NYPD not making minor arrests or traffic stops

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unixwizzard

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The only story here is that we don't have to worry about getting a ticket if we don't come to a complete stop at stop signs.

Have they all also come down with stuffy noses and no longer "smell weed" when they encounter someone they want to hassle, or is that still their favorite go-to excuse?
 

Ruptga

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The US Congress and Executive government were set up to be sclerotic by our founding fathers. The slowness and difficulty of governance was by design. That was so that those with too much power could never come to light. It was also that real things would get done at the local level. That way, local and state governments could compete with each other and copy best examples. It has worked well, IMHO...

Due process does not require the incompetence or the endless petty bickering that we have come to expect from our elected officials.
 

her209

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Because it's a clear sign that the police are refusing to do their jobs.

Maybe the opposite is true. Too many on the force resulted in cops inventing reasons to ticket and arrest people to meet the quotas to justify those on the force or justify adding more cops because of a "spike" in crimes.
 

Dr. Zaus

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If they didn't start off as bullies then they wouldn't end out shot in self defense.
 

Nebor

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Maybe the opposite is true. Too many on the force resulted in cops inventing reasons to ticket and arrest people to meet the quotas to justify those on the force or justify adding more cops because of a "spike" in crimes.

This is nonsensical. The force is the same size as it was.
 

Dari

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Due process does not require the incompetence or the endless petty bickering that we have come to expect from our elected officials.

Incompetence and pettiness is not the sole purview of federal politcians, or of politicians in general...
 

1sikbITCH

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This happens in every major city. police doesnt get the contract they want, they stop responding to calls for a month until the city breaks.

I can only find 3. Boston in 1919, NYC in 1971, and Baltimore in 1974. You'd think they'd do it on the regular but nope. I actually expected to find that it was illegal for police and firefighters to strike same as air traffic controllers.
 

Ruptga

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Incompetence and pettiness is not the sole purview of federal politcians, or of politicians in general...

Who said they did, and why would you think that's relevant? I started out saying that this is a tendency of US culture in general. We would rather bitch and stomp off than ever try to reach a real (lasting) resolution. In fact, you're looked down on if you don't, since it shows "weak leadership" or a "lack of loyalty to your ideals". And let's not forget "America, love it or leave it", if that long-lasting slogan isn't a clear example I don't know what could be.
 

Dari

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Who said they did, and why would you think that's relevant? I started out saying that this is a tendency of US culture in general. We would rather bitch and stomp off than ever try to reach a real (lasting) resolution. In fact, you're looked down on if you don't, since it shows "weak leadership" or a "lack of loyalty to your ideals". And let's not forget "America, love it or leave it", if that long-lasting slogan isn't a clear example I don't know what could be.

I don't think so. I think this whole pettiness BS is a new phenomenon in American politics, started by the far-right (and only the far-right). Unfortunately, this antic plays well with that type of crowd so they keep doing it. IIRC, it started in the 1990s when Republicans went after Bill Clinton over a minor/personal affair.
 

Ruptga

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I don't think so. I think this whole pettiness BS is a new phenomenon in American politics, started by the far-right (and only the far-right). Unfortunately, this antic plays well with that type of crowd so they keep doing it. IIRC, it started in the 1990s when Republicans went after Bill Clinton over a minor/personal affair.

LOLNO, murrica love it or leave it is at least as old as the Vietnam war. Also, US conservatives do have a particular love for that kind of behavior, but moderates and liberals do it way too often for conservatives to get all the credit.
 

Dari

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good synopsis on the events of this thread. Also, I'd like to remind LK that it is his beloved NYPD that's responsible for almost all the horseshit littered across Manhattan. Their horses shit wherever they please. The private carriages, iirc, have something that catches their horseshit.

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Is New York police's 'virtual work stoppage' a boon for critics?

What if a major US city's police department drastically reduced the number of arrests it made and fines and citations it issued, and no one noticed?

Such seems to have been the case in New York City last month, as police officers apparently began a deliberate work slowdown - labelled a "virtual work stoppage" by the New York Post, which first reported the numbers (independently confirmed by the BBC).

For the week of 22 December, citywide traffic tickets dropped 94% from the same period in 2013. Court summons for low-level offences, like public intoxication, also dropped 94%. Parking tickets were down 92%. Overall arrests were down 66%, as well.

