NYPD maces dog near his passed out owner, shoot dog after it gets aggressive.

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k.

Damn straight.

 

[AHamick]

So the Police were there to check the well being of a man passed out, with witnesses stating he had OD'd and people here are expecting the Police and first responders to WAIT and coddle an aggressive dog off the scene before making sure the HUMAN BEING isn't actually dying?

What would all of you be saying if they waited for an animal control handler to arrive and during the wait this homeless man died?

 

[z1ggy]

I didn't read the article, just the summary here and the replies. I agree that it should be human's lives first... But did they need to kill the dog? I mean... Was it attacking the police or other people? If it was aggressively trying to hurt others then okay, I could see having to take action. But if it is just barking a lot and acting out a bit, is that really a justified act? I could imagine the dog may have been scared or threatened with all the people around making a scene.

 

[sourceninja]

I bet a donut would have solved this problem and we all know the police have them in the cars.

 

[Number1]

Nowhere does it say that the dog bit anyone.

I read it in one of the comments in the article from one of the eye withness:

http://observer.com/2012/08/dog-shot-14th-street-08132012/

"AteBall • 14 hours ago −
I had just crossed the street and was a witness to what happened. I did not see any mace or any other spray being used on this dog, though that may have happened earlier. I saw an elderly woman approach the dog, and heard police requesting that she keep her distance. She continued, and the dog approached her and bit her leg. I do not think that it was being hostile, but it was clearly biting her. She reacted to being bit, and the police shouted at her to move away. This is when the dog turned to the police and approached them. I can't really blame the dog, because it's a dog and it has no clue what was going to happen, At the same time, I didn't see any mace being sprayed, and I found it difficult to view this as an abuse of power when I saw it. I was very upset, and really I feel that this woman was to blame. It made no sense to approach this dog, because it was barking at people, and the cops were yelling at her to keep her distance. Within 20 seconds of the shot being fired, I heard additional sirens, so maybe animal control was on the way or something, I didn't stick around. It just makes me feel sick that this whole thing could have been avoided if the dog was given more space.

 

[Number1]

The shallow heartlessness displayed by several posters in this thread saddens me.

His owner was passed out, and the dog was just protecting him. That dog didn't have to die. That poor homeless bastard didn't deserve to have his closest companion on this earth shot to death.

This could and should have been handled better. Why wasn't animal control called?

I agree animal control should have been called and shooting should have been the LAST option on the table but sometime, shit happen.

Writing this with my 2 dachshunds, a male and a female sitting on my lap. We rescued them a few months ago and they cost us a fortune, neutering, bad teeth etc, but boy are they ever nice lap dogs. The most affectionate dogs I have ever owned.

 

[Number1]

I bet a donut would have solved this problem and we all know the police have them in the cars.

I thought they carried them in their pockets.

 

[techs]

It sounds like the cops needed to check on the passed out guy and the dog was just protecting him.

Its sad that they had to shoot the dog. I can certainly see the officers acting correctly if they believed the passed out guy could die and waiting for animal control would take to long.

It's even more sad how people are venting their anger at cops and/or homeless people in this thread.

 

[Iron Woode]

the problem with homeless people who have a dog is that the dog is usually malnourished, never sees a vet and never has rabies shots or pest controls. These dogs are dangerous in many ways.

Where I live animal control removes these "pets" for their own safety.

as for this case: shoot the damn dog. Once it lunges at a cop its fair game.

 

[jlee]

That article seems to have an issue with the fact that this is the second shooting in that area in three days.

In case anyone was wondering, here's the other shooting:
http://www.policeone.com/suspect-pu...mes-Square-shooting-witnesses-followed-chase/

As officers spoke to Kennedy, he became agitated, pulled out an 11-inch knife and began to put a bandanna on his head, police said. He ignored repeated orders to drop the knife and began backing away from them, continuing for blocks as he waved the knife and drew many officers into a slow-speed pursuit that itself lured onlookers.

Rocha said the unusual scene was the first time he had ever seen anything like it in any of his several visits to New York City.

"You see something like this, you want to record it," he said. And in Times Square, crowded with countless tourists, street vendors and New Yorkers, many others apparently felt the same way.

Though Rocha stayed put, held back by his wife's insistence, the others following the chase pulled out cellphones to capture footage and, in some cases, offer commentary.

"They're going to shoot you, boy," a man's voice is heard yelling on a video that an onlooker provided to The New York Times.

Numerous officers can be seen going down the street in another video on the website of the New York Daily News.

According to the police, officers pepper-sprayed Kennedy six times but he held onto the knife throughout, wiping the spray off his face. Finally, he lunged at police and two officers shot him in the torso, police said.

