Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: Lifted
I can't believe so many people on here think it is alright to kill somebody for stealing a lawn mower. The guy broke into a house, obviously because it was empty and thought there wouldn't be any confrontation (i.e. he wasn't trying to rape/assault/murder anyone), and you kill him? If somebody walks out of Wallmart with something worth a few hundred dollars, is it ok to kill them, or is it only okay if he steals it from your garage/shed?
After reading ATOT for a while, I think it's safe to assume:
1) Most of you know there is high unemplyment
2) Most of you hate welfare
Suppose this guy couldn't find a job, ran out of unemployment benefits, and was trying to feed his wife and children. Do we still throw people in jail for 20 years for stealing bread to feed their family, or do we just kill them?
I hope you can live with yourself for killing a person over a couple hundred dollars.
This is EXACTLY the reason that places like NJ have laws against assaulting people for petty crimes like this. Because you were too angry and pumped up with adrenaline to think about the consequences of your actions, now his children have no father, his wife has no husband, and you have your fvcking lawn mower.
Good job. :|
Check out P&N, you'll fit right in. Oh, he was not as privileged as you, poor guy, he must have been hungry and unemployed and just trying to take care of his family. It's society's fault that he has to steal to feed his family. Blah blah fvcking blah. People like you make me sick. Do you not understand that there is a difference between stealing a candy bar from a grocery store and invading someone's home?
I'd go with option B. Jail for 20 years will cost too much. If some criminal invades my home, they ARE A THREAT to my property, my family, and my peace of mind and they are getting their head bashed in without remorse.
Originally posted by: Lifted
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: Lifted
I can't believe so many people on here think it is alright to kill somebody for stealing a lawn mower. The guy broke into a house, obviously because it was empty and thought there wouldn't be any confrontation (i.e. he wasn't trying to rape/assault/murder anyone), and you kill him? If somebody walks out of Wallmart with something worth a few hundred dollars, is it ok to kill them, or is it only okay if he steals it from your garage/shed?
After reading ATOT for a while, I think it's safe to assume:
1) Most of you know there is high unemplyment
2) Most of you hate welfare
Suppose this guy couldn't find a job, ran out of unemployment benefits, and was trying to feed his wife and children. Do we still throw people in jail for 20 years for stealing bread to feed their family, or do we just kill them?
I hope you can live with yourself for killing a person over a couple hundred dollars.
This is EXACTLY the reason that places like NJ have laws against assaulting people for petty crimes like this. Because you were too angry and pumped up with adrenaline to think about the consequences of your actions, now his children have no father, his wife has no husband, and you have your fvcking lawn mower.
Good job. :|
Check out P&N, you'll fit right in. Oh, he was not as privileged as you, poor guy, he must have been hungry and unemployed and just trying to take care of his family. It's society's fault that he has to steal to feed his family. Blah blah fvcking blah. People like you make me sick. Do you not understand that there is a difference between stealing a candy bar from a grocery store and invading someone's home?
I'd go with option B. Jail for 20 years will cost too much. If some criminal invades my home, they ARE A THREAT to my property, my family, and my peace of mind and they are getting their head bashed in without remorse.
Rummaging through his shed is invading his home?
for the dumbest post yet.
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
Originally posted by: Lifted
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
If you were NOT IN YOUR HOME and saw that SOMEBODY WAS, would you pull out a gun and GO IN or avoid confrontation and call the police?
You'd would obviously go in, and win the Darwin award.
Originally posted by: Lifted
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: Lifted
I can't believe so many people on here think it is alright to kill somebody for stealing a lawn mower. The guy broke into a house, obviously because it was empty and thought there wouldn't be any confrontation (i.e. he wasn't trying to rape/assault/murder anyone), and you kill him? If somebody walks out of Wallmart with something worth a few hundred dollars, is it ok to kill them, or is it only okay if he steals it from your garage/shed?
After reading ATOT for a while, I think it's safe to assume:
1) Most of you know there is high unemplyment
2) Most of you hate welfare
Suppose this guy couldn't find a job, ran out of unemployment benefits, and was trying to feed his wife and children. Do we still throw people in jail for 20 years for stealing bread to feed their family, or do we just kill them?
I hope you can live with yourself for killing a person over a couple hundred dollars.
This is EXACTLY the reason that places like NJ have laws against assaulting people for petty crimes like this. Because you were too angry and pumped up with adrenaline to think about the consequences of your actions, now his children have no father, his wife has no husband, and you have your fvcking lawn mower.
Good job. :|
Check out P&N, you'll fit right in. Oh, he was not as privileged as you, poor guy, he must have been hungry and unemployed and just trying to take care of his family. It's society's fault that he has to steal to feed his family. Blah blah fvcking blah. People like you make me sick. Do you not understand that there is a difference between stealing a candy bar from a grocery store and invading someone's home?
I'd go with option B. Jail for 20 years will cost too much. If some criminal invades my home, they ARE A THREAT to my property, my family, and my peace of mind and they are getting their head bashed in without remorse.
