NYT story - Racial disparity in policing

[GarfieldtheCat]

NY times article shows how multiple police departments are showing systemic racism because of the disparate rates of policing between black and white civilians.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/us/racial-disparity-traffic-stops-driving-black.html?_r=0

Frankly, this isn't anything new or anything the vast majority of people already knew, but good to see further documentation of racism. Now we will see if anything gets done about it. Curious about the apologists and if they just outright ignore this, or go ahead and deny it.

Some good graphs also documenting the difference in policing based on skin color, all based on hard data the PD's collect.

Examples of systemic racism:

National surveys show that blacks and whites use marijuana at virtually the same rate, but black residents here are charged with the sole offense of possession of minor amounts of marijuana five times as often as white residents are.

And more than four times as many blacks as whites are arrested on the sole charge of resisting, obstructing or delaying an officer, an offense so borderline that some North Carolina police chiefs discourage its use unless more serious crimes are also involved.

officers pulled over African-American drivers for traffic violations at a rate far out of proportion with their share of the local driving population. They used their discretion to search black drivers or their cars more than twice as often as white motorists — even though they found drugs and weapons significantly more often when the driver was white.

In the four states that track the results of consent searches, officers were more likely to conduct them when the driver was black, even though they consistently found drugs, guns or other contraband more often if the driver was white.

Looking at all the PD's involved in this article, including 6 states required PD's to document and track their traffic stops, it is becoming harder and harder for the police apologists and the misinformed that this is always "a few bad apples".

Multiple states all showing clear systemic racism isn't "a few bad apples", it's a sign of a wide-spread problem of unequal policing and abuse of authority by many cops that has been going on for a long time. And apparently by the lack of change, the cops are totally OK with this practice.

You can also read a few more anecdotal stories of black men getting fucked over by cops for no reason, and thrown in jail for BS charges that are then dismissed. All the while the cops continue to get away with it.

 

[alcoholbob]

I'd be interested to see data that's apples to apples, like where the people were pulled over and whether the area they were in affects the arrest rates.

 

[fskimospy]

I'd be interested to see data that's apples to apples, like where the people were pulled over and whether the area they were in affects the arrest rates.

Already accounted for.

 

[Ackmed]

Always good for a trolling post. Attempting to call out people, is the definition of trolling. Good job, gold star for you.

 

[Roflmouth]

Well blacks commit crimes at far higher levels than whites, so systemic policing variations are not only expected but appropriate. Of course when police "hold back," crime skyrockets. Just ask those victims of violent crimes in Baltimore this year how much they appreciate "community policing."

 

[fskimospy]

Well blacks commit crimes at far higher levels than whites, so systemic policing variations are not only expected but appropriate. Of course when police "hold back," crime skyrockets. Just ask those victims of violent crimes in Baltimore this year how much they appreciate "community policing."

Stops of black people were vastly higher after accounting for different crime rates.

Now what do you say? Reconsider? (Of course not)

 

[MovingTarget]

I don't think that anyone is surprised that the data shows this disparity for race, just as I suspect that nobody would be surprised about a class disparity too, if that analysis were done. This is simply what happens when you have a police culture separate from the population they serve.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Always good for a trolling post. Attempting to call out people, is the definition of trolling. Good job, gold star for you.

Can you counter the information provided in the article? Yes? No? Maybe?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Just because 2 people have the same usage amount doesn't mean they use it in the same way.

Which one is more likely to get you caught?


1. Dealing / Smoking it outside, in a public location?

2. Within your basement smoking a bong?


Hint: Not everyone does everything the same way. I ride a public bus to work, and there is only ONE type of person that I see DEALING straight out of the bus window on the streets. It used to shock me, but now I'm just like "meh".

 

[unokitty]

Among the incarcerated, gender disparity is also pretty well documented...

Uno

 

[michal1980]

sorry based on the DOJ investigation of the IRS this is a non story. Just officers ignorant of the law. Nothing to see here. Lets move along.

 

[fskimospy]

sorry based on the DOJ investigation of the IRS this is a non story. Just officers ignorant of the law. Nothing to see here. Lets move along.

Can you explain?

I personally would love to see one story, just one, where conservatives on ATPN admitted that racism was likely the cause.

Just.

One.

 

[michal1980]

Can you explain?

I personally would love to see one story, just one, where conservatives on ATPN admitted that racism was likely the cause.

Just.

One.

Sure can,

The DOJ says the IRS committed no crime, because they couldn't find that they did so knowingly. The DOJ also stated that one of the reasons the workers targeted one group over another was ignorance of the law.

 

[x26]

Among the incarcerated, gender disparity is also pretty well documented...

Uno

Clearly a Case of Profiling--This Must Stop!!!

"I Am A Social Justice Warrior"

 

[fskimospy]

Sure can,

The DOJ says the IRS committed no crime, because they couldn't find that they did so knowingly. The DOJ also stated that one of the reasons the workers targeted one group over another was ignorance of the law.

