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lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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So that means that people disagree with the mayor because they hate black people? Is that you Kanye?

People might dislike him for a variety of reasons, some of them stupid. But the race card is getting really, really old.

I don't know anything about the mayor. What I've heard on the radio is the mayor's done nothing egregious in particular, and the cops are being petulant cunts. I was speaking in generalities.
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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So that means that people disagree with the mayor because they hate black people? Is that you Kanye?

People might dislike him for a variety of reasons, some of them stupid. But the race card is getting really, really old.
His, the mayor, dumb ass shouldn't have played it.



What was the lawsuit he dismissed when he took office?
 

Genx87

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Poor little babies. What will they do to abuse the population if they quit doing their jobs?
 

Blanky

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So much for cops being courageous. Two out of a massive police force get shot and they tuck tail?

At least they allowed conceal carry permits in NYC so that people can protect themselves if the cops are elsewhere, right? (nope)
 
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highland145

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I don't know anything about the mayor. What I've heard on the radio is the mayor's done nothing egregious in particular, and the cops are being petulant cunts. I was speaking in generalities.
Hell. I google image searched the bolded. WTH was I thinking, I'm on the home PC?
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
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Hell. I google image searched the bolded. WTH was I thinking, I'm on the home PC?

RoFL!

On the bright side, I'm famous! Third listing by DuckDuckGo!

Edit:
Whoops, that was text search. I'll have to check images.

Edit2:
safe search is pretty boring. Safe off gets out of control fast :^O
 
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highland145

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RoFL!

On the bright side, I'm famous! Third listing by DuckDuckGo!

Edit:
Whoops, that was text search. I'll have to check images.

Edit2:
safe search is pretty boring. Safe off gets out of control fast :^O
I'll just blame it on the 13 yo when the wife checks net nanny.


:awe:
 

LegendKiller

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LegendKiller, NYC is not "disgusting". It's the greatest city in the world. Just because you couldn't make it here doesn't make it any less great. The City ran you out, nothing else to say.

As for the police, they're throwing their toys out of the crib in response to the mayor speaking the truth. It's ok. These assholes are in the denial phase. It's a long road to a better, stronger NYPD.


Yeah, that's it. Rofl. My dad had stage 4 esophageal cancer and was going to die within a year, so I took a job where i kept 92% of my nyc salary and got paid 3× my nyc bonus in a place where cost of living was 40% less and the place doesn't stink like horse and homeless piss and shit and rats aND roaches are everywher, all so I could see him the rest of the time he had and my kids could know their grandfather. I can come back to nyc any time I want on my company's dime and live there with 2x my current comp with any numbers of hedge funds or money managers. You can keep your shithole city.
 

K1052

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NYC was turned around by going after petty crime. By nipping the problem in the bud, before many of these people progressed to more and more severe crimes, they went from most dangerous large city to safest large city.

That assertion is largely not supported by the available data.

Best guess of most of the people who have looked at is is that economic improvement, demographic shifts, and larger national trends of reduced crime played significant, but unquantifiable, roles in addition to new policing methods (Compstat, Broken Windows, etc). To a certain extent academics and professionals (the ones not pushing a pet theory) who have studied the dramatic drop in NYC crime are at something of a loss to really explain it in full.
 

Dari

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Oct 25, 2002
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Yeah, that's it. Rofl. My dad had stage 4 esophageal cancer and was going to die within a year, so I took a job where i kept 92% of my nyc salary and got paid 3× my nyc bonus in a place where cost of living was 40% less and the place doesn't stink like horse and homeless piss and shit and rats aND roaches are everywher, all so I could see him the rest of the time he had and my kids could know their grandfather. I can come back to nyc any time I want on my company's dime and live there with 2x my current comp with any numbers of hedge funds or money managers. You can keep your shithole city.

Sorry to hear about your pops. I love this City. Stay where you are, please. We don't want assholes like you here anyway. You lying about the City is worse than pathetic. It does not smell like horse or homeless. And if you have rats and roaches in your home, it says more about you than the City. I don't have them in my home. You should clean more.
 

fstime

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You have the highest cost of living in NYC, yet it feels like everything is so artificial. Everyone feels like they can rip you off and get away with it.

I guess it's okay if your in the .1%, otherwise, I think other cities have more to offer as far as beauty, costs, people, and lifestyle.

And isn't NYC known for its people being rude assholes, what's +1 going to do?
 

