NYC Fast Food Workers Go On Strike to Protest Low Wages

[SheHateMe]

if it makes it tastier, who gives a fuck?

besides, you pointing out what halal means has fuckall to do with anything

Don't mind him, its just his anti-muslim sentiment showing.

 

[Spungo]

What idiots. Why can't they just work harder so the store has 20 managers all making 50k per year plus benefits?

 

[ivwshane]

Then you have to accept the wage to work there. If those fastfood workers are on strike, those places can find others to replace them easily. It is not like they are highly educated doctors/engineers/lawyers/etc.

Would you say the same thing when factory workers were striking earlier in American history? Do you say the same thing to those in china working for less than a dollar?

 

[werepossum]

exactly, and that is what promotions are for. The reward is being placed in a position that is worth more than that deservedly shitty wage.

Agreed, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. If McDonald's decides that coughing up some extra money is worth more than the bother and bad publicity of firing them all, and McDonald's can still maintain an acceptable ROI, and the customers get better-motivated peons serving up their Big Macs, seems to me that everyone wins.

A strict adherence to the labor market's realities is not always the best policy. Remember Circuit City? They concluded that their labor rate was too highly paid and therefore made a decision to fire them all, allowing them to re-apply for the new, lower rate. Looks good on paper, but in reality their better employees just went elsewhere to employers who, if perhaps not paying more than the new, lower Circuit City wage, at least hadn't pissed them off. Meanwhile Circuit City got tons of bad press and was stuck with the otherwise undesirable employers willing to work for 2/3 to 1/2 their old wage, and those employees certainly didn't get any better for having just lost a huge chunk of income. Bottom line, the move designed to pull Circuit City out of its decline instead arrowed it straight into the ground. Sometimes one can be penny wise and pound foolish.

 

[Svnla]

Would you say the same thing when factory workers were striking earlier in American history? Do you say the same thing to those in china working for less than a dollar?

1. Working conditions in the 19th and early 20th centuries were horrible/unsafe. Now =! then. Does not compute.

2. The Chinese employees are free to strike, and the employers are free to hire someone else. IIRC, commie government does not allow massive strikes in China. See examples of FoxConn/Apple supplier(s) a few months ago.

My point is: unless you are "irreplaceable" with madz skills, someone else can and will work for less than you, especially in this economy. And those fast food employees are very easily replaceable.

 

[ivwshane]

1. Working conditions in the 19th and early 20th centuries were horrible/unsafe. Now =! then. Does not compute.

2. The Chinese employees are free to strike, and the employers are free to hire someone else. IIRC, commie government does not allow massive strikes in China. See examples of FoxConn/Apple supplier(s) a few months ago.

My point is: unless you are "irreplaceable" with madz skills, someone else can and will work for less than you, especially in this economy. And those fast food employees are very easily replaceable.

They striked for injustices they perceived, whether it was working conditions or pay it doesn't matter. Companies have a right to hire and fire who they please then why must workers take it or leave it? Why can't workers use their power for higher wages? Your answer? "Because they are easily replaceable" sounds like an apologist answer to me, thanks for being a good sheep though, your corporate masters appreciate it (they won't reciprocate that appreciation though).

If you thought you worked hard and asked for a raise and your boss said,"sorry no raise, I can find someone who would do your job for your current pay or less, take it or leave it". Are you saying you would leave it in this economy? Would you be ok if your boss had that attitude? No? What if the company you worked for was making record profits?

The employee employer power balance is out of wack and employers have been shafting their employees for years. How do we know this? Record profits, record worker productivity, and employee wages have been stagnant for decades while CEO pays to worker pay ratios are the largest they have been in a long time.

 

[Svnla]

They striked for injustices they perceived, whether it was working conditions or pay it doesn't matter. Companies have a right to hire and fire who they please then why must workers take it or leave it? Why can't workers use their power for higher wages? Your answer? "Because they are easily replaceable" sounds like an apologist answer to me, thanks for being a good sheep though, your corporate masters appreciate it (they won't reciprocate that appreciation though).

If you thought you worked hard and asked for a raise and your boss said,"sorry no raise, I can find someone who would do your job for your current pay or less, take it or leave it". Are you saying you would leave it in this economy? Would you be ok if your boss had that attitude? No? What if the company you worked for was making record profits?

