NYC considers putting homeless on old cruise ships

[KK]

Uh oh, a boat load of democrats. Send them to Cuba with Jimmy.
Didn't New York used to put them up in 4 star hotels before.

KK

 

[xuanman]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
OK. I put my ass out here for risk of flaming by the misinformed yet again.

1. It has been 9 years since I have lived there, worked there, paid taxes there, and hated being there.
2. I was born and raised in NYC. Took the #2 Subway Train (look it up, nerds) from the Bronx to NYC proper (i.e. Manhattan) 5 to 6 days a week
3. NYC has one of the worst homeless problems in the USA. They are everywhere. In the trains. In the trains stations. In the parks. In the alley you walk to throw away your garbage, etc.
4. This is for you snobby idiots in Manhattan who think I'm lying. You go to lunch. You go to Mickey D's or the Greek Deli on the corner to get your Gyro in pita. Do they or do they not: the bums!!! While your sitting at the little one-foot-square table w/that cute coworker, they come and hit you up for money, right? They stink like they sh1t their pants last YEAR and haven't realized it yet. AM I RIGHT?
5. You know I am.
6. NYC is evil. It sucks. I'll never go back


Oh, I'm sorry...did I digress? The whole point is: YES. Put them on the ships (voluntarily, of course) and whatever happens, happens.

The rest of you. Don't you damn dare say a word. Living in Cornrowbumfvck Iowa does not give you the knowelege to even COMMENT on such a situation. Move to, live in, work in, and commute to NYC...for a year. THEN you can talk.

Until you have danced and drank with the devil, you haven't earned the right to talk about it.

like others mentioned in one of the other nyc threads, the nyc of 2002 is much different from the nyc you lived in 9 years ago. all you have to do is go to times square to see some of the starkest differences. and no i am not some iowan although there is nothing wrong with iowans. i lived in nyc for the past 6.5 years-went to college there and worked there. i felt safe enough to walk the 30 blocks north to the 140s to teach english, i have also lived in brooklyn and the eastside. i regularly took the 1 9, 2 3, NRQW for work and had no problems. there are homeless people but for the most part they have never caused me any problems. It may be time for you to take a little visit there b/c otherwise your view of nyc will forever be constrained by your time there from when you grew up to 1993...missing the boom and renaissance of the 1990s...

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
OK. I put my ass out here for risk of flaming by the misinformed yet again.

1. It has been 9 years since I have lived there, worked there, paid taxes there, and hated being there.
2. I was born and raised in NYC. Took the #2 Subway Train (look it up, nerds) from the Bronx to NYC proper (i.e. Manhattan) 5 to 6 days a week
3. NYC has one of the worst homeless problems in the USA. They are everywhere. In the trains. In the trains stations. In the parks. In the alley you walk to throw away your garbage, etc.
4. This is for you snobby idiots in Manhattan who think I'm lying. You go to lunch. You go to Mickey D's or the Greek Deli on the corner to get your Gyro in pita. Do they or do they not: the bums!!! While your sitting at the little one-foot-square table w/that cute coworker, they come and hit you up for money, right? They stink like they sh1t their pants last YEAR and haven't realized it yet. AM I RIGHT?
5. You know I am.
6. NYC is evil. It sucks. I'll never go back


Oh, I'm sorry...did I digress? The whole point is: YES. Put them on the ships (voluntarily, of course) and whatever happens, happens.

The rest of you. Don't you damn dare say a word. Living in Cornrowbumfvck Iowa does not give you the knowelege to even COMMENT on such a situation. Move to, live in, work in, and commute to NYC...for a year. THEN you can talk.

Until you have danced and drank with the devil, you haven't earned the right to talk about it.

OMG MichaelD that is like the best reply EVAR.
I just want to add that whole fvcking thing to my signature.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
OK. I put my ass out here for risk of flaming by the misinformed yet again.