LegendKiller

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Sorry to hear about your pops. I love this City. Stay where you are, please. We don't want assholes like you here anyway. You lying about the City is worse than pathetic. It does not smell like horse or homeless. And if you have rats and roaches in your home, it says more about you than the City. I don't have them in my home. You should clean more.

My building in NYC never had rats or roaches (that I saw), I was paying way too much money for that (over 4k before I moved to CT)

NYC is a fucking disgusting city. It's the only place I have seen a homeless guy masturbate on the subway, piss on a car hood in the middle of an intersection, and shit 10' away from the main doors to GCT (right across from Pershing Sq diner). It's the only place you can walk down a street like Lexington by GCT and almost hurl from the stench, or walk around CP and almost puke from all of the horse shit/piss that pervades the area.

Ohh, and don't get me started about the fucking baking garbage on the sidewalks in 90+ degree weather in the summer because there are no alleys or dumpsters. So you get pop leaking from the bags.

Then there's the rats in the subway and in the restaurants like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvLDFtaL5HI


or the nasty-ass places like Delmonicos on 42nd and Lex that constantly gets shut down for health code violations.

NYC'ers revel in the disgust and refuse to do anything about it, even the NYU (or whatever) study showed that it was NYC'ers fault for the rat infestation because they just dump garbage in the subways or on the streets.

Then there's this...

"A survey conducted by Columbia University in 2014 recorded the DNA of 133 rats throughout the city. The results showed the rats carried numerous pathogens, including some never before seen in New York and some completely unknown to science. While at least 18 of the viruses found are known to cause diseases in humans, it is unclear how infectious the rats actually are to residents"


Or what about the "mystery water" that gets washed into potholes around the city, that brackish brown/gray water that stinks like a mixture of puke/shit/toxic waste.


Ohh yes, such a beautiful city.

For all of that you get to pay uber-high rents, deal with stinky ass people in the subways (which also stink like a cess pool), and crowds.

Ohh, and you get to pay City Tax too! What a great deal!!!


You don't need assholes in NYC? Wow - because NYC probably has the highest concentration of assholes in the country. Ask any pregnant woman how many assholes are there that won't open a door, bump them or push them in the subway, or be rude to them over all.


Ohh - and speaking of assholes - NYC Greenwich Village native Sue Simmons is the typical NYC'yer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYAMDhVT50I
 
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Dari

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My building in NYC never had rats or roaches (that I saw), I was paying way too much money for that (over 4k before I moved to CT)

NYC is a fucking disgusting city. It's the only place I have seen a homeless guy masturbate on the subway, piss on a car hood in the middle of an intersection, and shit 10' away from the main doors to GCT (right across from Pershing Sq diner). It's the only place you can walk down a street like Lexington by GCT and almost hurl from the stench, or walk around CP and almost puke from all of the horse shit/piss that pervades the area.

Ohh, and don't get me started about the fucking baking garbage on the sidewalks in 90+ degree weather in the summer because there are no alleys or dumpsters. So you get pop leaking from the bags.

Then there's the rats in the subway and in the restaurants like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvLDFtaL5HI


or the nasty-ass places like Delmonicos on 42nd and Lex that constantly gets shut down for health code violations.

NYC'ers revel in the disgust and refuse to do anything about it, even the NYU (or whatever) study showed that it was NYC'ers fault for the rat infestation because they just dump garbage in the subways or on the streets.

Then there's this...

"A survey conducted by Columbia University in 2014 recorded the DNA of 133 rats throughout the city. The results showed the rats carried numerous pathogens, including some never before seen in New York and some completely unknown to science. While at least 18 of the viruses found are known to cause diseases in humans, it is unclear how infectious the rats actually are to residents"


Or what about the "mystery water" that gets washed into potholes around the city, that brackish brown/gray water that stinks like a mixture of puke/shit/toxic waste.


Ohh yes, such a beautiful city.

For all of that you get to pay uber-high rents, deal with stinky ass people in the subways (which also stink like a cess pool), and crowds.

Ohh, and you get to pay City Tax too! What a great deal!!!


You don't need assholes in NYC? Wow - because NYC probably has the highest concentration of assholes in the country. Ask any pregnant woman how many assholes are there that won't open a door, bump them or push them in the subway, or be rude to them over all.

Not going to debate you about most of the stuff you just wrote because I've seen/experienced it myself, except these:
Unless you're sniffing it like Tony Montana does coke, horseshit does not smell bad (nothing like human shit, at least). At least not in walking distance.

