Nvidia's Future GTX 580 Graphics Card Gets Pictured (Rumours)

[SlowSpyder]

I wonder if this is a new chip, or if 40nm has matured, or a respin, or of course any combination. So the GTX580 may just be what was announced quite a while ago finally enabled, or could be a new part. I guess we'll have to wait to find out. But, more shaders with a higher clock speed and less power use is nothing but good for us and probably Nvidia.

 

[nitromullet]

I don't think the 580 will be a big enough leap for someone with one or more 480s to make it, unless you have an EVGA card in the step-up window, I unfortunately have Zotacs or else I would of probably gone that way.

You do make an interesting point. I wonder how this is going to pan out...

Start a new Step-Up. Days Left 27

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

At least it doesn't have that crappy heatsinks-need-to-be-outside-the-shroud-and-shroud-cover-needs-to-be-metal-to-dissipate-heat design that the 480 has.

 

[happy medium]

You do make an interesting point. I wonder how this is going to pan out...

From what I hear...... You will miss it by 12 days. ,
but I've been wrong before.

 

[bryanW1995]

Napoleon is most likely at an AIB.. his info is accurate for the previous gen releases but for the 6K series he was off. Said it was 1280sp, then 960sp for Barts. Also got clock speeds and architecture wrong.

He got the pictures and perf right because they have the cards at hand for testing and snaps.. but spec details, its all from AMD briefings.

As for NV waiting for Cayman release, it's more they are waiting until they have confirmed the official specs/perf of Cayman. They can then adjust the gtx580 clockspeeds to be competitive. They couldn't do that with current GPUs so it was a big price drop to spoil AMD's release.

Both companies are quite good current lywith anti-leaks.. so few info is coming out. I'm looking forward to the gtx580 vs cayman battle, competition is great.

thank god we had you to keep us informed about such things as 6870>5870 though! Oops, wait, I forgot that the magic driver next month will solve that issue...

 

[tviceman]

In comparison to the gtx480/470 reference coolers, if that picture ends up being the final reference design for the gtx580, it looks like Nvidia will have gotten the heat issue well under control.

I'll be slightly disappointed if it does end up only being 20% faster than a gtx480, but 20% faster and 20% less power draw is actually a pretty darn good improvement within the same node. Nvidia and AMD may end up with nearly equal high end parts on both performance and power draw. It may come down to which cards scale and overclock better.

 

[tviceman]

Since we never got a dual part from the first round of Fermi's, Nvidia may try to make a dual part out of two chopped down GF110's (gtx570's). TDP is supposed to be 20% less than gtx480 so if true Nvidia should spec it out around ~200 watts. If the percentage of power draw decreases similarly when going from a gtx480 to gtx470, that'll be another 15% off the 200 watts, or ~170 watts.

For reference, a gtx275 was rated at ~219 watts and Nvidia managed double that up on one card to make the gtx295 (at gtx260 speeds on the core).

EDIT: Not ever sure why I care though, I'll never buy a dual card from either camp.

 

[RussianSensation]

The first thing NV should do is take all traces of GPGPU and downscale them on GTX570/580. If this means reducing FP64/double-precision performance, so be it. The second thing they should do is fix texture fill-rate deficiency of GF100 chip by re-grouping the TMUs ala GF104 and adding more of them as well (looks like they are aiming at 128 vs. 64). Less complexity of the chip and a more mature 40nm process may allow them to extract another 10% clock speed increase, if not more.

The prototype GTX580 looks sport a larger size fan compared to the GTX480. This is good news to help reduce noise level or exhaust heat faster.

 

[Tempered81]

I wonder if it's GF100-375 A4 in full.

 

[Tsavo]

The prototype GTX580 looks sport a larger size fan compared to the GTX480. This is good news to help reduce noise level or exhaust heat faster.

The 580's fan intake opening is larger than the one on the 480; they otherwise appear to be using the same fan.

 

[Kuzi]

I wonder if this is a new chip, or if 40nm has matured, or a respin, or of course any combination. So the GTX580 may just be what was announced quite a while ago finally enabled, or could be a new part. I guess we'll have to wait to find out. But, more shaders with a higher clock speed and less power use is nothing but good for us and probably Nvidia.

Compared to the GTX480, NV had to cut back some stuff for the more "gamer" oriented GTX460.

I don't think for the GTX580 NV would want to cut back anything, so I assume it will be based on a tweaked GF100 GPU, and because of the more mature 40nm process they can finally enable the full 512 cores.

512 cores only provide a 6.6% increase in performance though, so the rest of the speed-up will mostly come from a higher clock speed. I'm guessing the GTX580 would be about 15% faster than the GTX480, which is not much but may help it compete well against Cayman XT.

 

[RussianSensation]

The 580's fan intake opening is larger than the one on the 480; they otherwise appear to be using the same fan.

Take a look at Nitromullets scaled pictures. The fan size is significantly larger on the GTX580.

 

[Tsavo]

Take a look at Nitromullets scaled pictures. The fan size is significantly larger on the GTX580.

