nVidia wins this round - Charlie D.

[Grooveriding]

Seems odd.

It was odd and all came from a forum post on Chiphell from a random user that then gets posted on Tom's Hardware as a rumour ?

Chiphell has come out and said it was not from them or their sources, they feel it was nvidia viral marketing to spread rumours and stifle AMD sales and have banned further posts of that nature.

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-349828-1-1.html

A poor translation of Chiphell's moderator reaction

Several media are a variety of domestic Kepler low prices, HD7900 will follow the diving like the article, take a look at the foreign media, who did not even reported, along with some media editors forum explosive in the major so-called "material "It is clear that a variety of moves NV's marketing activities in the water behind the army to suppress the HD7900 as well as leading the sales momentum, CHH to see these posts I will lock posts, I hope the members can self-load.

Entirely possible after the load of crap that was spread for six months while the 5870 was alone on the market.

 

[SirPauly]

How does that explain Charlies beaming nVidia accolades?

Part of nVidia's PR and viral network??

 

[Grooveriding]

How does that explain Charlies beaming nVidia accolades?

Part of nVidia's PR and viral network??

Maybe you should ask him if you are so concerned with his rumours.

Who knows. We're all aware of nvidia's long history of viral marketing in tech forums...

 

[96Firebird]

Get the tin foil hats on, soon they will be reading our minds!

 

[SirPauly]

Maybe you should ask him if you are so concerned with his rumours.

Who knows. We're all aware of nvidia's long history of viral marketing in tech forums...

Fair point but considering most of the data and discussion points are coming from Charlie -- find it very hard to believe he is part of nVidia's PR and viral programs considering his past ramblings.

If anything, nVidia has been quiet and quite odd.

 

[ader098]

Fair point but considering most of the data and discussion points are coming from Charlie -- find it very hard to believe he is part of nVidia's PR and viral programs considering his past ramblings.

If anything, nVidia has been quiet and quite odd.

I'm waiting for Nvidias reaction to the 7950 launch. If they remain quite and don't show/leak any info on their upcoming cards I'm going to assume that their upcoming cards aren't going to be much faster than the 7900 series.

If they did have faster cards, why would they sit quietly and let AMD rack up on sales?

 

[Lepton87]

If they did have faster cards, why would they sit quietly and let AMD rack up on sales?

Because their cards won't launch for another 6 months? But looking at the past they did exactly that brag when GF100 was nowhere to be seen.

 

[SirPauly]

When nVidia was late with the GeForce 5800 and GeForce GTX 480 - they offered a lot of PR.

I don't know if this series is actually late from nVidia's point-of-view or having execution problems like the above but one can make the point this time -- there isn't much of anything coming from nVidia.

What does this mean?

I don't know; it's just odd.

 

[blastingcap]

When nVidia was late with the GeForce 5800 and GeForce GTX 480 - they offered a lot of PR.

I don't know if this series is actually late from nVidia's point-of-view or having execution problems like the above but one can make the point this time -- there isn't much of anything coming from nVidia.

What does this mean?

I don't know; it's just odd.

We know TSMC has had problems in the past, so it's believable that they are working out the kinks on 28nm and Nvidia assumed AMD would have the same problems Nvidia has with working on TSMC and thus not launch until yields were improved.

Maybe AMD launced 7970 anyway, despite lackluster yields, with the idea being to grab halo card status and sell out the initial batch, then by the time that sells out, have another batch done with hopefully better yields.

In other words maybe Nvidia is not late, but AMD is early, and now Nvidia feels pressure to launch early, too, yields be damned.

Or maybe TSMC suddenly and unexpectedly fixed enough problems, moving both AMD and Nvidia timetables up, but AMD was "readier" to move its timetable up for whatever reason.

Or perhaps AMD did a better job of engineering around TSMC's limitations a la the double vias for TSMC 40nm.

Who knows. From an end consumer's perspective, I just want an all out price war at the performance bracket that I am interest in.

