NYC Fast Food Workers Go On Strike to Protest Low Wages

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Dr. Detroit

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If they pay these people more than prices will increase and they will end up with just about the same buying power.

And these folks do get pay raises on there semi/annual reviews. It may only be 25-cents but damn it - they got a raise.
 

Slew Foot

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Who the hell eats at McD in NYC? Theres a $5 halal cart on every other street corner with the awesomest Gyro ever.
 

chucky2

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NYC? They need to make it $15 an hour. Give the Proggies their wet dream, let them live the effects...
 

ivwshane

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If they pay these people more than prices will increase and they will end up with just about the same buying power.

And these folks do get pay raises on there semi/annual reviews. It may only be 25-cents but damn it - they got a raise.

That's not how supply and demand works. The restaurants can only charge what the market is willing to pay, if they could charge more they would. The total amount of their employees isn't enough to change what the market will pay.
 

DucatiMonster696

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I've got mine! F-you!

Hardly the case.

Its more like a burger flipper position is not worth 15 dollars an hour and neither should pay for such a job increase to turn it into a lifelong career or as a means to support a family compared to other jobs which are indeed worth 15 dollars an hours.

However if you are going to ignore the economic reality of the actual costs to businesses when they are forced to over pay for labor than why not go for broke and demand 30 dollars an hour to assemble and flip a hamburger and slap on some extravagant life long pension plan and health care plan demands as well since the economic reality of this view is far from removed from the real world.
 

Vic Vega

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If a company values their employees, then they will reward them for their hard work.

I just got a raise last week for my hard work...how come these people can't get a raise if they've earned it?

I don't get paying people the bare minimum and not rewarding them for their hard work.

You have a lot to learn about value add and compensation.

You're young and inexperienced. Hopefully that will change.
 

Newbian

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They have those at several places here in the West Coast for a few years now, with Jack in the Box being the most prominent customer.

I actually prefer using them to ordering with a human as I can customize my sandwich with less chance of it being screwed up.

http://www.brandeating.com/2010/07/review-jack-in-box-self-service-kiosk.html

The problem is drive through issues plus don't they actually take more time to get the person to order and out of the place as they either fool around a lot or too stupid to figure how it works?
 

CPA

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If a company values their employees, then they will reward them for their hard work.

I just got a raise last week for my hard work...how come these people can't get a raise if they've earned it?

I don't get paying people the bare minimum and not rewarding them for their hard work.

They do value them. And how do you know they've never received a raise. More importantly, how do you not understand the concept of position value?
 

SheHateMe

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They do value them. And how do you know they've never received a raise. More importantly, how do you not understand the concept of position value?

1) Because $7.25 is MINIMUM wage.
2) Maybe I don't understand it as much as you. I'm pretty sure you're well into your 30's or 40's. I am almost 23 and just joined the workforce. I just think that if people show initiative in their work and they are passionate about it...they should be rewarded.
 

LTC8K6

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$7.25 to $8.00 in 2014, $8.75 in 2015, $9.00 in 2016

NY is jacking up it's min wage already.
 

Exterous

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1) Because $7.25 is MINIMUM wage.
2) Maybe I don't understand it as much as you. I'm pretty sure you're well into your 30's or 40's. I am almost 23 and just joined the workforce. I just think that if people show initiative in their work and they are passionate about it...they should be rewarded.

1) Only one person in the article said they were making $7.25. How do you know the others aren't making between $8.00 and $14 but want to make $15?
2) How do you know they weren't rewarded and that they are passionate? We don't even know how long the lady quoted was working there. For all we know it could still be her first week.


"It's not enough," Elba Godoy, a crew member at a McDonald's just a few blocks from Times Square, said of her $7.25-per-hour minimum wage, which helps support her extended family of seven.

Good god - nor should it be
 

KMFJD

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I think Switzerland pays McD's workers $15 per hour. Of course burgers are more expensive there. Americans are cheap bastards though, they would rather fast food workers live in cars than pay an extra buck for a big Mac.

It's $16.50 an hour at Mcd's in Australia
 

CPA

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1) Because $7.25 is MINIMUM wage.
2) Maybe I don't understand it as much as you. I'm pretty sure you're well into your 30's or 40's. I am almost 23 and just joined the workforce. I just think that if people show initiative in their work and they are passionate about it...they should be rewarded.