So just made up bullshit, got it.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Well blacks commit crimes at far higher levels than whites, so systemic policing variations are not only expected but appropriate. Of course when police "hold back," crime skyrockets. Just ask those victims of violent crimes in Baltimore this year how much they appreciate "community policing."

You racist fuckhead. If this site had any integrity you would be banned for the worthless piece of shit troll you are. If anyone who had been here for more than a week said some shit like "blacks commit crimes at far higher levels than whites" they'd be banned forever. You're new, so admins don't say a fucking thing. Fuck that. You're a racist piece of shit who gives less than a fuck about facts. Fuck you. You deserve no respect and you should be banned for being a fuckwit. I'll probably get an infraction for speaking the truth. But I'm fucking sick and tired of fucks like you ruining what COULD be a productive forum if someone running things would just fucking step in and say ENOUGH BULLSHIT. You make the world demonstrably worse by your presence. So stop interacting with us; we're fucking sick of your nonsense you fuckwit jackass.

 

[MagickMan]

You racist fuckhead.

Facts aren't racist, they're just facts. It's like how blacks commit 54% of homicides yet make up only 14% of the population.

 

[Nebor]

Facts aren't racist, they're just facts. It's like how blacks commit 54% of homicides yet make up only 14% of the population.

This. What a silly rant by Atomic Playboy. While I do legitimately believe (with no factual basis) that African Americans commit crimes at a higher rate per person, I also acknowledge that the vast majority of their negative outcomes (imprisonment, shooting, etc) are due to targeted enforcement towards them.

But it's sort of like gun violence. Nothing to be done about it on a large scale. Gets a shoulder shrug from me.

 

[pcgeek11]

You racist fuckhead. If this site had any integrity you would be banned for the worthless piece of shit troll you are. If anyone who had been here for more than a week said some shit like "blacks commit crimes at far higher levels than whites" they'd be banned forever. You're new, so admins don't say a fucking thing. Fuck that. You're a racist piece of shit who gives less than a fuck about facts. Fuck you. You deserve no respect and you should be banned for being a fuckwit. I'll probably get an infraction for speaking the truth. But I'm fucking sick and tired of fucks like you ruining what COULD be a productive forum if someone running things would just fucking step in and say ENOUGH BULLSHIT. You make the world demonstrably worse by your presence. So stop interacting with us; we're fucking sick of your nonsense you fuckwit jackass.

Popping a vein are we...

LOL

 

[glenn1]

Can you explain?

I personally would love to see one story, just one, where conservatives on ATPN admitted that racism was likely the cause.

Just.

One.

Since NYC is one of the biggest offenders I'm more than willing to concede your expert opinion that racism is your cause; nothing you New Yorkers love than a good police beating or sodomy via nightstick.

For any other part of the country I'd say race could be anything from a complete non-factor to the overwhelming consideration.

 

[Vaux]

You racist fuckhead. If this site had any integrity you would be banned for the worthless piece of shit troll you are. If anyone who had been here for more than a week said some shit like "blacks commit crimes at far higher levels than whites" they'd be banned forever. You're new, so admins don't say a fucking thing. Fuck that. You're a racist piece of shit who gives less than a fuck about facts. Fuck you. You deserve no respect and you should be banned for being a fuckwit. I'll probably get an infraction for speaking the truth. But I'm fucking sick and tired of fucks like you ruining what COULD be a productive forum if someone running things would just fucking step in and say ENOUGH BULLSHIT. You make the world demonstrably worse by your presence. So stop interacting with us; we're fucking sick of your nonsense you fuckwit jackass.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA

That article is seriously reeking of bullshit and/or twisting things the way they want to be.

"officers pulled over African-American drivers for traffic violations at a rate far out of proportion with their share of the local driving population." -----

Yeah ok. Police radar guns have friggin race detectors on them now I guess.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Always good for a trolling post. Attempting to call out people, is the definition of trolling. Good job, gold star for you.

Says the police apologist that says other people's lives don't matter, and calls people killed by cops are "leeches"

Yup, you sure got credibility.

Those numbers are all based on real data (not your fantasies or imagination) that several states made police departments collect after seeing problems with policing.

And this data proves there is a problem with racism in the police, at least through several states.

Care to comment on the data? Can you prove it wrong? Do you have anything factual to say? Talk about trolling.

 

[fskimospy]

Since NYC is one of the biggest offenders I'm more than willing to concede your expert opinion that racism is your cause; nothing you New Yorkers love than a good police beating or sodomy via nightstick.

For any other part of the country I'd say race could be anything from a complete non-factor to the overwhelming consideration.

Great! So can you point me to a thread in ATPN where you think anti-black racism was the cause for some law enforcement action? It could be in NYC or anywhere else!

 

[isekii]

Are there statistics with regards to Black on Black Crime vs Black on everyone else ?

 

[fskimospy]

Are there statistics with regards to Black on Black Crime vs Black on everyone else ?

Yes there are. Black on black crime occurs at roughly similar rates to white on white crime, etc. None of that is relevant in a discussion of systemic racism in policing.