I did. I used the ruler tool in Photoshop to measure the openings and the fans. The fans are the same size.

 

[BathroomFeeling]

Top screenshot is comparison of fan with and without cover. Images have been overlaid and scaled for best fit. Fins are estimated to be double that of visible opening.

Bottom screenshot is comparison of fan between 480 and 580. Scaled according to PCI-E connectors (red lines for verification). Fan opening on 580 is clearly larger, by about 20%.

On far-right, comparison of fans between both cards. Red outline on 480 fan is best-estimate of maximum fin size. Assuming doubling of fin width, 580 is roughly 30% larger based on fin size. Assuming conservative value, where the same amount of fin width is hidden under the cover (blue outline), 580 fan is still roughly 17% larger based on that. Assuming no fins are hidden under cover, 580 is still roughly 6% larger than 480.

 

[AtenRa]

I would say both fans are the same, perhaps the fan opening is a little larger in 580

 

[Arkadrel]

580 has a bigger fan design thats a good thing, means it can blow more air, or same air, at lower noise levels.

 

[Dribble]

Fudzilla says it's gonna launch in a few weeks:
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20676-geforce-gtx-580-to-launch-in-november

Competition == good

 

[SlowSpyder]

Compared to the GTX480, NV had to cut back some stuff for the more "gamer" oriented GTX460.

I don't think for the GTX580 NV would want to cut back anything, so I assume it will be based on a tweaked GF100 GPU, and because of the more mature 40nm process they can finally enable the full 512 cores.

512 cores only provide a 6.6% increase in performance though, so the rest of the speed-up will mostly come from a higher clock speed. I'm guessing the GTX580 would be about 15% faster than the GTX480, which is not much but may help it compete well against Cayman XT.

Yea, if that's the case the performance bump is not all that impressive. But getting that performance bump while using less power (assuming that's true) is impressive for being on 40nm yet. Definitely steps in the right direction, that was really what gave gamers a bad taste in their mouth about the GTX480 in my opinion, the fan noise and power use for the performance it delivered.

 

[badb0y]

Nice, I recently got a big check from my school so I might buy either this or the Cayman XT. The way it's turning out though it seems like it's going to be a toss up like the GTX 460/470 vs HD 6000 series.

 

[Grooveriding]

Looking at these 480 pictures again and then looking in the window of my case is making me chuckle.

I mean really. Big heatpipes sticking out the top and a huge exposed metal shroud. lol at anyone saying the 480 did not have heat issues. Good to see this fixed.

 

[happy medium]

Quote,
"It is not only that the chip will have more than 480 cores, we dare not say 512, but all these cores will be improved."

Source Fudzilla......NOV 20 launch?

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20676-geforce-gtx-580-to-launch-in-november

 

[Sickamore]

A purported specifications table for NVIDIA's upcoming GeForce GTX 480 has leaked, courtesy IT168.com. The GeForce GTX 580 features 512 SP, mostly likely arranged in 16 SMs of 32 SP each. This marks a 7% increase in shader count over the GTX 480. The core clock is 772 MHz, with shaders clocked at 1544 MHz, a 10% increase over the GTX 480's clock speed. 1.5GB GDDR5 memory is clocked at 1 GHz (4 GHz effective) over the same 384-bit interface, for a bandwidth of 192.4 GB/s, a 8.5% increase. In essence, GF110 does look like "GF100 done right", with decent boosts in clock speed to boot, and manufacturing optimizations likely. The net result is an average performance jump of 15%-20% over the GTX 480. The GTX 580 is reported to score an immense X12700 in 3D Mark Vantage, which represents a ~30% boost. However, gaming improvements is expected to stay in the 15% to 20% region.

The GeForce GTX 580 is expected to release in November 2010, around the same time as the release of its main competitor, AMD's Radeon HD 6970. A GeForce GTX 570 is also expected, with roughly the same performance as GTX 480, but with much better thermal characteristics. The extent of retail availability is yet unknown, though rumours suggest very limited to no availability on release, much like the GeForce GTX 470/480 release.


http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-specifications-leaked/10184.html

 

[Idontcare]

Welcome to the forums BathroomFeeling! :thumbsup:

 

[Idontcare]

Compared to the GTX480, NV had to cut back some stuff for the more "gamer" oriented GTX460.

I remember asking about this when the GTX460 first came out because I use CUDA and was interested in knowing if the 460 was neutered when it came to GPGPU.

The responses at the time were that it was not architecturally neutered any more so than the rest of the architecture was scaled back from GF100 (fewer cuda cores means fewer cuda cores but not less capable cuda cores, etc)...and I vaguely recall being referred to a Tomshardware link where they benched the 460 in a bevy of GPGPU apps and its performance fell in-line with what you'd expect for a Fermi chip that was simply cut-down (i.e. fps fell just as much as GPGPU performance compared to a 470 and 465).

Now this is my fuzzy memory, was I under the wrong impression? Is there a review you could link me to that would help dispel my ignorance?

 

[Red Storm]

If they really are launching right around the time Cayman comes out, then that is great news. Hello competition, hello price wars. :awe: