NYPD cops leave force in alarming rate — over 2,500 turned in badges so far in 2023

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HomerJS

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They were sadly called to handle a domestic violence issue, and the idiot shot and wounded them both, both dying.

I personally don't know why anyone would do this job, it is what it is.

This is going to give the GOP ammo in 2024.
Why would it be GOP ammo when they did not support capital police?
 
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Mai72

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They were sadly called to handle a domestic violence issue, and the idiot shot and wounded them both, both dying.

I personally don't know why anyone would do this job, it is what it is.

This is going to give the GOP ammo in 2024.

Depends on where you're stationed. NYC can be difficult. Working as a cop at a shore town in NJ is cake. In the winter its dead, and in the summer they have to deal with tourist. I'd rather be a cop in a wealthy shore town like Stone Harbor, or a middle class town like Wildwood Crest NJ than be a cop in Trenton, Philly or Nerwark NJ.
 
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trenchfoot

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It seems to me that any gov't run institution if given decades upon decades to settle in and protect their fiefdoms from outsiders will inevitably be corrupted in more ways than one. Deals will be made top to bottom and once in, there is only a matter of getting in deeper and deeper with no clean way out. Organized crime and politicians looking for an angle are always on the lookout for soft spots to exploit.

Having been given the authority to administer street justice is too much of plum to be ignored by those organizations that can and will exploit it for fun and profit. Especially when you inevitably end up with recruits having a Rambo complex or having a well hidden revenge motive to accomplish. Those types can easily be corrupted given the opportunity.
 
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Leeea

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I for one would like to take a moment to thank the true heros of our society, pizza delivery drivers:
According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a pizza delivery driver is at a higher risk of injury and death than a construction worker or police officer.
https://www.hanningsacchetto.com/bl...than-construction-workers-or-police-officers/

It is a thin bread line out there between starvation and despair.

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At some point I just became tired of police whining about how dangerous their job is. How they became oriented away from community and moved to empty the magazine just in case attitude.


Their job is dangerous. There are lots of jobs routinely dangerous and heroic.

ER staff average lifespan 58 years. Turns out nobody is perfect all of the time. https://hcn.health/hcn-trends-story/medical-specialties-ranked-by-life-expectancy/


I seem to remember fire fighters also having quite a bit of their life expectancy being reduced, something to do with breathing things that are not particularly healthy and running into structurally questionable buildings.

Then there are the smoke jumpers. Out here in CA their are highways and monuments dedicated to dead smoke jumpers. No way that is not a dangerous and heroic job.

Oh, and then there are the road workers. You know, the people who clean the crap off the free way. Those people. That is an incredibly dangerous job. The person who drives the truck with the long absorb the impact bumper is in an especially bad spot. Passenger vehicles keep getting heavier, and impacts are inevitable. That person is a hero of the first order. They know they are going to get hit. They know it might be nothing, or they might end up in the hospital, or they might end up dead. The person who drives the safety truck, on the highway cleanup crew, grade A hero.
 
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HomerJS

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I for one would like to take a moment to thank the true heros of our society, pizza delivery drivers:

https://www.hanningsacchetto.com/bl...than-construction-workers-or-police-officers/

It is a thin bread line out their between starvation and despair.

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At some point I just became tired of police whining about how dangerous there job is. How they became oriented away from community and moved to empty the magazine just in case attitude.


Their job is dangerous. There are lots of jobs routinely dangerous and heroic.

ER staff average lifespan 58 years. Turns out nobody is perfect all of the time. https://hcn.health/hcn-trends-story/medical-specialties-ranked-by-life-expectancy/


I seem to remember fire fighters also having quite a bit of their life expectancy being reduced, something to do with breathing things that are not particularly healthy and running into structurally questionable buildings.

Then there are the smoke jumpers. Out here in CA their are highways and monuments dedicated to dead smoke jumpers. No way that is not a dangerous and heroic job.

Oh, and then there are the road workers. You know, the people who clean the crap off the free way. Those people. That is an incredibly dangerous job. The person who drives the truck with the long absorb the impact bumper is in an especially bad spot. Passenger vehicles keep getting heavier, and impacts are inevitable. That person is a hero of the first order. They know they are going to get hit. They know it might be nothing, or they might end up in the hospital, or they might end up dead. The person who drives the safety truck, on the highway cleanup crew, grade A hero.
AMEN!
 

dank69

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Not to nitpick too much, but being dead doesn't mean they're useful. Kinda opposite actually.
At least they can't abuse their power anymore.

I don't see how attrition is going to help, because there is no guaranty that only bad cops leave. Good ones are just as likely. If they really do have so many bad police, they need to reform their recruiting policies.
When you have a precinct with with 50 officers and 30 of them are Nazis what you really have is a precinct with 50 Nazis. Until police unions are disbanded there are no good cops. Just shitty cops who maybe do good things once in a while.
 