The employee employer power balance is out of wack and employers have been shafting their employees for years. How do we know this? Record profits, record worker productivity, and employee wages have been stagnant for decades while CEO pays to worker pay ratios are the largest they have been in a long time.

I never said it was fair or just. I am just saying it is what it is/stating the facts. I used to work in retail places years ago when I was younger and did not like it. I went to school so I don't have to work there ever again. It is a FACT that those fast food joins employees are easily replaceable (not saying it is fair for them).

As a matter of fact, I left my first place of employment (right after college) because I busted my tail yet I did not receive a fair compensation as promised (I did get a pay raise after a huge project but not as much as it should be). I filed a complain but nothing was done so I gave them 2 weeks notice a few months later. I am much happier now than I was before, a lot less stress and better pay.

Another thing. When skilled employees in manufacturing fields striked, they had more power because they had more skill and more of them => made it much harder for employers to replace them in a manufacturing environment. Fast food employees do not have such luxury. Again, just stating facts, not saying it is fair or just for them.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Let them ALL strike and the entire industry DIE.

I'm ALL for it. Hopefully that will take a big load of health industry as less American will suffer from this crap....



McDonalds workers work harder than some CEO/High level positions I've worked with over the years....

If we were talking about a job where the skillset were significant enough that hiring and training a new work force would be a monumentally challenging and costly task you would of had a point.

However these people will and can be easily replaced. Flipping burgers is not a skillset that requires significant amount of training and there a plenty of people who would fill those positions (i.e. high-school students, college students, the elderly, newly arrive legal immigrants, etc).

 

[Nebor]

You do realize for halal the animal has its throat slit with a religious prayer.

That shit is deeply disturbing. I'll never forget the first time I saw a goat slaughtered halal style. Blood spraying everywhere while some nutjob whispers in it's ears and other people chant and shout. It's definitely one of the many moments where you think, "Yup, these people are beyond help. They're savages."

 

[Kantastic]

$7.25......

That's what I made as a freshman in college just trying to get money do laundry.

I don't think they should be askin' for $15 an hour because they didn't earn that...but goddamn, give these people a chance to earn a decent wage if they worked hard for it.

At 40 hours a week making $7.25...that isn't even enough to pay two bills and buy food.

SHM

You should come to NYC and see how absolutely worthless these workers are. Attitude? Poor. Work ethic? None. Customer service? Hahaha

 

[Incorruptible]

Shut up. Just shut up. Dead animal is dead animal. The jews do the same thing. Are you against them too?

I am not against Jews or Muslims but both of the practices.

That shit is deeply disturbing. I'll never forget the first time I saw a goat slaughtered halal style. Blood spraying everywhere while some nutjob whispers in it's ears and other people chant and shout. It's definitely one of the many moments where you think, "Yup, these people are beyond help. They're savages."

Finally someone with common sense here and can think for themselves.

As to the OP, The workers are free to go on strike or quit their jobs. Unforuntatley the work they do isnt worth $15/hour.

What we need is a Free Market system which would create more jobs and lead to prosperity and this would be useful for the workers as well.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I am not against Jews or Muslims but both of the practices.

You've never been to a slaughterhouse have you?

 

[SheHateMe]

You've never been to a slaughterhouse have you?

I think Incorruptible might think that only radical muslims slaughter their animals for food. Christians just uh.....put them to sleep or something before they take them out.


Native American's also blessed their kills when they were hunting. Its just a way of thanking the Earth or your God (or whatever you believe) for blessing you with that food.

My Grandfather slaughters animals for meat every one and a while. He'll go up north to visit a friend or a farmer or something to get meat and will ask if he can kill it himself (hes from the South, grew up on farms, etc).

I've never not heard him whispering sweet nothings or something to the animal he's about to kill. He even tried to soothe a chicken once before he grabbed the thing by the neck and yanked his head off.

 

[Spungo]

I think Incorruptible might think that only radical muslims slaughter their animals for food. Christians just uh.....put them to sleep or something before they take them out.

The Christian method is quick and dirty - shoot a piston through the brain so it dies immediately. The Jewish and Muslim methods are very cruel and slow. They cut the throat and let the animals bleed out.

