Nvidia's Future GTX 580 Graphics Card Gets Pictured (Rumours)

Page 30 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Scali

Banned
Dec 3, 2004
2,495
0
0
I 100% disagree. Nvidia started with a massive die, shrinked things down a bit. AMD started with a small die, and had room to make it bigger, possibly up to 400mm. GF110 was just enabling everything, raising clocks, and shaving away some things, partially not used, partially CUDA related. This got more performance due to enabling everything, aswell as the higher clocks. 10-15% higher. Less energy came from what they cut down and such. AMD seems like they are trying to get about 20% more die size than the 5870 with the 6970.

Well, didn't you already explain why? nVidia hadn't enabled all functional units yet.
AMD had, so they had to add them to the die, growing the size.

Cayman is really a fairly new arch.

Says AMD... they don't say WHAT is new though, which gives me the impression that there's not too much to talk about.
 

Gloomy

Golden Member
Oct 12, 2010
1,469
21
81
Says AMD... they don't say WHAT is new though, which gives me the impression that there's not too much to talk about.

Nvidia didn't say much about the 580 either, then they pulled a fast one on us :sneaky:
 

Scali

Banned
Dec 3, 2004
2,495
0
0
Nvidia didn't say much about the 580 either, then they pulled a fast one on us :sneaky:

Well, with nVidia there wasn't much to talk about, it's just a slightly tweaked GF100, it doesn't do anything new or revolutionary.
The main gain is from the fact that apparently the yields are now good enough to have a full 512 shader part, even at reduced power consumption (means higher clockspeeds/overclocking).
The GF100 already had all the same technology, it just didn't work optimally.
 

Gloomy

Golden Member
Oct 12, 2010
1,469
21
81
SLI scaling on the 580 seems to be busted up at everything but 25x16. Hopefully Nvidia fixes that soon.
 

Arkadrel

Diamond Member
Oct 19, 2010
3,681
2
0
Well, didn't you already explain why? nVidia hadn't enabled all functional units yet.
AMD had, so they had to add them to the die, growing the size.

Says AMD... they don't say WHAT is new though, which gives me the impression that there's not too much to talk about.


leaked things about tessellation (off old amd slides):
Now scalable (so it ll work probably down to small pixels like nvidias does)
Off chip buffering (apperntly the 5xxx 68xx cards where task-swapping, slowing down tessellation and ROPs effecientcy)

So we pretty much know they have fixed the tessellation with the new 69xx cards. Theres also benchmarks from china, where the 6970 is beating the 480 in extreme tessellaion setup with Unigine by about 25%.

the 6970 haveing 25% better tessellation performance than a 480 is a big thing for amd, because it was one of their weaker points.

Again from china (chiphell) rumors saying the 6970 and 580 perform about equall to one another in Vandtage mark.



But yeah... AMD are too secretive... they should leak some 6970 stuff.
 

Skurge

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2009
5,195
1
71
leaked things about tessellation (off old amd slides):
Now scalable (so it ll work probably down to small pixels like nvidias does)
Off chip buffering (apperntly the 5xxx 68xx cards where task-swapping, slowing down tessellation and ROPs effecientcy)

So we pretty much know they have fixed the tessellation with the new 69xx cards. Theres also benchmarks from china, where the 6970 is beating the 480 in extreme tessellaion setup with Unigine by about 25%.

the 6970 haveing 25% better tessellation performance than a 480 is a big thing for amd, because it was one of their weaker points.

Again from china (chiphell) rumors saying the 6970 and 580 perform about equall to one another in Vandtage mark.



But yeah... AMD are too secretive... they should leak some 6970 stuff.

Now that the 580 is out, the should pull an Nvidia and start leaking some info to keep people waiting for the 6970.
 

Arkadrel

Diamond Member
Oct 19, 2010
3,681
2
0
Err... Cpu limitation anyone? Lol, who the hell benchmarks 580 SLI at 1024x768? WTF??? Fail


I 100% agree... no one owning a 580 would go lower than 1680*1050 or so resolution, so it makes no sense to benchmark them that low.


Now that the 580 is out, the should pull an Nvidia and start leaking some info to keep people waiting for the 6970.

Yeah I think AMD should do that, it might save them a few sales that might otherwise swing the otherway. Otherwise we ll just have to wait 2 weeks or so and see what AMD has.
 

Scali

Banned
Dec 3, 2004
2,495
0
0
leaked things about tessellation (off old amd slides):
Now scalable (so it ll work probably down to small pixels like nvidias does)
Off chip buffering (apperntly the 5xxx 68xx cards where task-swapping, slowing down tessellation and ROPs effecientcy)

As I already commented, 'scalable tessellation' doesn't mean anything, it's hollow marketing talk.

So we pretty much know they have fixed the tessellation with the new 69xx cards.

No, we know that AMD is apparently worried enough about tessellation to give it media attention.
We have no clue what they improved exactly (they didn't specify, which is usually not a good sign), and how much this is going to help them.

Theres also benchmarks from china, where the 6970 is beating the 480 in extreme tessellaion setup with Unigine by about 25%.

We'll have to wait and see if those are real, then.

Again from china (chiphell) rumors saying the 6970 and 580 perform about equall to one another in Vandtage mark.

Well, if the 580 and 6970 are matched for performance, I'd say nVidia did well with the 580.
On paper, AMD had the most room for improvement, starting from a smaller die size with lower power consumption. If AMD didn't manage to turn that advantage into the fastest DX11 GPU, then nVidia has made a nice comeback. nVidia's GF100 was plagued with manufacturing issues and people considered it way too large and powerhungry. People didn't give nVidia any chance.
All nVidia would need now is a decent dual GPU card, to compete for the performance crown.
 

blastingcap

Diamond Member
Sep 16, 2010
6,654
5
76
SLI scaling on the 580 seems to be busted up at everything but 25x16. Hopefully Nvidia fixes that soon.

Look at GURU3d's review. SLI seems fine there in the few games that I checked. I could be missing something though.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |