like picking at scraps now, what else are they going to come up with? It's /facepalm worthy, and I'm far from any fanboy, GTX cards outnumber Radeon in my household by 4 to 1 heh.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It's slower than my 470s, cost more too.

You guys drone on about overclocking because you've had those 5xxx and 6xxx cards for two years, my 470s can do 57% core overclocks, figure that out.

I wasn't proven wrong derp, he was disabling tess getting 47% increases in performance over stock, laughable that you should use that in your defense.

 

[-Slacker-]

What's a tweakpc and how do you eat it? Do you have to cherry pick the ingredients or ...?

It's slower than my 470s, cost more too.

What are these mystical SLI gtx470s that are faster than a hd7970 and how do you eat them?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

It's slower than my 470s, cost more too.

You guys drone on about overclocking because you've had those 5xxx and 6xxx cards for two years, my 470s can do 57% core overclocks, figure that out.

I wasn't proven wrong derp, he was disabling tess getting 47% increases in performance over stock, laughable that you should use that in your defense.

Take the water cooler off. Then you'd probably get a whopping 1% overclock before they went supernova.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Let's not go OT, but thankfully I do have water.

31C load @ 900 core, silly silly water coolers

 

[SirPauly]

http://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/test...ition/benchmarks.php?benchmark=pfd11&lang=eng

1600p shows about a 20% increase on avg (stock vs stock).

Thank you!

 

[IlllI]

i'm still waiting for NV to open a can of whoop-ass on intel

 

[Lonyo]

Let's not go OT, but thankfully I do have water.

31C load @ 900 core, silly silly water coolers

You got dual GTX470s and a watercooling setup for less than $550?

 

[exar333]

I want every new gen to be like going from the 4870 to the 5870. Give me 60-70% more performance everytime. I know it's not realistic, but I want it...

 

[exar333]

Take the water cooler off. Then you'd probably get a whopping 1% overclock before they went supernova.

That's very inacaurrate. The 470 was a VERY good overclocker, although it did use a lot of power. When it was released, it was a much better value than the 480 because it OC'd to above 480 speeds for a decent amount of $$$ less. When the 4xx series was discontinued, these could be had for <$200 (which was a steal) and were awesome to get a pair for SLI.

 

[ugaboga232]

The reason its only "6%" is because you decided to use a graph that sets the 100% at a much faster card...

If you set the 580 as the 100% mark, the 7970 would have a larger percentage increase. That explains some of the difference.

Basically that graph is not showing what you want it to.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I want every new gen to be like going from the 4870 to the 5870. Give me 60-70% more performance everytime. I know it's not realistic, but I want it...

For $550 I expect it.

 

[Lepton87]

Let's not go OT, but thankfully I do have water.



31C load @ 900 core, silly silly water coolers

What's your ambient temp? 5C? Because I will never believe that something which puts out in excess of 200W on 500mm2 can be only 5C-10C warmer than ambient.

 

[Vesku]

Who's with me to going down to NVIDIA's house and demanding a $300 GTX 580 on 28nm? What do we want? A $300 GTX 580 on 28nm! When do we want it? NOW!

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