nVidia wins this round - Charlie D.

[railven]

Have personalized nothing.

I also had the Radeon 64 vivo, Radeon 8500, 9700 Pro, 9800 Pro, 9800 XT, X850XTPE, x1900XTX CrossFire. But as of late been more of a performance, sweet spot buyer -- 8800 GT, GTX 260 and GTX 470.

Will talk later with financials from the players and market share -- and when Kepler is out. We can move forward and just agree to disagree for now.

How does this work, you complain about the price range you aren't even interested in buying into regardless of team?

Someone quote Voltaire for me.

 

[railven]

If nVidia launches awesome hardware at a low price it will be good for everyone. ATI will not make stupid huge margins on video cards and the consumer will win with a choice between two different more reasonably priced graphics cards.

YAY CAPITALISM!!!

Woah, this guy gets it! There is hope

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[Grooveriding]

How does this work, you complain about the price range you aren't even interested in buying into regardless of team?

Someone quote Voltaire for me.

What's more is the painting of AMD with the price/performance brush for their 4870/4850 and 5870/5850 strategy, then stating to be a buyer of that exact metric, yet not having purchased any of those cards.

He's just looking out for all those buyers of GPU crown parts I guess, making sure they spend their money properly. :awe:

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[railven]

What's more is the painting of AMD with the price/performance brush for their 4870/4850 and 5870/5850 strategy, then stating to be a buyer of that exact metric, yet not having purchased any of those cards.

He's just looking out for all those buyers of GPU crown parts I guess, making sure they spend their money properly. :awe:

Premiums! Significant! NODE CHANGE!

Someone has to look out for the 1%

Go Premiums!

 

[96Firebird]

Looks like the kids have the day off school today...

If GK104 is really $300, I will be keeping my eye on it. That is exactly how much I want to spend, my GTX 460 deserves the spot in the HTPC...

 

[railven]

Looks like the kids have the day off school today...

hey kettle long time no see.

 

[SirPauly]

How does this work, you complain about the price range you aren't even interested in buying into regardless of team?

Someone quote Voltaire for me.

That's not true -- if I did see more premium value I would.

 

[SirPauly]

What's more is the painting of AMD with the price/performance brush for their 4870/4850 and 5870/5850 strategy, then stating to be a buyer of that exact metric, yet not having purchased any of those cards.

Those were the days when performance value was redefined and very welcomed, indeed. The days when there was a commitment.

 

[lifeblood]

So nVidias GK104 (GTX 660) will be faster than the 7950 and cost approx $200 less? Am I reading this right? No way, not going to happen. I don't believe it. It simply goes beyond reasonable explanation as to how they could pull it off.

BTW, don't confuse "Don't believe it" with "Don't like it". If it happens I will like it very very much.

 

[Idontcare]

So Charlie is saying a $300 card is going to beat a $450 (7950) one? The day nvidia plays the cost card to undercut AMD is the day we get rides on unicorns that crap skittles.

Is that where skittles come from? I do love me some skittles, and unicorns (with some chianti of course), so I am really looking forward to this glorious day you speak of!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So nVidias GK104 (GTX 660) will be faster than the 7950 and cost approx $200 less? Am I reading this right? No way, not going to happen. I don't believe it. It simply goes beyond reasonable explanation as to how they could pull it off.

BTW, don't confuse "Don't believe it" with "Don't like it". If it happens I will like it very very much.

So you're of the beleif that AMD wouldn't gouge their customers because they were first out of the gate despite nobody actually knowing what kind of performance Nvidia's new cards would bring?

Where can I reach AMD on the physic hotline?

 

[railven]

So you're of the beleif that AMD wouldn't gouge their customers because they were first out of the gate despite nobody actually knowing what kind of performance Nvidia's new cards would bring?

Where can I reach AMD on the physic hotline?

You do realize he's talking about nVidia, not AMD?

AMD has already gouged their userbase. That bridge was passed YEARS ago. Suddenly outragous priced component parts is new for enthusiast? /shrug

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You do understand it doesn't matter "who" he was talking about, my problem was the logic behind the thought.