Also, most people do not smell. You must be sensitive to that. But, yes, the City does stink, especially in the summer. Worst place is Chinatown. It stinks all year long. But, you know what, I rather live here than anywhere else. Too much upsides to the downsides you mentioned. Way too much. Enjoy wherever the fuck you are and I will enjoy this wonderful City...
 

LegendKiller

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Not going to debate you about most of the stuff you just wrote because I've seen/experienced it myself, except these:
Unless you're sniffing it like Tony Montana does coke, horseshit does not smell bad (nothing like human shit, at least). At least not in walking distance.

Also, most people do not smell. You must be sensitive to that. But, yes, the City does stink, especially in the summer. Worst place is Chinatown. It stinks all year long. But, you know what, I rather live here than anywhere else. Too much upsides to the downsides you mentioned. Way too much. Enjoy wherever the fuck you are and I will enjoy this wonderful City...

I do have a good nose and cannot stand it, but so does my wife. She was in NYC in Sept to visit her doc and go to a friend's baby shower and ranted about the stench. She has a much more romantic viewpoint of the city than I do.

One of the biggest redeeming qualities I saw in NYC is the fact that it's close to a lot of other stuff. Newport RI, DC, Philly, Boston, upstate NY...etc. That's it.

Would I move back? Sure, if somebody offered me 7 figures, I'd get myself a nice place in Greenwich CT or Rye and commute into the city, as long as it was in midtown.
 

Dari

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I do have a good nose and cannot stand it, but so does my wife. She was in NYC in Sept to visit her doc and go to a friend's baby shower and ranted about the stench. She has a much more romantic viewpoint of the city than I do.

One of the biggest redeeming qualities I saw in NYC is the fact that it's close to a lot of other stuff. Newport RI, DC, Philly, Boston, upstate NY...etc. That's it.

Would I move back? Sure, if somebody offered me 7 figures, I'd get myself a nice place in Greenwich CT or Rye and commute into the city, as long as it was in midtown.

Meh, I see people do that and will never understand it. Just buy a place in the City and go home at the weekend. Or work from home. Commuting via train or car is too time consuming. And that is if nothing goes wrong. If something does go wrong, then you're fucked up the ass with a flag pole. Me, I can get to the office in less than 15 minutes, on days I go to work. And I have multiple options should something go wrong. Maybe I'm young or just lazy, but I could never commute daily between cities. Worse, why work, play, socialize, and dine in the City but not live there? Makes no fucking sense. Finally, the best thing about the City is the privacy. With 8.5m people, no one knows or asks anything about me and I like it that way. If I was to live in West Bubblefuck, everybody would know my fucking business. That would be intolerable.
 

unixwizzard

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good.. I hope this keeps up so the scumbags who have flooded my city to get away from being "harassed" for petty crimes in NYC will start to move back.

I swear if we could get rid of all the NY trash our crime rate will drop by 80% at least.
 

rh71

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No, the police are doing a fine job of undermining their public support on their own. The people I talk to in NYC who would be more likely to side with them in general think the force is being petty, disrespectful, and arrogant. Decreasing the quality and effectiveness of enforcement is a good way to turn the remainder of the public against them. The union and PBA are sinking themselves into a major hole.

The mayor is not at all above reproach in this situation but the consensus seems to be the cops are vastly overplaying their hand.

When the LIRR (railroad) was threatening a strike, people said the same thing about the public no longer supporting them against the evil big money honchos, but guess what? In the end they got their money and the public went back to business as usual and nobody cares the union was being greedy. Not until the next contract squabble. The public just lives in the now. The police union are not going to be any worse off for taking this stand. Too bad.
 

FirNaTine

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Are you aware that the medical examiner ruled his death at the hands of the police a homicide? Regarding his saying he couldn't breathe and yet being able to speak; try cutting off your carotid arteries for a short time and tell me how it feels. You are breathing fine but you are losing oxygen to the brain, which makes it feel like you can't breathe.

Wrong.

Having been on both sides of this type of restraint in both martial arts, and in professional restraint training, that is just not true. I also have extensive knowledge of the relevant anatomy as a healthcare provider with advanced training in managing the airway through a variety of non-invasive, invasive (breathing tubes) and select surgical procedures (surgical cricothyroidotomy in particular)

If I compress your arteries, your airway is free and you will very likely not experience air hunger. The most likely sensation you experience is lightheadedness. Depending on the degree of compression, you can be rendered unconscious in a few seconds with very little warning. Many refer to this as a "Blood choke," as it is the interruption of blood flow to the brain that causes the issue. Your carotids (internal,external or common depending on the level) provide about 2/3rds of the blood to run your brain. The rest comes from the paravertebral arteries going to the Circle of Willis.