Rummaging through his shed is invading his home?
for the dumbest post yet.
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
If I were not in the house at the time, I would not run in with a baseball bat to "investigate". I guess that logic is lost on you, with your giant internet balls and all...
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
If I were not in the house at the time, I would not run in with a baseball bat to "investigate". I guess that logic is lost on you, with your giant internet balls and all...
My original post in this thread was addressing the incorrect statement regarding the recently passed Florida law, and did not relate to this case directly, since the law wouldn't apply anyway. You guys jumped all over me like I had been posting worthless crap for a dozen pages
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
If I were not in the house at the time, I would not run in with a baseball bat to "investigate". I guess that logic is lost on you, with your giant internet balls and all...
My original post in this thread was addressing the incorrect statement regarding the recently passed Florida law, and did not relate to this case directly, since the law wouldn't apply anyway. You guys jumped all over me like I had been posting worthless crap for a dozen pages
I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.
Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.
Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
If I were not in the house at the time, I would not run in with a baseball bat to "investigate". I guess that logic is lost on you, with your giant internet balls and all...
My original post in this thread was addressing the incorrect statement regarding the recently passed Florida law, and did not relate to this case directly, since the law wouldn't apply anyway. You guys jumped all over me like I had been posting worthless crap for a dozen pages
I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.
Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.
Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.
Originally posted by: Lifted
The thing that I don't understand, is that people here are acting like he was protecting his property by attacking the thief. If he wanted to protect his property, he could have slashed his tires and moved their car behind his truck, then wait for the cops to get there. The thing is, it wasn't about protecting his stuff, it was about getting the guy. There were so many ways to go about this, I think they probably choose the second dumbest/cruelest way. The only dumber thing would have been to enter the shed.
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Lifted
The thing that I don't understand, is that people here are acting like he was protecting his property by attacking the thief. If he wanted to protect his property, he could have slashed his tires and moved their car behind his truck, then wait for the cops to get there. The thing is, it wasn't about protecting his stuff, it was about getting the guy. There were so many ways to go about this, I think they probably choose the second dumbest/cruelest way. The only dumber thing would have been to enter the shed.
Well, they could have shot him..wouldn't that be one of the top two?
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Lifted
The thing that I don't understand, is that people here are acting like he was protecting his property by attacking the thief. If he wanted to protect his property, he could have slashed his tires and moved their car behind his truck, then wait for the cops to get there. The thing is, it wasn't about protecting his stuff, it was about getting the guy. There were so many ways to go about this, I think they probably choose the second dumbest/cruelest way. The only dumber thing would have been to enter the shed.
Well, they could have shot him..wouldn't that be one of the top two?
Originally posted by: Lifted
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
If I were not in the house at the time, I would not run in with a baseball bat to "investigate". I guess that logic is lost on you, with your giant internet balls and all...
My original post in this thread was addressing the incorrect statement regarding the recently passed Florida law, and did not relate to this case directly, since the law wouldn't apply anyway. You guys jumped all over me like I had been posting worthless crap for a dozen pages
I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.
Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.
Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.
:thumbsup:
Originally posted by: Krk3561
If you fail to see the difference between shoplifting and breaking and entering you have serious issues.
Would your opinion change if when searching the body of the thief the police found a gun? Would you give him the time pull the gun if he had one?
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: Lifted
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
If I were not in the house at the time, I would not run in with a baseball bat to "investigate". I guess that logic is lost on you, with your giant internet balls and all...
My original post in this thread was addressing the incorrect statement regarding the recently passed Florida law, and did not relate to this case directly, since the law wouldn't apply anyway. You guys jumped all over me like I had been posting worthless crap for a dozen pages
I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.
Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.
Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.
:thumbsup:
If you fail to see the difference between shoplifting and breaking and entering you have serious issues.
Would your opinion change if when searching the body of the thief the police found a gun? Would you give him the time pull the gun if he had one?
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: Lifted
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.
Anywhere else...
Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.
Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand
fixed?
If someone broke into your house and you had a baseball bat, would you wait and ask him if he was armed first?
..didn't think so.
Oh..you would've ran away..so it wouldn't matter.
:disgust:
If I were not in the house at the time, I would not run in with a baseball bat to "investigate". I guess that logic is lost on you, with your giant internet balls and all...
My original post in this thread was addressing the incorrect statement regarding the recently passed Florida law, and did not relate to this case directly, since the law wouldn't apply anyway. You guys jumped all over me like I had been posting worthless crap for a dozen pages
I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.
Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.
Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.
:thumbsup:
If you fail to see the difference between shoplifting and breaking and entering you have serious issues.
Would your opinion change if when searching the body of the thief the police found a gun? Would you give him the time pull the gun if he had one?
I have serious issues. And since they did not need to be anywhere near the guy, you can't claim it's self-defense or that they need to be worried abouit a gun. Good luck to your kids btw.