NYT Attack on Trump Gets Outed as a Misrepresentation and Spin

[Bowfinger]

Glad to see you're spreading your hatred to your offspring. Need to keep the family business alive when you're gone.

Don't fret, sweetie. You're still special. He handed you your ass once too, back when he was active.

 

[emperus]

I'm a part of the religious right. I don't support him because he is a great moral man. You don't get to tell us why or how we support the people we support.

If you are part of the religious right shouldn't you be supporting a moral man? This is the reason why the so called religious right offends me.

 

[buckshot24]

If you are part of the religious right shouldn't you be supporting a moral man? This is the reason why the so called religious right offends me.

Haha. You don't get to tell me who I support.

 

[buckshot24]

Don't fret, sweetie. You're still special. He handed you your ass once too, back when he was active.

I'm sure. As usual you won't provide a citation so we're left to guess.

 

[soundforbjt]

Haha. You don't get to tell me who I support.

If you're really a Christian and part of the Religious Right, Jesus is probably very disappointed in you with your choice.

 

[buckshot24]

If you're really a Christian and part of the Religious Right, Jesus is probably very disappointed in you with your choice.

That isn't your problem. Quit trying to put people in little boxes so you can make sense of the world.

 

[brycejones]

That isn't your problem. Quit trying to put people in little boxes so you can make sense of the world.

You mean like calling people meat machines?

 

[Jhhnn]

That isn't your problem. Quit trying to put people in little boxes so you can make sense of the world.

I believe you're the one compartmentalizing. Your image of yourself as a christian & what that means goes in one box & your manly trump love goes into a different one. If you never put the two together you'll never see the contradiction. So you don't.

 

[Subyman]

I'm a part of the religious right. I don't support him because he is a great moral man. You don't get to tell us why or how we support the people we support.

As a religious man perhaps you shouldn't throw stones unless your candidate is without sin

 

[umbrella39]

You can tell a lot about how a Man treats woman by how his daughter(s) turn out. Judging by the success of Ivanka Trump I would say a lot of the comments about how he treats woman are not truthful.

YEAH!!! OK buddy! Billionaire's daughter turns out successful. Completely 2/2 how Daddy treats women in general!!! LMFAO...

 

[Drako]

YEAH!!! OK buddy! Billionaire's daughter turns out successful. Completely 2/2 how Daddy treats women in general!!! LMFAO...

Corporate whore is a corporate whore. See Chelsea Mezvinsky.

 

[Abraxas]

Glad to see you're spreading your hatred to your offspring. Need to keep the family business alive when you're gone.

Yes, after our last little bout, concerning evolution as I recall, I understand why you might consider "critical thinking" skills to be hateful but for those of use who want to understand the world we live in instead of merely passing through obliviously must train themselves to recognize statements which demonstrate a basic lack of both accuracy and reasoning; the stupid.

Since you are so concerned about citations, let's review.

only [basically] after winning the republican nomination . hmmm. Seems like until that point they didn't care to much to bring him down.

So, the first layer of stupid here, let's start with the factual. Did, or did not, the Washington Post, run articles before Trump won, or practically won, the Republican nomination. Using the arcane ritual of "go to their website and search" we can see over 1500 pages of articles about trump in the past 12 months and around the 200 page mark, we find ourselves in mid April, well before Indiana and just before New York. Now, what stories was WaPo running with the day before the NY primary?

Oops Donald Trump Accidentally says 7 Eleven instead of 9-11

Trump says first responders were at 7-Eleven on 9/11. Well, that's a silly gaffe, of course they couldn't not say something, but surely...

Trump Campaign's Top Leadership Undergoes Upheaval
Trump's National Field Director Quits Amid Major Staff Changes

Huh, multiple articles about Trump's campaign being in upheaval due to staffing changes. Well, current events I guess, we can't not report on those. But nothing...

The GOP Would Unite Around Trump At Its Own Peril

Well, okay, but that's just an opinion. I mean there is zero chance that the day before one of the most important primaries in the nation they would have run a piece specifically calling out the media for not doing enough to promote the investigative journalism being done against Trump. This is a segway, isn't...