If I put pressure on the trachea, you may experience some degree of breathing restriction, but it takes more pressure than you would think. Initially the trachea is displaced posteriorly (towards the back) and actually what you experience is compression of the esophagus. This is accompanied by an uncomfortable sensation often described as a breathing restriction. When in fact they are breathing adequately. We actually used to use that in what's called a Sellick maneuver. If significantly more pressure is applied it will close the airway, however speaking is greatly diminished or almost impossible at this point. This is often referred to as an "Air choke," and takes a variable amount of time to cause issue. Anywhere from 30 seconds to minutes for most. You are basically holding your breath involuntarily. Extreme exertion can shorten the time to effect also.

What actually happened here, at least to what I can find according to the published accounts of medical examiner findings, has nothing to do with the neck restraint.

It is actually from a phenomenon known as positional asphyxia. If you restrain someone in a (usually) face down position (especially after exertion) with pressure on their back you can limit expansion of their chest. That will definitely lead to a feeling of "I can't breathe." Unfortunately it also usually causes the person being restrained to struggle to breathe. This can be interpreted as resistance by the restraining individuals leading to increased pressure/people. Obviously this can lead to a positive feedback loop, with each party fighting harder.

The end result is often they fight until the restrainer recognizes this, or the restrained person becomes unconscious. Unrecognized this has lead to numerous deaths over the years.

If you want to make authoritative sounding statements, at least get them right.
 
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uclaLabrat

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LegendKiller, NYC is not "disgusting". It's the greatest city in the world. Just because you couldn't make it here doesn't make it any less great. The City ran you out, nothing else to say.

As for the police, they're throwing their toys out of the crib in response to the mayor speaking the truth. It's ok. These assholes are in the denial phase. It's a long road to a better, stronger NYPD.
NYC is not the greatest city in the world. That shit hole doesn't even break the top ten. Have you been to any other city?
 

JEDIYoda

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Wrong.

Having been on both sides of this type of restraint in both martial arts, and in professional restraint training, that is just not true. I also have extensive knowledge of the relevant anatomy as a healthcare provider with advanced training in managing the airway through a variety of non-invasive, invasive (breathing tubes) and select surgical procedures (surgical cricothyroidotomy in particular)

If I compress your arteries, your airway is free and you will very likely not experience air hunger. The most likely sensation you experience is lightheadedness. Depending on the degree of compression, you can be rendered unconscious in a few seconds with very little warning. Many refer to this as a "Blood choke," as it is the interruption of blood flow to the brain that causes the issue. Your carotids (internal,external or common depending on the level) provide about 2/3rds of the blood to run your brain. The rest comes from the paravertebral arteries going to the Circle of Willis.

If I put pressure on the trachea, you may experience some degree of breathing restriction, but it takes more pressure than you would think. Initially the trachea is displaced posteriorly (towards the back) and actually what you experience is compression of the esophagus. This is accompanied by an uncomfortable sensation often described as a breathing restriction. When in fact they are breathing adequately. We actually used to use that in what's called a Sellick maneuver. If significantly more pressure is applied it will close the airway, however speaking is greatly diminished or almost impossible at this point. This is often referred to as an "Air choke," and takes a variable amount of time to cause issue. Anywhere from 30 seconds to minutes for most. You are basically holding your breath involuntarily. Extreme exertion can shorten the time to effect also.

What actually happened here, at least to what I can find according to the published accounts of medical examiner findings, has nothing to do with the neck restraint.

It is actually from a phenomenon known as positional asphyxia. If you restrain someone in a (usually) face down position (especially after exertion) with pressure on their back you can limit expansion of their chest. That will definitely lead to a feeling of "I can't breathe." Unfortunately it also usually causes the person being restrained to struggle to breathe. This can be interpreted as resistance by the restraining individuals leading to increased pressure/people. Obviously this can lead to a positive feedback loop, with each party fighting harder.

The end result is often they fight until the restrainer recognizes this, or the restrained person becomes unconscious. Unrecognized this has lead to numerous deaths over the years.

If you want to make authoritative sounding statements, at least get them right.
WRONG? not!! You are aware the medical examiner did say that this type of restraint did lead to the death of the individual?

Or are you more knowledgeable than the medical examiner...
 

Markbnj

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NYC is not the greatest city in the world. That shit hole doesn't even break the top ten. Have you been to any other city?

Dude, it doesn't matter what you think of NYC on a personal level, but if you don't number it among the top ten great human cities your objectivity is open to question.
 
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