nVidia: "We expected more from the 7970"

[sandorski]

Internet: "We expected more from Nvidia"

 

[Skurge]

Since you missed it the first time...


Now if you really want to continue to back someone who is claiming a 80% increase in performance over stock that's fine, just don't act like I'm the one spreading misinformation.

Who cares about 2560x1600, those screens cost more than your entire setup.

Wasn't the other guy with the 7970 at 1125 running a stock cpu? I can't remember.

I was talking about the games, I couldn't care less about 3Dmark11. You realize the guy you benched against, MRK6 has a 2560x1600 monitor right? So in this case it matters. You picked 2 games to prove your 470s were faster, that's a pretty small selection. Who knows maybe you picked the games where you cards scaled the most.

 

[96Firebird]

Unless my math is wrong, it is 60% between the 580 and 5850... Here is how I got it, assuming 5850 is 100%:

61.8/38.5 = 1.605 - 100% = 60.5%

No?

 

[Arzachel]

If I wanted to see bars I'd go to prison.

A similar argument could be made against you by people, who are unwilling to deal with Sli/crossfire, but you seem to be enjoying your rig. It might be surprising, but people tend to have differing needs and wants

 

[Lepton87]

No, it's almost 40% faster according to that chart.



If I wanted to see bars I'd go to prison.

How do you guys come up with that numbers? On that chart GTX580 is 60% faster than 5850. Learn some math.

 

[OCGuy]

Internet: "We expected more from Nvidia"

Well any honest person would say this. Hell, it was on their own slide to be out by now. But we can't be disappointed in the 7970 because two completely seperate large companies with 1,000,000 moving parts aren't synched up with their release schedules?

 

[Skurge]

Wow, what a compelling argument!!!

We were talking about resolution and how it's "prohibitively expensive" to game at a resolution above 1920x1200, BTW.

He does tend to do that, change to conditions to suit his argument. I'm getting a couple of monitors in the next few months for eyefinity so high resolution gaming matters to some people.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'm not arguing anything here, I'm stating what I think.

If you want an argument take it to PMs, this forum is filled with enough **** already.


No profanity in the tech forums, please.

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[96Firebird]

How do you guys come up with that numbers? On that chart GTX580 is 60% faster than 5850. Learn some math.

Glad I wasn't the only one who got that figure...

 

[Skurge]

How do you guys come up with that numbers? On that chart GTX580 is 60% faster than 5850. Learn some math.

Seems like a pretty big issue around here. I'm not great at math myself, so I stay away from it, but 23% then 31% then 40%?

Rofl.

 

[Corporate Thug]

I would expect a company to not comment on their competitor's products? That Kyle quote above sums it up pretty good.

why not? Just look at car commercials...also, many sites and reviewers have made similar comments, so what's wrong with NV employees doing it?

 

[OCGuy]

The fact that a single chart was put up and we had 3 completely different conclusions on the same % shows a lot.

What did Kyle say when AMD PR sent out a release showing a Bulldozer knocking down a "Sandy Bridge" on a beach on Valentines Day?

Faux-outrage....just dont do it.

 

[Arzachel]

Well any honest person would say this. Hell, it was on their own slide to be out by now. But we can't be disappointed in the 7970 because two completely seperate large companies with 1,000,000 moving parts aren't synched up with their release schedules?

That's the thing, it's not that AMD and Nvidia aren't synced up, it's that AMD and Nvidia are both synced to TSMC. One being faster means the other is messing up somewhere.

 

[Lepton87]

The fact that a single chart was put up and we had 3 completely different conclusions on the same % shows a lot.

Yes, that we have seriously screwed education system around the world. It's ELEMENTARY math that 10 year-old kids are expected to know.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Unless my math is wrong, it is 60% between the 580 and 5850... Here is how I got it, assuming 5850 is 100%:

61.8/38.5 = 1.605 - 100% = 60.5%

No?

Yeah my bad on the percent I dunno why I said 40, that doesn't make any sense at all :hmm:


Unless I'm retarded... Isn't 52.7 to 91.7 an increase of 74% fps?

 

[OCGuy]

That's the thing, it's not that AMD and Nvidia aren't synced up, it's that AMD and Nvidia are both synced to TSMC. One being faster means the other is messing up somewhere.