 

[SirPauly]

Maybe AMD launced 7970 anyway, despite lackluster yields, with the idea being to grab halo card status and sell out the initial batch, then by the time that sells out, have another batch done with hopefully better yields.

And still would be a win-win for consumer and company to me. Company can get product out and receive nice revenue and margins and early adopters and enthusiasts can receive the latest and greatest right now. And AMD can always price adjust when the competition is more clear and the process matures.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Which part? The High bus width or the 2GB? Should it be 3GB or 4GB? Is that needed?

The bus width mainly, a 512bit memory bus seems excessive. And the memory size is odd as well, I would expect 4Gb for a 512 bus, 2 gigs on such a monster bus to me would seem to be a bottleneck, if you are going for the ultimate performance/massive memory bandwidth, 2Gb would be a limiting factor.

 

[Quantos]

keep in mind there's still a lot of unknowns on amd's side as well. Also, the fact that their cards' releases are so spread out might mean they're not entirely comfortable with 28nm either.

 

[Arzachel]

Way to miss the point, and you quoted me, too. I am just saying that you can't read anything into Nvidia's silence about Kepler; it could be good or bad. Also, to address your point which is entirely different because I am NOT assuming Kepler will be another G80: 8800GT

Sorry, the quotes made it seems like you meant it from a performance standpoint. But yeah, Nvidia being silent can be interpreted either way.

Same process. This is different for Fermi and Kepler.

Not for the 7800GTX vs the 8800GTX or the 7900GTX vs the 8800GT.

The most frustrating part is that there is no information on how Kepler differs from Fermi or what are Nvidia's goals with Kepler except "higher efficiency".

 

[rgallant]

http://www.researchinchina.com/Htmls/News/201112/27615.html
-still have to wonder if the timing is related to fab 15 and if it's on line and on time in Q1.
-nv,s time table could be linked to this plant for some reason.
-maybe a production tweak with the new equipment ? giving more yield's. with their new chip design [ big ].

 

[SirPauly]

Maybe you should ask him if you are so concerned with his rumours.

Who knows. We're all aware of nvidia's long history of viral marketing in tech forums...

Tviceman actually did:

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=150135&postcount=374

 

[WMD]

We know TSMC has had problems in the past, so it's believable that they are working out the kinks on 28nm and Nvidia assumed AMD would have the same problems Nvidia has with working on TSMC and thus not launch until yields were improved.

Maybe AMD launced 7970 anyway, despite lackluster yields, with the idea being to grab halo card status and sell out the initial batch, then by the time that sells out, have another batch done with hopefully better yields.

In other words maybe Nvidia is not late, but AMD is early, and now Nvidia feels pressure to launch early, too, yields be damned.

Or maybe TSMC suddenly and unexpectedly fixed enough problems, moving both AMD and Nvidia timetables up, but AMD was "readier" to move its timetable up for whatever reason.

Or perhaps AMD did a better job of engineering around TSMC's limitations a la the double vias for TSMC 40nm.

Who knows. From an end consumer's perspective, I just want an all out price war at the performance bracket that I am interest in.

Sorry there won't be a price war this year. Trying to undercut your competition hurts profit. Both company understand that even without a collusion. There is no winner this round but you can be sure consumers are the big loser.

 

[railven]

Sorry there won't be a price war this year. Trying to undercut your competition hurts profit. Both company understand that even without a collusion. There is no winner this round but you can be sure consumers are the big loser.

Don't say that, you'll make me cry

Price wars == hooraah! Eitherway, I got $500+ to burn, first card to give me 80%+ over my HD 5870 and can run 6 displays on a single GPU gets my money!

 

[3DVagabond]

Don't say that, you'll make me cry

Price wars == hooraah! Eitherway, I got $500+ to burn, first card to give me 80%+ over my HD 5870 and can run 6 displays on a single GPU gets my money!

A 7970 eyefinity edition O/C'd til it's nose bleeds.