1) And business has determined that certain positions are worth the minimum wage.

2) How can you infer their initiative from this article? They are rewarded with a paycheck at a rate they agreed to work for.
 
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1) Because $7.25 is MINIMUM wage.
2) Maybe I don't understand it as much as you. I'm pretty sure you're well into your 30's or 40's. I am almost 23 and just joined the workforce. I just think that if people show initiative in their work and they are passionate about it...they should be rewarded.

Take an accountant out of school. They spend a few years on the job, learning state laws for excise and sales taxes. Now you have someone who has learned a skill and there is value in that. They spend less time preparing reports, can work with state auditors unsupervised and review the work of new people.

Take the burger flipper. There's no where to go. He won't be able to flip burgers appreciably faster than the day he started. So there's a small raise here and there for those improvements, but there is no additional value to the employer. No skill set that he's learned that lets them sell appreciably more burgers.

I understand where you're coming from, that it's a good thing to treat people well. Ultimately it's all about money, regardless of personal feelings. And a burger flipper simply will never be more than a burger flipper.
 

CPA

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Take an accountant out of school. They spend a few years on the job, learning state laws for excise and sales taxes. Now you have someone who has learned a skill and there is value in that. They spend less time preparing reports, can work with state auditors unsupervised and review the work of new people.

Take the burger flipper. There's no where to go. He won't be able to flip burgers appreciably faster than the day he started. So there's a small raise here and there for those improvements, but there is no additional value to the employer. No skill set that he's learned that lets them sell appreciably more burgers.

I understand where you're coming from, that it's a good thing to treat people well. Ultimately it's all about money, regardless of personal feelings. And a burger flipper simply will never be more than a burger flipper.

The only thing I would challenge on this is that there is room for the burger flipper to become something more. If they show initiative and capabilities to lead, learn and demonstrate certain skills, then there is chance that person may move to a position that needs a broader skillset - say like Shift Leader, then Assistant Manager, then Manager, then District Manager, then Regional Manager. Get an education, then move into one of the Corporate departments - like Site Auditor, Quality Control Manager, etc.

However, initiative isn't the only thing a burger flipper needs. Initiative is easy, it's putting into practice those things that will get you noticed.
 
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spacejamz

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However, initiative isn't the only thing a burger flipper needs. Initiative is easy, it's putting into practice those things that will get you noticed.

Have you seen been around today's younger generation? Most of them wouldn't know initiative if it came up and bit them on their ass. They would rather play video games and smoke pot with their friends instead of learning how the real world works...

Will step off my soap box now
 

BoberFett

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Meh, they are trying to alter the marketplace dynamic to get paid more for their jobs. Nothing wrong with that, they are free to try.

The rage against unionization on here always interests me, it reminds me a quote from Madeline Albright's where she was marveling at how some people when they saw their neighbor had a goat, they would want one for themselves. Other people upon seeing the same thing would wish that their neighbors' goat would die.

Who's raging against unionization?

Take your strawmen elsewhere.
 

oznerol

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There's really so much complexity to this issue that it's wrong for people to simply write it off as "burger flippers are only worth minimum wage". It's tied to education, crime, personal responsibility, inflation, commodity prices, CEO incomes.

I'm of the opinion that if you are employed, and perform the requirements of your job, you should be paid at the minimum, a livable wage. Unfortunately "livable" is pretty hard to define for the entire US, or even at the state level. I do not think $8/hour is a livable wage in NYC - in fact, I know it is not.

They say that the majority of new jobs in America will be low skill jobs. Is the plan really to pay these people as little as the government allows? And even then, people also want to cut government assistance programs. Seriously, what do they expect these people to do? They turn to crime and drugs. They're the people who raise shitty kids who also don't respect authority and the cycle continues.

It's nice to think that all they are lacking is ambition. If they just applied themselves they could be much more. But the reality is, some people are born burger flippers. I understand that a lot of our population wasn't lucky enough to be born with a solid family, or good health, or a high IQ. And I really wish people were better at making good decisions, and having a sense of personal responsibility. But again, in reality, they don't.

But saying "screw them, they're worthless" is ultimately just a disservice to everyone.

A rising tide lifts all boats.
 

chucky2

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I agree. NYC should stop being so cheap and mean spirited. $15/hr min wage. Come on NYC, pay people according to your values!
 
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