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Ajay

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Wow! Sounds like exactly the sort of people who should be going into a tense situation and waving a loaded firearm around, with a high potential of being shielded entirely from wrongdoing!
Yeah. I'm of the opinion that police recruits need to go through a more rigorous selection process and receive far more extensive training - particularly for departments operating in urban environments. If that means we need to pay better for a more professional police force, then so be it.
 
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If the police are that emotional sounds like they can't be trusted to hold public office. At least that's what they tell women politicians, and those don't even carry guns or have to deal with situations where emotional stability literally can be life or death. Seems like all police need to be sent for psychological evaluation.

Also, this is a recurring intentional deliberate move by police departments. They scream about budgets while they deliberately cut the number officers so that the ones they do have can claim ridiculous amounts of overtime (wherein they're often not doing jack shit during that OT, and in fact they're often partaking in working private events as security where they get to triple dip, paid for special assignment, paid OT, and paid as security by the event - even though they do less than the actual security of the event). Then they claim they can't police properly because of budget cuts and too few police.
 
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GettyRoad

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Wow! Sounds like exactly the sort of people who should be going into a tense situation and waving a loaded firearm around, with a high potential of being shielded entirely from wrongdoing!
They are emotional in that they are passionate....A criminal justice professor from years past said you have to give cops the benefit of the doubt sometimes because they face split-second decisions and the adrenaline rush comes out...
 

Leeea

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They are emotional in that they are passionate....A criminal justice professor from years past said you have to give cops the benefit of the doubt sometimes because they face split-second decisions and the adrenaline rush comes out...
Just like the ER doc faces split second life and death decisions and gets blanket immunity ... oh wait, he doesn't!

-blinks-

That seems a bit unfair. Why does the police officer get immunity?

That makes no sense to me at all.
 

GettyRoad

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Just like the ER doc faces split second life and death decisions and gets blanket immunity ... oh wait, he doesn't!

-blinks-

That seems a bit unfair. Why does the police officer get immunity?

That makes no sense to me at all.


Because people feel they risk their lives and they have a tough job, so they get the immunity.
 

Leeea

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Because people feel they risk their lives and they have a tough job, so they get the immunity.
who decided that?

I don't remember ever voting on that. I don't remember any law makers ever passing any laws on that. Where did that ever come from?


In 1967, the United States Supreme Court introduced qualified immunity in Pierson v. Ray to protect police officers from financial liability after they arrested 15 clergy members for breaching the peace after they attempted to use a segregated waiting room at a bus station.
This all makes sense now.

IT'S FUCKING RACIST BULLSHIT!!!

Nothing to do with them risking their lives or doing a tough job. Immunity was granted by 8 old white men so they could nasty things to black people at will.

I am glad we cleared that up.
 
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HomerJS

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They are emotional in that they are passionate....A criminal justice professor from years past said you have to give cops the benefit of the doubt sometimes because they face split-second decisions and the adrenaline rush comes out...
Why do you have to give cops that hate minorities any benefit of doubt?
 

GettyRoad

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Why do you have to give cops that hate minorities any benefit of doubt?
Not all cops hate minorities, a lot of cops have done well in black communities
Democrats are lucky Republicans are a shit show right now and someone like Haley isn't the frontrunner, because she'd be using the police-community problem to surge suburbanites to a GOP win.

 

HomerJS

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Not all cops hate minorities, a lot of cops have done well in black communities
Democrats are lucky Republicans are a shit show right now and someone like Haley isn't the frontrunner, because she'd be using the police-community problem to surge suburbanites to a GOP win.

I never said "all". Stop with the strawman.

Cops are know to have made it known their distain for minorities should not be given the benefit of the doubt.

Cops who know about these "bad apples" and remain silent are part of the problem.

If the GOP are so pro-cop why did they fail to support the Capital Police?
 

SteveGrabowski

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Just like the ER doc faces split second life and death decisions and gets blanket immunity ... oh wait, he doesn't!

-blinks-

That seems a bit unfair. Why does the police officer get immunity?

That makes no sense to me at all.
ER docs work on important white people, cops murder black people.
 
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nickqt

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I never said "all". Stop with the strawman.

Cops are know to have made it known their distain for minorities should not be given the benefit of the doubt.

Cops who know about these "bad apples" and remain silent are part of the problem.

If the GOP are so pro-cop why did they fail to support the Capital Police?
I'm answering out of place, but right-wing authoritarians only care about authority figures that they support...a rightful authority figure.

Donald Trump and his cabal of criminal associates? Great people. The best.

Capitol police who shoots insurrectionist threatening the literal government? Murderer.

They disdain police and military who aren't outright fascists.

Everything has to be viewed through that lens.
 

GettyRoad

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I never said "all". Stop with the strawman.

Cops are know to have made it known their distain for minorities should not be given the benefit of the doubt.

Cops who know about these "bad apples" and remain silent are part of the problem.

If the GOP are so pro-cop why did they fail to support the Capital Police?
True, they need to keep their biases off the job
They remain silent because they don't want to be whistleblowers, like these two former cops.





If people had better social and personal control and behavior, there won't be the need for government workers in uniform with billy clubs........
 
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