1. It has been 9 years since I have lived there, worked there, paid taxes there, and hated being there.
2. I was born and raised in NYC. Took the #2 Subway Train (look it up, nerds) from the Bronx to NYC proper (i.e. Manhattan) 5 to 6 days a week
3. NYC has one of the worst homeless problems in the USA. They are everywhere. In the trains. In the trains stations. In the parks. In the alley you walk to throw away your garbage, etc.
4. This is for you snobby idiots in Manhattan who think I'm lying. You go to lunch. You go to Mickey D's or the Greek Deli on the corner to get your Gyro in pita. Do they or do they not: the bums!!! While your sitting at the little one-foot-square table w/that cute coworker, they come and hit you up for money, right? They stink like they sh1t their pants last YEAR and haven't realized it yet. AM I RIGHT?
5. You know I am.
6. NYC is evil. It sucks. I'll never go back


Oh, I'm sorry...did I digress? The whole point is: YES. Put them on the ships (voluntarily, of course) and whatever happens, happens.

The rest of you. Don't you damn dare say a word. Living in Cornrowbumfvck Iowa does not give you the knowelege to even COMMENT on such a situation. Move to, live in, work in, and commute to NYC...for a year. THEN you can talk.

Until you have danced and drank with the devil, you haven't earned the right to talk about it.

A few years ago I worked in the South Bronx (near the stadium), I've taken the train through Manhattan to Brooklyn (about 2 AM) every night for a year. Yes, there are homeless people around, but not NEARLY like it used to be in the pre-Guiliani days. It aint like the old days MichaelD. The city is alot more safer and cleaner than I can ever remember it.

 

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[ThePresence]

 

[GoingUp]

and then what? The navy uses them for torpedo practice?

Where the heck would you dock those things.... I think it sounds like a bad idea

 

[MichaelD]

In all honesty, I've also heard a few things from the folks back home that NYC has cleaned up a bit. When I go back about once every 1.5-2 years, I don't go "looking around" much. Airport to my mom's apartment, then basically shuttling her around in the rental car to help her shop and go see my dad in the home and go see relatives (repeat that for 3-4 days) then back to the airport.

It HAS been a long time since I've been in NYC proper (i.e. Manhattan.) last time was in *thinking* . . . . ....1996, I think? Went to some rave club type thing w/my younger brother down by 14th street/Westside Hwy area. No, I didn't drop a tab or whatever the hip thing is these days...drank my ass off though and squeezed some chicks booty for a few hours though. Dont' remember much after that.

Anyway, I'm allegedly going "home" (TX is home for me now...legally and emotionally) in January sometime.

I will check out Manhattan...it's been a looooong time since I've been to MOMA/Hayden/MMA/Cloisters/etc.

Thanks for informing me about the changes...I'll check it out.

ps
I refuse to ride the subway though....been there done that, thanks.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

ps
I refuse to ride the subway though....been there done that, thanks.

Now you're asking for a whole new set of headaches. You're gonna DRIVE to Manhattan?! Good luck finding a parking spot that doesnt break your wallet.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: MichaelD

ps
I refuse to ride the subway though....been there done that, thanks.

Now you're asking for a whole new set of headaches. You're gonna DRIVE to Manhattan?! Good luck finding a parking spot that doesnt break your wallet.

Oh, I know all about the parking. I'll pay $30 to park my rental car...it's more than worth it to not have to deal w/the hassle of getting mugged on the subway, then I put the perps head thru a glass window, then I get arrested. Did that in 1987. I was released and not charged, but I had to rot in jail for about 7 hours first. :|

BTW, this is the NYC that I remember. Guys like this on every corner with makeshift tables selling everything from Rolex watches to computers/software to illegal babies.

 

[aphex]

The homeless at Amsterdam Schiphol airport are kinda interesting.

I sat down at a BK there about 2 weeks ago before my flight to switzerland. A homeless man sat down about 2 seats over from me. I was halfway done eating my fries and look down and there are gone. He took them. Didnt even bother to move, just leaned over, took them, and started eating.

Needless to say i left shortly after.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: aphexII
The homeless at Amsterdam Schiphol airport are kinda interesting.

I sat down at a BK there about 2 weeks ago before my flight to switzerland. A homeless man sat down about 2 seats over from me. I was halfway done eating my fries and look down and there are gone. He took them. Didnt even bother to move, just leaned over, took them, and started eating.

Needless to say i left shortly after.

That is also the NYC that I remember. Evil place. Eeeeeviiiiiillllllll.