The proximate cause of the slowdown, according to the Post, was the murder of two New York police officers - Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu - by a gunman who had taken to social media earlier in the day to cite police abuses in New York and Ferguson, Missouri, as his motivation.

Other police concerns appear to be at play, including the the department's rocky relationship with New York Mayor Bill de Blasio.

"Police sources said Monday that safety concerns were the main reason for the drop-off in police activity, but added that some cops were mounting an undeclared slowdown in protest of de Blasio's response to the non-indictment in the police chokehold death of Eric Garner," the Post reporters write.

The New York Daily News found that the two police precincts where the murdered officers worked issued only one ticket or criminal summons in the seven days following the attack, down from 626 made during the previous week.

The massive drop in law enforcement has prompted a mix of concern and - perhaps surprisingly - hope among some police critics. The hope is revealed as some commentators wonder whether the public at large will start viewing the previously high levels of police activity as unnecessary for keeping the city safe.

They've used the opportunity to push back against the "broken windows theory" of law enforcement, in which low-level crimes are vigorously prosecuted as a way to prevent the occurrence of more major infractions. The principle has been a staple of New York City policing since Rudy Giuliani became mayor in 1994, but has been criticised as leading to a disproportional punishment of minorities.

Several writers point to a particular line in the Post piece - that police are now "turning a blind eye to some minor crimes and making arrests only 'when they have to'" - as prime evidence of ongoing police overzealousness.

"Well, we can only hope the NYPD unions and de Blasio settle their differences soon so that the police can go back to arresting people for reasons other than 'when they have to'," Scott Shackford of the libertarian Reason magazine wryly notes.

One of those "other" reasons numerous critics on the left and right point to is the financial boon for city coffers that comes from fines and court fees generated by law enforcement.

The police slowdown "shines a light on the use of police officers to make up for tax shortfalls using ticket and citation revenue", writes Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi.

"It's wrong to put law enforcement in the position of having to make up for budget shortfalls with parking tickets, and it's even more wrong to ask its officers to soak already cash-strapped residents of hot spot neighbourhoods with mountains of summonses as part of a some stats-based crime-reduction strategy," he continues.

What if these latest developments show that the New York police can "safely cut arrests by two-thirds", asks the Atlantic's Matt Ford. The implications are immense, he says. Fewer people could be arrested and sent to prisons that often have brutal conditions.

"A brush with the American criminal-justice system can be toxic for someone's socioeconomic and physical health," he says.

The New York Daily News's Harry Siegel writes that while New York police have "real reasons to be upset" about Mr de Blasio's efforts to expose law enforcement officers to greater criminal prosecution, they shouldn't have launched this "unprecedented, deeply disturbing, police rebellion".

He compares the slowdown to attempted extortion. "Nice city you got here," he writes. "Be a shame if something happened to it."

But with crime in the city dropping in 2014, and the streets apparently calm even during the latest police (in)action, the move could backfire.

"It's tough to run a protection racket when people don't feel threatened, and New York ended 2014 with new lows in murders, rapes, burglaries, grand larcenies and robberies," he writes. "For over 20 years, crime has dropped as the NYPD has doubled and redoubled its enforcement efforts. At some point, the chemo is deadlier than the cancer."

The Federalist's Ben Domenech goes even farther, calling the police move a threat to democracy more reminiscent of a Latin American coup d'etat.

"The NYPD needed to be reminded that chain of command exists, and that they are not at the top of it," he writes. "Instead, what New York City is experiencing now amounts to nothing less than open rebellion by the lone armed force under the worst kind of weakened junta, one led by a figure ideologically radical and personally weak, who has lost control of his bureaucracies and may soon be devoured by them."

There are clearly storm clouds looming over New York City. But will the end result be newly discovered silver linings or an impending deluge?
 

Subyman

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I'm beginning to think they were told to simmer down for a month or so. The double car policy probably stopped them from making a lot of smaller arrests. Normal beats may have been changed to have more guys on it and they may have been attending conferences and retraining. I'm not sure it is a bad thing so far. A cooling off period may be what everyone needs.
 

RadiclDreamer

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I can't believe how childish, immature and irresponsible the police are being.

I can...sadly.

I know there are tons of good ones out there, but I personally dont feel they do enough to weed out the bad ones, its like they dont want the hassle which I can also understand, but right is right and there are too many cops that do just plain WRONG.
 
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