Here's One Big Way The Media Is Letting Donald Trump Off Easy

You mean of the thousands of pages of stories the Washington Post have featured with "Trump" in them in the last year, and note this is pages of stories, not stories, they've actually been hitting Trump pretty much all along? Say it ain't so.

But, as I said, that is only the first level. Next we have to consider the underlying thought process. Michal is seemingly alarmed that more political reporters working for WaPo, the same, finite number working before Trump cinched the nomination, are now being sent to work on Trump when they weren't before. The concept of the same number of political reporters divided by a smaller number of candidates to report on would lend itself, by mathematical necessity, to more reporters covering at least one, if not all, of the candidates.

Then we have the lack of awareness displayed in who investigates other candidates, a failure to realize that with Cruz and Kasich out of the race, the resources they were putting into investigating Trump, to finding out his past, to finding skeletons in his closet are now gone and so those sources of stories have dried up, meaning that they would have to rely on Clinton or their own reporting instead of some of their previous sources of dirt. The net effect of this is that to maintain the same level of coverage, without other candidates spreading crap for their own selfish reason of trying to get elected, it will take media outlets more work, thus more workers, to find.

Then there is the standard practice stupid, where doing some online digging would reveal the Washington Post has revealed they have the exact same number of people working on Hillary as they do Trump, despite the focus mostly just being paid in that direction.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/dont...ters-investigating-trump-is-biased-or-unfair/

Then you have the idea that somehow investigating one of two people almost certain to be the next president of the US is a bad thing, that somehow it is wrong or unethical to send journalists to find information about Trump and make it public, you know, before he becomes president and the point becomes moot.

You see buckshot, I wasn't speaking metaphorically when I referred to the the many layers of stupid here. This post, this small, unobtrusive, fairly standard post for michal is concentrated stupid. Like a Russian nesting doll of stupid, every time you think you have found all the stupid, you go a little deeper, open it up, and find a whole different kind of stupid inside. An everlasting jawbreaker of stupid in 22 words or less. The kind of stupid college students will spend the coming decades writing essays about for bored poli sci professors as they explore newer shades and nuances of stupid that permeate that post. This is the stupid of legend, and you just threw yourself behind it.

 

[Fayd]

of course saying that Megyn Kelly had "Blood coming out of her wherever” isn't misogynistic.

you are so full of shit, it's coming out of all your holes.

i don't like donald trump, but i don't find that statement misogynistic.

hell, i've heard women use that reference referring to a guy that was being pissy.

 

[buckshot24]

Yes, after our last little bout, concerning evolution as I recall, I understand why you might consider "critical thinking" skills to be hateful but for those of use who want to understand the world we live in instead of merely passing through obliviously must train themselves to recognize statements which demonstrate a basic lack of both accuracy and reasoning; the stupid.

You're Bowfinger's boy?

What are you rambling about? I was calling your papa out for spreading his hate by laughing at people who you think are stupid. If people are stupid they surely can't help it, they were born that way. Sure, you can educate yourself but that don't fix stupid and if people ARE stupid. Laughing at people for things they can't help is sadistic and cruel. You and daddy seem to really enjoy it.

I don't recall our interactions about evolution. I'm getting old and my memory doesn't work like it used to.

Since you are so concerned about citations, let's review.

You've done all of this because you didn't understand what I was talking about. What a shame and a waste of time. I'll take the blame if I mislead you and papa though.

This is the stupid of legend, and you just threw yourself behind it.

Was this your dad while you were writing your piece?

 

[buckshot24]

Then we have the lack of awareness displayed in who investigates other candidates, a failure to realize that with Cruz and Kasich out of the race, the resources they were putting into investigating Trump, to finding out his past, to finding skeletons in his closet are now gone and so those sources of stories have dried up, meaning that they would have to rely on Clinton or their own reporting instead of some of their previous sources of dirt.

Right because they spent a lot of resources investigating a guy who won 1 out of 40 something states. Cruz? Maybe.

I find it interesting that you found the interest and motivation for doing that research. Maybe to prove somebody is stupid so you can laugh at them?

Then there is the standard practice stupid, where doing some online digging would reveal the Washington Post has revealed they have the exact same number of people working on Hillary as they do Trump, despite the focus mostly just being paid in that direction.

Hillary has her email thing coming up and the Clinton foundation thingamajig as well. So they could be doing some real work there.

