I can respect your stance on prices. Really, I can -- I don't like paying high prices either. However, Respectfully it seems you're applying a double standard, because NV has pretty much done the same thing in the past on parts that weren't great performance leaps forward. GTX 480 was roughly 10-20% faster, but commanded a huge premium IIRC.
Exactly, I don't recall him ever posting about Go Premiums when green team was charging >30% more for a 15% faster card.
So much for his stance on being consistent. Wait for the rebuttal: "I didn't agree with the premium, I just wasn't vocal about it."
Go Premiums!
You never did see me vocally and strongly support premium pricing for nVidia.
Personally embraced the sweet spot because not only did it bring value for AMD but for nVidia gamers as well.
I understand premium priced products and don't dismiss them either because some desire the very best and don't mind paying premiums for them. No one is forcing anyone to pay and if a premium priced product brings enjoyment to a gamer -- very happy for them and still welcomed choices from AMD or nVidia.
Never in my posting have I witnessed such strong, vocal support for premium pricing before.
I must be a shill
And funny, I don't see this premium you speak off. Guess since I've been buying >$450 worth of GPUs the last decade or so at every upgrade point - it's just the norm for me.
But, oh noes, my example is different than yours D:
Go Premiums!
No ideas why you guys indulge. It's endless and a little sad at this point.
http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?searchid=35458&pp=25
So we must hold AMD to a future Nvidia product, can't say anything about redefining price points to products that are actually in the market place, right? That's cool, when Kepler hits, let's just see how well Nvidia redefines anything when it goes up against the 8000 series.We shall see what AMD redefined when Kepler is out.
Ah yes playing the market share card. So you believe you are better at defining price points than AMD.nVidia has over a 60 percent desktop discrete advantage, according to Mercury Research -- do you believe premium pricing is going to help AMD?
Did you speak out against it dozens of times back then, like you are now in regards to AMD?You never did see me vocally and strongly support premium pricing for nVidia.
What does this even mean? This to me is worse than marketing speak, buzz words tossed together with no substance.I understand premium priced products and don't dismiss them either because some desire the very best and don't mind paying premiums for them. No one is forcing anyone to pay and if a premium priced product brings enjoyment to a gamer -- very happy for them and still welcomed choices from AMD or nVidia.
So we must hold AMD to a future Nvidia product, can't say anything about redefining price points to products that are actually in the market place, right? That's cool, when Kepler hits, let's just see how well Nvidia redefines anything when it goes up against the 8000 series.
Ah yes playing the market share card.
Did you speak out against it dozens of times back then, like you are now in regards to AMD?
Then you are outright admitting bias. It's not AMD's fault that Nvidia doesn't have any 28nm products. I don't ever once recall people saying, wait until AMD has an equivalent node CPU before we do performance/price comparisons, do you? If fact that would be downright stupid.If ya want. But, for me 28nm vs 28nm is fine.
Then you are outright admitting bias. It's not AMD's fault that Nvidia doesn't have any 28nm products. I don't ever once recall people saying, wait until AMD has an equivalent node CPU before we do performance/price comparisons, do you? If fact that would be downright stupid.
Is the 7970 a bad card?
Is the 7970 an expensive card?
Is the 7970 price justified in the current market?
My own answers are:
No, yes, yes.
What about yours SirPauly?
The one making blanket statements is you, declaring that the "sweet spot" is dead based on ONE high end SKU that has been out for a few weeks.I think it is wise to see how both players offer their new/arch/node before I blanket either.
The one making blanket statements is you, declaring that the "sweet spot" is dead based on ONE high end SKU that has been out for a few weeks.
They are adapting and responding to market conditions. The only commitment is to making money, not holding themselves to an ideal, which you obviously thiink is much more important than being profitable.The word I like to use is "soften" their stance/commitment and clearly they did.
No, it is a welcomed choice and based on the OC's and scaling -- bodes well for the architecture for future sku's. The added tessellation and GPU compute abilities are very welcomed; as is the super-sampled for DirectX 10 and 11.
Yes and no. Yes, based on it is premium priced but feel since 28nm was substantial and significant, feel the performance is not. No, because of AMD's engineering and execution prowess, the product can be compared to 40nm price/performance and in this context there is tangible value.
Yes based on what is available. However, with notation that AMD has softened on their commitment to their sweet spot strategy and nothing has been really redefined, hence current 40nm product pricing are basically status quo.
You keep talking about it being 28nm so price/performance should be phenomenal, forgetting that same phenomenal 28nm process is probably not producing volume.
What I did expect is 28nm to redefine 40nm price performance but up to this point it really hasn't, imho. But, it's still early with many product sku's from AMD and nVidia to come.
Charlie said, on his forum, that:
-GK110 is actually two GK104;
-Kepler's memory controller is better, but still not by much
I think we can conclude that, if what Charlie said was right, then it GK104 is going to be between a HD 6950 and the GTX 580, most probably around GTX 570/HD 6970 and that nVidia finally turned into a "small die" strategy.
Also, if nVidia wins in perf/mm², I would guess the die size is going to be about 250mm².
You say this without a link to the URL. I HATE YOU! Just kidding. Now to find this forum
AND WTH? Small die strategy? Did the world just turn flat or something, I did not expect NV to do a 180 in their strategy.