 

[sourceninja]

That article seems to have an issue with the fact that this is the second shooting in that area in three days.

In case anyone was wondering, here's the other shooting:
http://www.policeone.com/suspect-pu...mes-Square-shooting-witnesses-followed-chase/

Sounds like a legit shooting.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

This country and probably most, criminally undertrains and underequips its police forces. I suspect that the technology to deal non-lethally with guys with knives, or dogs, exists, but that no one wants to spend the money to deploy it and train to use it.

I mean, you usually can't blame the officer on the ground for shooting a guy with a knife when he starts running at you. But you can blame the police forces, or the local governments that are responsible for funding them, as a whole for being unequipped to deal with these things. The problem is that no one is being held accountable for this lack of preparation. Status quo is OK.

BTW, most of these "guy charges cops with a knife" cases. Are these people not mentally ill, or had a reaction to routine medication or something? Are the causes of these things not investigated? Are these people really sane people who decide to just roll the dice and charge after a gun wielding police officer with a knife?

 

[jlee]

This country and probably most, criminally undertrains and underequips its police forces. I suspect that the technology to deal non-lethally with guys with knives, or dogs, exists, but that no one wants to spend the money to deploy it and train to use it.

I mean, you usually can't blame the officer on the ground for shooting a guy with a knife when he starts running at you. But you can blame the police forces, or the local governments that are responsible for funding them, as a whole for being unequipped to deal with these things. The problem is that no one is being held accountable for this lack of preparation. Status quo is OK.

BTW, most of these "guy charges cops with a knife" cases. Are these people not mentally ill, or had a reaction to routine medication or something? Are the causes of these things not investigated? Are these people really sane people who decide to just roll the dice and charge after a gun wielding police officer with a knife?

Drugs, alcohol, mental issues - unfortunately whatever their condition may be does not lessen the immediate lethal threat. Countering a lethal threat with non-deadly means is a good way to get seriously injured or killed. These guys tried OC repeatedly - a Taser could have been attempted if available, less-lethal shotgun rounds, but when it comes down to needing to stop a threat ASAP, a firearm is the best option.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Drugs, alcohol, mental issues - unfortunately whatever their condition may be does not lessen the immediate lethal threat. Countering a lethal threat with non-deadly means is a good way to get seriously injured or killed. These guys tried OC repeatedly - a Taser could have been attempted if available, less-lethal shotgun rounds, but when it comes down to needing to stop a threat ASAP, a firearm is the best option.

I understand how mace or tasers or whatever is still dangerous, I was really referring to higher tech things like weighted net-throwing equipment(surely that can be done in real life), or, uh, isn't there supposed to be some piece of technology coming up that projects an energy wave that makes people feel like they're on fire?

 

[OutHouse]

According to the police, officers pepper-sprayed Kennedy six times but he held onto the knife throughout, wiping the spray off his face. Finally, he lunged at police and two officers shot him in the torso, police said.

were were the tazers???

 

[Perknose]

I read it in one of the comments in the article from one of the eye withness:

http://observer.com/2012/08/dog-shot-14th-street-08132012/

"AteBall • 14 hours ago −
I had just crossed the street and was a witness to what happened. I did not see any mace or any other spray being used on this dog, though that may have happened earlier. I saw an elderly woman approach the dog, and heard police requesting that she keep her distance. She continued, and the dog approached her and bit her leg.

I only read the article at first, not the comments, so I hadn't seen that. People posting in the comments section of other sites often tend to make ATOT look like a genius forum.

Having then read all the comments, though, it is still not 100% clear to me what really happened: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33827411&postcount=22

Please note that I'm not saying the cops were power drunk death monsters, just that it's brutally unfortunate and sad to me how this all played out. I wish Animal Control had gotten there in time.

 

[MrColin]

While I'm critical of the police shooting anything that that can't shoot back, I can understand how this happens. That dog's owner let him down in a big way by not keeping it on a leash, and or being in the company of people who would help to keep the dog out of trouble.

The truly sick population density of NYC, and the fact that NYPD has to protect this population who it has been shown are 40% mentally ill, and 50% stupid by my own estimation, leads me to think that this dog was a threat. Dogs in traffic cause accidents, and idiotic strangers approach and get bitten.

In my experience 99% of pet dogs will recognize your dominance the second you throw a slip leash on it.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

From the article.

UPDATE:*Apparently, the dog lived. Which is not, for the record, how*Old Yeller ends.

Different article.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...ot-by-cop-east-village-alive-stable-condition

 

[MrColin]

Every time I read about this I start to crave KFC. I wish they would describe the injuries suffered by the dog, just cuz I'm curious and have experience treating injured pets.