 

[UberDave]

the carribean is becoming so sh!tty... :disgust: what a waste of beauty.

 

[Stifko]

I think it is a great idea too. Get them the hell outta here. If I was in their shoes, I wanna be in the Bahamas.

NYC did have several prison barges but they were never used.

Huh? There are 2 ferries converted into prison barges docked off Riker's right now & they are chock fulla convicts.
The barge they gotta offa the Brits, that was used by them to ferry and board troops was never used as a prison, but old Staten Island ferries are easier and cheaper to convert to jails. You can see the 2 prison barges from the Northbound Bruckner Expressway's right lane if you look over the water to Riker's.

 

[Bitek]

Good I say. I live upstate and there is a homeless shelter owned by NYC where they ship up surplus homeless, (and seemingly the craziest and most troublesome ones.) So we have large numbers of homeless just wondering the streets and main shopping area in our village bothering the people who live here. Nearly all the local police's time is spent dealing with them. In just the year since I moved here there has been various "incidents" including: assaults on morning joggers (with broken bottles,) break-ins, robberies, fights, child sexual assault, and recently a person staying in the shelter was involved in a murder. This is aside from dealing with all the nutjobs who loiter outside the supermarket everytime you go shopping.

The worst part is, since NYC owns the property the shelter is located on, the county and village cannot force its closure, despite many years of effort. The problem people just get transferred out an new ones are brought in. There are so many homeless, the city just stuffs them where ever they can get away with.

 

[DnetMHZ]

Originally posted by: aphexII
The homeless at Amsterdam Schiphol airport are kinda interesting.

I sat down at a BK there about 2 weeks ago before my flight to switzerland. A homeless man sat down about 2 seats over from me. I was halfway done eating my fries and look down and there are gone. He took them. Didnt even bother to move, just leaned over, took them, and started eating.

Needless to say i left shortly after.

you left.. right after you beat the man unmercifully, right?

 

[Amused]

I guess no one learned their lesson from grouping giant public housing projects together.

 

[Nitemare]

and we are floating them where?




seriously though, it would be nice to get them out of sight, but free room and board? put them to work doing manual labor to get a roof over their head.

 

[xuanman]

Originally posted by: Amused
I guess no one learned their lesson from grouping giant public housing projects together.

nyc's public housing projects have actually been very successful (probably b/c a lot of them weren't grouped and isolated together)...for the most part, it's hard to distinguish "the projects" from the neighborhoods that they're located in (i'm referring to housing projects in chinatown, the lower eastside, lower harlem - ones that i'm familiar with). Contrast that to the humongous eyesores in Chicago where the projects are little self-sustained pockets that stick out badly and make it difficult for the projects to become viable parts of the neighborhood.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: xuanman

Originally posted by: Amused
I guess no one learned their lesson from grouping giant public housing projects together.

nyc's public housing projects have actually been very successful (probably b/c a lot of them weren't grouped and isolated together)...for the most part, it's hard to distinguish "the projects" from the neighborhoods that they're located in (i'm referring to housing projects in chinatown, the lower eastside, lower harlem - ones that i'm familiar with). Contrast that to the humongous eyesores in Chicago where the projects are little self-sustained pockets that stick out badly and make it difficult for the projects to become viable parts of the neighborhood.

And you don't think docked ships wont offer the same problems that Chicago's disasters did?

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
and then sink them?

Bahahaha!

 

[xuanman]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: xuanman

Originally posted by: Amused
I guess no one learned their lesson from grouping giant public housing projects together.

nyc's public housing projects have actually been very successful (probably b/c a lot of them weren't grouped and isolated together)...for the most part, it's hard to distinguish "the projects" from the neighborhoods that they're located in (i'm referring to housing projects in chinatown, the lower eastside, lower harlem - ones that i'm familiar with). Contrast that to the humongous eyesores in Chicago where the projects are little self-sustained pockets that stick out badly and make it difficult for the projects to become viable parts of the neighborhood.

And you don't think docked ships wont offer the same problems that Chicago's disasters did?

actually, i think it's a ridiculous idea to think that the viable solution for homelessness is to put people in boats out in new york harbor...