Then you have the idea that somehow investigating one of two people almost certain to be the next president of the US is a bad thing, that somehow it is wrong or unethical to send journalists to find information about Trump and make it public, you know, before he becomes president and the point becomes moot.

It was a sentence on a web forum and you gleaned all that information, simply stunning level of investigative work! Columbo has nothing on you (ask daddy if you don't know who that is). You believe in evolution so maybe this is how you make that whole thing work. Find a tooth and make it say what you want it to say.

You see buckshot, I wasn't speaking metaphorically when I referred to the the many layers of stupid here. This post, this small, unobtrusive, fairly standard post for michal is concentrated stupid. Like a Russian nesting doll of stupid, every time you think you have found all the stupid, you go a little deeper, open it up, and find a whole different kind of stupid inside. An everlasting jawbreaker of stupid in 22 words or less. The kind of stupid college students will spend the coming decades writing essays about for bored poli sci professors as they explore newer shades and nuances of stupid that permeate that post. This is the stupid of legend, and you just threw yourself behind it.

People say stupid things all the time. I have said plenty of stupid things that I later regretted. In my opinion you doing this piece was pretty stupid because it had nothing to do with what I was calling hateful.

 

[buckshot24]

As a religious man perhaps you shouldn't throw stones unless your candidate is without sin

I couldn't support anybody if that were the case.

 

[buckshot24]

YEAH!!! OK buddy! Billionaire's daughter turns out successful. Completely 2/2 how Daddy treats women in general!!! LMFAO...

His kids seem like genuinely good people. Not just successful. They seem to love and admire him greatly. This could be an act but if it is they are doing a great job at it.

 

[Abraxas]

You're Bowfinger's boy?

What are you rambling about? I was calling your papa out for spreading his hate by laughing at people who you think are stupid. If people are stupid they surely can't help it, they were born that way. Sure, you can educate yourself but that don't fix stupid and if people ARE stupid. Laughing at people for things they can't help is sadistic and cruel. You and daddy seem to really enjoy it.

I don't recall our interactions about evolution. I'm getting old and my memory doesn't work like it used to.

You've done all of this because you didn't understand what I was talking about. What a shame and a waste of time. I'll take the blame if I mislead you and papa though.
Was this your dad while you were writing your piece?

Here's the thing, while I know this is news for you on two fronts, first, calling something out as stupid which shows a lack of knowledge and critical thinking isn't hateful, it is merely accurate, and second, critical thinking and learning are skills that can be developed. Sure, some people are born with low limits than others, but more often than not stupid people are stupid not because they were born stupid, but because they put a lack of time and effort into improving their learning process and reasoning capabilities. While the brain isn't actually a muscle, it is something that gets more powerful, more efficient, more useful with practice. You're welcome to begin trying at any time.

Contrary to the adage, you can fix stupid if stupid can pay attention long enough to let itself be fixed. While my comments may be presented with a humorous slant, the underlying purpose is to perhaps get you to realize that, gee whiz, maybe this position does show a lack of thought and that throwing your weight behind an argument based on what tribe the arguer falls into instead of the content of their posts reflects badly on you both in terms of your own thinking skills and the thinking skills of your group that they don't do more to correct badly considered positions.

Is laughing at stupid cruel? Probably, but far less so than letting stupid persist or letting stupid spread since a lack of critical thinking skills in, for instance, a voting Democracy, is how you end up with Donald Trump at the top of one of two major party tickets.

Right because they spent a lot of resources investigating a guy who won 1 out of 40 something states. Cruz? Maybe.

You are misreading me, that section was about how now that Cruz and Kasich are out of the race, their respective campaigns will have ceased digging on Donald Trump and spreading it to the press, thus requiring the press to do more digging of their own for an equal amount of dirt.

I find it interesting that you found the interest and motivation for doing that research. Maybe to prove somebody is stupid so you can laugh at them?

According to you I was laughing before I did the research and so your line of argument makes no sense. Again, these are the critical thinking skills that you can improve with practice. When making an argument, stop and think to yourself "does my purported effect chronologically precede my purported cause" and if the answer is yes and you aren't arguing about time travel, back it out and try again. Very soon you too can make arguments about effects that follow from causes rather than the other way around.