 

[SheHateMe]

The Christian method is quick and dirty - shoot a piston through the brain so it dies immediately. The Jewish and Muslim methods are very cruel and slow. They cut the throat and let the animals bleed out.

The "Christian" method.


Please do tell me how people have killed animals for food "back in the day". Back before we were shooting animals through the brain with a piston.

 

[CrackRabbit]

The Christian method is quick and dirty - shoot a piston through the brain so it dies immediately. The Jewish and Muslim methods are very cruel and slow. They cut the throat and let the animals bleed out.

I hate to tell you this, but the animals usually aren't completely dead, and they are still exsanguinated by the same method.

Only difference is the prayer beforehand.

 

[mammador]

Let them ALL strike and the entire industry DIE.

I'm ALL for it. Hopefully that will take a big load of health industry as less American will suffer from this crap....



McDonalds workers work harder than some CEO/High level positions I've worked with over the years....

I think hard work is subjective. I'd imagine some CEOs/top management bust a gut in developing their firm's strategy.

As for McD's workers, well learn a skill/trade. Even if it's being a seamtress, one can be self-employed and earn money sowing/repairing dresses or suits.

I may sound heartless, but there are opportunities out there.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Silly people. Hopefully they all get fired and replaced.

What you get paid for the job doesn't depend on your need for money, it depends on how much the job is worth and how many people are available to do it. No matter how well you flip burgers, you're never going to be worth a lot to the company since they can find plenty of other people to do the same job.

Entitlement mentality for the loss. You are not entitled to make what you think you're worth, you're going to make what your job is worth through supply and demand.

This sums everything up quite nicely. Why is further discussion is necessary?... unless one doesn't live here in reality.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Whatever happened to the mentality of the 50s where you start an entry level job (where you make crap money) and slowly work your way up? It seems like now everyone just wants constant raises for doing entry level jobs that require maybe a day's worth of training to do. When you work in a job like that, you can't expect to make much money.
This means you can do 1 of 3 things:
1. Get a second job to support your lifestyle.
2. Live with your pay and work your way up. If your superiors see your work ethic and willingness to improve your conditions, you will eventually get promoted. In fast food, you could become a shift leader, assistant manager, store manager, regional manager, or move to corporate.
3. Spend your free time learning a trade/skill that can't be replaced so easily. Be a plumber/electrician/seamstress/whatever. Get certifications. Take college courses. Be an apprentice. Do something to improve yourself if you aren't happy with where you're at. Don't expect others to do this for you.

 

[Matt1970]

I have never seen anybody pay extra at a fast food joint because they thought the prices were too low.

 

[Exterous]

Whatever happened to the mentality of the 50s where you start an entry level job (where you make crap money) and slowly work your way up?

Well - to be fair there has been a significant divergence from company/employee loyalty on both sides. Not saying the strike is right but the general mentality I see now is not 'work your way up' but 'your biggest raise will be when you start your new job at a new company'

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The Christian method is quick and dirty - shoot a piston through the brain so it dies immediately. The Jewish and Muslim methods are very cruel and slow. They cut the throat and let the animals bleed out.

Obviously you've never been to a slaughterhouse. There an electric shock is induced that stuns the animal (cow or hog), knives slice their throat, the animal is lifted by their hind legs, and they bleed out.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Obviously you've never been to a slaughterhouse. There an electric shock is induced that stuns the animal (cow or hog), knives slice their throat, the animal is lifted by their hind legs, and they bleed out.

I don't know about halal methods, but in kosher slaughtering, shocking the animal ahead of time is not allowed.

Kosher slaughter is supposed to be designed to ensure that the animal dies as quickly as possible and with as much blood loss as possible (since Jews are not allowed to eat blood.) But it's based on technologies from centuries ago, and the refusal to implement more modern methods (like stunning) is a source of great controversy.

 

[boochi]

Obviously you've never been to a slaughterhouse. There an electric shock is induced that stuns the animal (cow or hog), knives slice their throat, the animal is lifted by their hind legs, and they bleed out.

Hogs here at most slaughter operations in North Carolina are gassed and not shocked.

 

[spacejamz]

Well - to be fair there has been a significant divergence from company/employee loyalty on both sides.

Company loyalty for burger flippers at fast food joint? seriously??? Some jobs will just have high turnover rates and working at a Mcdonald's is one of them...