So first to market = win? Unfortuantely the marketshare-gain retention by AMD with the first DX11 cards was poor.

 

[sontin]

That's the thing, it's not that AMD and Nvidia aren't synced up, it's that AMD and Nvidia are both synced to TSMC. One being faster means the other is messing up somewhere.

And they are both dependent on TSMC. It's not anymore about first to the market. It's more to have the better architecture to survive the time to the next shrink.

 

[blastingcap]

That's the thing, it's not that AMD and Nvidia aren't synced up, it's that AMD and Nvidia are both synced to TSMC. One being faster means the other is messing up somewhere.

Charlie repeatedly mentioned that Kepler would have features that he couldn't talk about... that it would hold a big surprise that Nvidia would exploit a la Crysis 2's tessellation. Perhaps the added features and debugging them, are what are holding up Nvidia. A card being delayed doesn't necessarily mean it's the GPU hardware that is at fault (indeed, Charlie even says that it looks like relatively smooth sailing on that front, though I have my doubts). It could be a software driver or debug delay.

I really hope Kepler has single-GPU 3+ monitor support, but I don't think that's what Charlie was talking about.

If one card has features ABC and is launched first, and the other has features ABCD and launches second, then it is again not an apples to apples comparison due to the latter card's larger feature set.

 

[96Firebird]

I really hope Kepler has single-GPU 3+ monitor support, but I don't think that's what Charlie was talking about.

This. AND I hope they fix the issue with clocks not going to idle when more than 1 monitor without the same resolution or refresh rate are active...

 

[Vesku]

This. AND I hope they fix the issue with clocks not going to idle when more than 1 monitor without the same resolution or refresh rate are active...

I sold my GTS 450 partly because of a similar issue, clocks would get stuck at idle with different resolutions.

 

[Lepton87]

I really hope Kepler has single-GPU 3+ monitor support, but I don't think that's what Charlie was talking about.

It's always seemed like a useless gimmick to me on a gaming card. A single card is not powerful enough to drive 3 monitors anyway. I have 4 gpus driving one monitor and it's not always enough to enable all the features I want. (mainly SSAA)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

NV Inspector should fix that, but it's third party

 

[blastingcap]

It's always seemed like a useless gimmick to me on a gaming card. A single card is not powerful enough to drive 3 monitors anyway. I have 4 gpus driving one monitor and it's not always enough to enable all the features I want. (mainly SSAA)

A single 5850 or 6850, overclocked, was enough to run some of my favorite games at 1680x1050x3 (L4D2, TF2, DAO, Fallout 3/NV, etc.) at pretty good settings. For higher res or more demanding games at higher settings, it's a different story, of course. But then, I would get good performance at 1680x1050. To each his (or her) own.

 

[96Firebird]

It's always seemed like a useless gimmick to me on a gaming card. A single card is not powerful enough to drive 3 monitors anyway. I have 4 gpus driving one monitor and it's not always enough to enable all the features I want. (mainly SSAA)

I just want 3-monitor support so I can keep all of my displays hooked up at the same time... Have the main screen, the work screen, and then the TV hooked up for movies/Netflix/etc. So when I'm doing CAD work, or Excel work, I can keep that screen up all the time while using the other monitor for whatever. I am probably a pretty unique case, but it would be a nice thing to have...

And Vesku, I just disable my TV using Win + P when its not in use, keeps the temps cooler.

 

[blastingcap]

I just want 3-monitor support so I can keep all of my displays hooked up at the same time... Have the main screen, the work screen, and then the TV hooked up for movies/Netflix/etc. So when I'm doing CAD work, or Excel work, I can keep that screen up all the time while using the other monitor for whatever. I am probably a pretty unique case, but it would be a nice thing to have...

And Vesku, I just disable my TV using Win + P when its not in use, keeps the temps cooler.

Yeah having it all chained to one card would make it easier to selectively disable screens, too, to save power and wear and tear on monitors that I am paying zero attention to. Right now because I stupidly sold off my DP adapter, I can only run 2 monitors on my GPU and the third off my mainboard's IGP, making for more headaches when switching monitor modes.