Hillary has her email thing coming up and the Clinton foundation thingamajig as well. So they could be doing some real work there.

Well, as noted, WaPo states they have just as many journalists working on Clinton as they do Trump, I guess we'll have to see what articles they print.

It was a sentence on a web forum and you gleaned all that information, simply stunning level of investigative work! Columbo has nothing on you (ask daddy if you don't know who that is). You believe in evolution so maybe this is how you make that whole thing work. Find a tooth and make it say what you want it to say.

Two sentences and an ejaculate, actually, please don't turn this into remedial counting. It turns out, in context, with a little critical thinking, you can deduce quite a bit from just a few words depending on what those words are.

People say stupid things all the time. I have said plenty of stupid things that I later regretted. In my opinion you doing this piece was pretty stupid because it had nothing to do with what I was calling hateful.

The trick is trying to learn from them, an important next step to not saying as many stupid, regrettable things in the future. Yes, I get it, you think it is hateful that I paid my parents a visit at their home tonight, we got to discussing each others hobbies and since we had a common participation in this forum he mentioned the discussion he was in and a post that displayed an impressively efficient level of stupidity within.

Or, rather, you make a scene about it being hateful because it negates you having to put in any actual effort towards examining the right wing narratives that led to the original stupid, an endeavor that would not end well for your deeply held bubble beliefs, and so you make the effort to claim a moral victory because declaring your opponent to be an asshole, a jerk, "hateful" and declaring you won is always less work and gives you that hit of instant gratification for standing up for your tribe.

This is a deflection, an obvious one, a boring one, the classic ad hom of 'it doesn't matter what facts you bring, all that matters is you're a jerk so I win.', third grade logic. You said you are getting old, grow up.

 

[emperus]

Haha. You don't get to tell me who I support.

So then when you say you belong to the Christian Right what does that mean to you? As a Christian, I would assume that the Bible's teachings informed what you support. Unless you want to make an argument to me that it actually does support Trump, my criticism above stands.

I also think the "Christian Right" jumped the shark when they attacked the Pope for saying he didn't think Trump was a Christian.

 

[HomerJS]

And yet he gave her an important job, so obviously he valued her most important aspect.

Trump: what has your, and your cabals, foreign policy done for this country in the last 30 years?

Hillary: you said mean things about women and how dare you talk bad about me as a women, even if I sucked at my jobs.

I can hear it now...

Legend's wife/GF: My boss said my ass is fat.
Legand: Who cares? He gave you a job. Just suck it up and hit the treadmill.

 

[LegendKiller]

I can hear it now...

Legend's wife/GF: My boss said my ass is fat.
Legand: Who cares? He gave you a job. Just suck it up and hit the treadmill.

I had to deal with my own indignities at my last job. Mainly from 2 people, but there was another that would say stuff too. However, rather than running to hr, I just dealt with it and was able to move on with grace.

I even had one guy on vm saying shit, could easily have won a harassment suit. I mean, slam dunk, no questions, could have received a lot of money. But then I'd have to carry that my whole career.

Everybody goes through periods working with asshole. You gotta play the long game. Get thicker skin, play the game, move up and on. Being a whiny bitch about it won't work in the long run.

 

[HomerJS]

I had to deal with my own indignities at my last job. Mainly from 2 people, but there was another that would say stuff too. However, rather than running to hr, I just dealt with it and was able to move on with grace.

I even had one guy on vm saying shit, could easily have won a harassment suit. I mran, slam dunk, no questionsx could have received a lot of money. But then I'd have to carry that my whole career.

Everybody goes through periods working with asshole. You gotta play the long game. Get thicker skin, play the game, move up and on. Being a whiny bitch about it won't work in the long run.

I don't necessarily disagree with you I just think we should have higher expectation from the POTUS.

Imagine the outrage if Obama had acted like Trump. How much would righties throw around thug when Trump really acts like one.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

His kids seem like genuinely good people. Not just successful. They seem to love and admire him greatly. This could be an act but if it is they are doing a great job at it.

stand up guys all around

 

[PokerGuy]

stand up guys all around

Unless you have evidence showing the hunting to be illegal or endangered species or something, what's your point? Hunters are evil?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The pack mentality is in full force today.