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spidey07

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5 years on welfare. Just think where this woman could be if she used that time to take advantage of all the FREE education and training available to her. She could have learned a trade and making good money by now.

But no. Bad decisions = bad outcome.
 

Modelworks

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Lots of assumptions here. We really can't judge people by what a few lines in a news article presents, we don't know the details.
In general I think that EBT needs to go . Instead it needs to be replaced by local kitchens that are run by the government. People can sign up to receive meals and each day the kitchen would deliver them. That insures that people have proper nutrition. One of the biggest problems with EBT is that some people do not know how to manage money. They spend the entire months benefit on expensive food like steaks, then have nothing for the remainder of the month.

We have a church here that has a meal service. They fix two meals a day then deliver them to people in need. Anyone can sign up to receive them, they only ask that if you can pay you give them $2 a meal.


The other issue with welfare is child care. Most people on welfare are on it because they have children. So if you put those people to work , you need to provide child care. If someone has 3 children it may not be worth the extra cost to put those children in child care just to have the mother work. In that situation welfare might be cheaper for the taxpayer.

In NC anyone on welfare of working age and not disabled has to attend the work first program. I know quite a bit about it because my cousin is the supervisor for the area where I live, I hear all kinds of stories. The biggest loophole to me is illegals. If a mother comes here with 5 children and she is pregnant or gets pregnant while here and has the child here, the child is now a US citizen and the mother and children are now here to stay since the USA will not separate the family. Needs to be some kind of law that says the child is not a citizen if the mother is not.
http://www.dhhs.state.nc.us/dss/workfirst/index.htm

North Carolina 's Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program, called Work First, is based on the premise that parents have a responsibility to support themselves and their children. Through Work First, parents can get short-term training and other services to help them become employed and self-sufficient, but the responsibility is theirs, and most families have two years to move off Work First Family Assistance. Work First emphasizes three strategies:

1. Diversion : Keeping families off welfare by helping them cope with unexpected emergencies or setbacks.

Under Work First, qualifying families can get a one-time payment equivalent to up to three months worth of cash Work First benefits, based on a needs assessment by the county worker, Medicaid, child care and Food and Nutrition Services, if eligible, and other supportive services.

2. Work: Shortening the length of time that families are on Work First Family Assistance by making work mandatory and by limiting how long a family can receive cash assistance.

To receive Work First Family Assistance benefits, parents must register with the First Stop Employment Assistance Program, sign a Mutual Responsibility Agreement (MRA) and, once they move into the work components of the program, they can continue to receive benefits for up to 24 months. In most cases, families who have reached the 24-month limit cannot receive Work First Family Assistance for three years.

3. Retention: Helping families to stay off public assistance by encouraging them to save and by helping to make sure they really are better off working than on welfare.

Work First increased limits on savings and vehicles, and the state legislature raised income eligibility limits for subsidized child care to ease the burden on low-income, working families. To help families stay employed, counties are also providing services, such as transportation, to families whose income is at or below 200 percent of poverty.

Ultimately, North Carolina 's goal is to help all families move to self-sufficiency. Most will make it all the way; some, because of hardship or disability, will have a harder time.

North Carolina's success thus far at helping families move from cash assistance to work has led to a broadened focus for the Work First Program. No longer is the focus just on helping those families who receive cash assistance move off the rolls. While we remain committed to continuing our assistance to those families, we have added the flexibility and program structure for counties to provide former Work First families with job retention and child and family enrichment services designed to help ensure families' long-term success. Further, since child support is critical to ensuring families' success, we have expanded the Work First Program to allow counties to provide work-related services to non-custodial parents of Work First children.
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
New York City... maybe the people who can't afford to live there should get the hell out.

No need for tax payers to prop up a city whose workers need welfare to survive.

So should all the poor in the U.S. be rounded up and shipped out somewhere?

one can dream...
but honestly, just the lazy leeches of society.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: spidey07
There needs to be some kind of criminal charge for being on welfare more than a year. Some kind of physical punishment or hard labor. Something to show these leaches that what they are doing is wrong and should stop immediately. Only when you let these leaches suffer the consequences of their stupidity and poor decisions will they change. Until that happens we will always have this problem or until we just say enough is enough, no more free shit, get off your ass and get a job.

Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
New York City... maybe the people who can't afford to live there should get the hell out.

No need for tax payers to prop up a city whose workers need welfare to survive.

So should all the poor in the U.S. be rounded up and shipped out somewhere?

Should the government support them?

Absolutely.

The Government shipped the jobs overseas therefore must pay the piper.
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL, $150/month? Where is the outrage?

Then maybe you should just provide that $150 from your own pocket, so the outrage can stop! I mean it's nothing but a small change from you! Even better provide for the entire NY State welfare! I mean it's only a few millions $$$ a day!
 

Carmen813

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This thread is full of a lot of assumptions, and very little actual valuable discussion. I work with people on welfare everyday, and you know what, they are just like us. Out of the dozens I have met, I would say 2 families are gaming the system. Go volunteer someplace and educate yourself.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
Go volunteer someplace and educate yourself.

Republicans on this forum are incapable of both, especially the learning part.

So rich mentally retarded republicans once again hate on poor people. Spoiled children posting how about how hard they worked while living off the parents is ever so great. Plus Jaskalas hoping for concentration camps for people he doesn't like, also not surprising.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Republicans on this forum are incapable of both, especially the learning part.

Amen brother Amen


Well if that isnt the cutest thing i've ever seen....
 

amdhunter

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Originally posted by: spidey07
There needs to be some kind of criminal charge for being on welfare more than a year. Some kind of physical punishment or hard labor. Something to show these leaches that what they are doing is wrong and should stop immediately. Only when you let these leaches suffer the consequences of their stupidity and poor decisions will they change. Until that happens we will always have this problem or until we just say enough is enough, no more free shit, get off your ass and get a job.