Let's stay on topic.

 

[3DVagabond]

When people are comparing performance increase from one node to the next power needs to be factored in. Consider that with this gen the manufacturers will be working within the same,or maybe less, TDP as the last gen (Actually 2 gens, where nVidia is concerned). Some of these past massive performance jumps also incurred major increases in TDP, did they not?

I believe the major reason for the 7970 being so "underclocked" is TDP. It also helps with yields, which at this point in TSMC's 28nm process from what we're being led to believe, is more important than usual.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I think what Ben means (could be wrong here) is that it is a catastrophic failure when a competitors top new gen flagship is only at maximum 35% faster than the competitors last gen flagship. Also, he was comparing GTX285 performance over 2900XT (new gen flagship over last gen competitors flagship) to AMD7970 performance over GTX580 (new gen flagship over last gen competitors flagship).

By this logic, then Kepler will be a catastrophic failure of monumental proportions, because it could very well end up being slower than Fermi.

 

[railven]

You do understand it doesn't matter "who" he was talking about, my problem was the logic behind the thought.

Let's stay on topic.

You went off topic, then told me to stay on topic for responding to you? What's that about logic fail?

Hey, if his "logic" is right, we all owe IDC a kudos, he threw the price fixing theory into the hat first.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

What are you talking about? We were discussing the cards and their relative "presumed' performance based on what is currently outs cost.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

A radical new departure from a prev. Arch? Directly into a new node? Massive Tdp? Desperate attempts at damage control from the rumor mill to ameliorate opponent's sales? AND product name manipulation?

OOH BOI, AI SMAYLL ME A BULL-DAWZER!

It will be called Kobbler.

 

[blastingcap]

Speaking of new nodes, TSMC's 28nm is apparently riddled with problems. Tell me something I don't know, right? Still...

http://cdn.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4234961/TSMC-manufacturing-process-in-trouble

 

[Keysplayr]

By this logic, then Kepler will be a catastrophic failure of monumental proportions, because it could very well end up being slower than Fermi.

That's logic? Not on my planet.

Anyway, I guess I misunderstood Ben. Sorry guys.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Since GK104 is rumored to have between 640 and 768 SP..

I figured I'd do a quick and dirty run against an overclocked 7970 and an overclocked 7950 /w 7970 bios (no shaders unlocked)...

Heaven is a texture heavy benchmark, offset by the large amount of tessellation on just about every object in the benchmark.

My 470s in SLI have 896 cuda cores total, since we don't know the TMU's // ROPs (or really anything/else) for the GK104 we'll just ignore that.

Anyways I think it's entirely possible for Nvidia to step up to overclocked 7970 levels with their mainstream gpu based on what I've seen.

It really depends on a lot of things, such as TMU's, ROPs, Poly units, clock speeds, core refinements, power usage, performance per clock/watt...

But I think to say Nvidia can't reach that level of performance with 700SP~ clocked around 1GHz is more of a stretch than to say they can't.

 

[Lonyo]

Mainstream is determined by price, not level within the entire GPU lineup.
It remains to be seen what level GK104 is in terms of price.

 

[3DVagabond]

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Sorry, but I am missing what the correlation is between your 2x470's and the GK104? Besides what you've already mentioned as unknowns, which is virtually everything, we have no idea at all how Fermi CUDA cores compare with Kepler's.

 

[Lonyo]

Speaking of new nodes, TSMC's 28nm is apparently riddled with problems. Tell me something I don't know, right? Still...

http://cdn.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4234961/TSMC-manufacturing-process-in-trouble

Which 28nm process?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Sorry, but I am missing what the correlation is between your 2x470's and the GK104? Besides what you've already mentioned as unknowns, which is virtually everything, we have no idea at all how Fermi CUDA cores compare with Kepler's.

Speculation, what else are we doing in this thread?

I'd just assume Nvida isn't going to go backwards in per core cuda performance.

But yes, until we know exactly what we're looking at as far as specs such as TMU/ROP/Poly everyone is just stating opinions based on information they got from their nether regions.