Yes, because there are so many jobs out there right now. There are people out there with degrees coming out of every orifice of their bodies who can't find work; how is someone who has been poor their whole lives supposed to compete?

Not even the fast-food joints are hiring these days.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: amdhunter
Originally posted by: spidey07
There needs to be some kind of criminal charge for being on welfare more than a year. Some kind of physical punishment or hard labor. Something to show these leaches that what they are doing is wrong and should stop immediately. Only when you let these leaches suffer the consequences of their stupidity and poor decisions will they change. Until that happens we will always have this problem or until we just say enough is enough, no more free shit, get off your ass and get a job.

Yes, because there are so many jobs out there right now. There are people out there with degrees coming out of every orifice of their bodies who can't find work; how is someone who has been poor their whole lives supposed to compete?

Not even the fast-food joints are hiring these days.

Obviously the answer is for everyone to move to Kentucky

They are apparently shitting jobs
 

Rhonda the Sly

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[Georgeanna Hicks] also depends on her daughter, who pays for things like her cellphone bill.
Why are we outraged over her daughter (who's financial status is unknown) paying her cell phone bill...? Someone brought up a land-line, if she's barely scraping the bottom of the barrel I'd imagine (hope?) she'd be smart enough to not to pay for duplicate services. But without knowing her, or breaking into her house, we just can't tell. But, there is good news...

But she said her daughter recently lost her job, and is struggling to keep up with her own expenses.
...I don't think that cell phone will be around much longer... (and I saved money on my car insurance by switching to Geico)

?I can go look for a job more often now,? she said. ?I?ll do my laundry more often. I?ll spend it on things like toilet paper, lotion, dishwashing soap. I can?t really buy much of anything, but it?ll help me.?

Several people interviewed on Thursday said they felt nickel-and-dimed by the growing cost of living, and especially by things like the higher subway fares, the rising cost of food, and even seemingly minuscule price increases at the laundry.
I think it helps to point out that it's the poor and the sick who are the first to get cut off at the knees when the shit hits the fan. They poor are typically unskilled and are a large group competing to enter a market that pays meagerly, sometimes requiring two jobs (which are being shed in large numbers) to get by. Even if she goes back to school she's going to be broke for a while.

Someone who can barely afford her metro tickets or soap (soap!) doesn't have much hope moving from New York to Kentucky. I guess the answer would be for everyone in close proximity to Kentucky to move to Kentucky so they can swim in the job pool.

[Louise Ellis] spends most of her spare cash on Dequan, who frequently needs new shoes and clothes. ?Even on sale, they?re still expensive,? she said.
Huh, frequently? I hope he's growing quickly and not keeping up with trends...

Say, maybe Obama could do welfare reform next? Huh? Huh!?

Needs to be some kind of law that says the child is not a citizen if the mother is not.
While I fully agree that something needs to be done, I think this would never fly. If proposed as law I'm sure this would be shot down immediately as gender descriminatory. And If both parents are illegal, it sounds great, but if only one is how do we come to this conclusion that the baby is as well? If one of the parents is American and the child was born on American soil, the baby is pretty much American. This is especially problematic if the mother is deported, I don't know law but I imagine that the child would be deported as well, even if it's against the American father's wishes. That said, I don't like the idea of people getting preggers over here just for residency. We should really make sure someone is a resident for a minimum of a few (5+) years before they are eligible for any money, maybe 2+ for any minor services I can't really think of at the moment.

And, for bonus points, an Open Dictionary submission I just saw on Merriam-Webster:
gayby
noun
: the baby of a gay parent or parents

Goodnight, P&N. It's 3AM and I don't even know why I'm up, but I barely am. If this post is a rambling, Sanford-style stream of consciousness, I apologize.

[Edit:]spelling eeror.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Rhonda the Sly

Needs to be some kind of law that says the child is not a citizen if the mother is not.
While I fully agree that something needs to be done, I think this would never fly. If proposed as law I'm sure this would be shot down immediately as gender descriminatory. And If both parents are illegal, it sounds great, but if only one is how do we come to this conclusion that the baby is as well? If one of the parents is American and the child was born on American soil, the baby is pretty much American. This is especially problematic if the mother is deported, I don't know law but I imagine that the child would be deported as well, even if it's against the American father's wishes. That said, I don't like the idea of people getting preggers over here just for residency. We should really make sure someone is a resident for a minimum of a few (5+) years before they are eligible for any money, maybe 2+ for any minor services I can't really think of at the moment.

The other reason this would never fly is that you would probably end up creating large amounts of people who were citizens of nowhere, and this would create a whole lot of unrelated problems. I do not think the only reason this has not been implemented is because governments are so sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants, they have probably realized that the cure is worse than the disease.
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
New York City... maybe the people who can't afford to live there should get the hell out.

No need for tax payers to prop up a city whose workers need welfare to survive.

So should all the poor in the U.S. be rounded up and shipped out somewhere?

yes, California...

X2 :laugh:
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
This thread is full of a lot of assumptions, and very little actual valuable discussion. I work with people on welfare everyday, and you know what, they are just like us. Out of the dozens I have met, I would say 2 families are gaming the system. Go volunteer someplace and educate yourself.

So we are supposed to believe everything they say just like we have to believe all those in prisons that they're not guilty! Right! OK, I'll volunteer although I've been volunteering for the last 25 years of my life! Sure most of them they're like the rest of us except we work while they'd rather have someone work for them!
 
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