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[Lifted]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

So now they dont have right to enter their own house?

Shoplifting is a misdemeanor

Breaking and Entering is a felony

Since you failed to make one, I'm assuming your point is:

If somebody commits a felony, you can kill them.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: XtremepH
Man that guy was very lucky if he had broken into my house I know I would have shot his ass. Especially since here in Florida Jeb Bush passed a new law that allows one to kill if they fear for their life. Don't worry yourself if that fvcker is dead

Dude, try reading AT LEAST the OP.

 

[exdeath]

Good for him.

First-degree robbery/burglary is usually defined as unlawful trespassing onto property with the intent to commit theft or a felony.

Arizona ARS 13-411 (Justification of Force in Crime Prevention) justifies the use of physical and deadly force in the prevention of numerous crimes, one of which is robbery and burglary.

But you see, even if they haven't touched anything yet, the fact that they had to break and enter means they are on your property having already committed a felony.

Under Arizona law, this already constitutes either burglary or robbery.

He?s lucky he wasn't killed. The right to private property is the most sacred of all; it is the fundamental core that all of our freedom is based on, your own body being the first and most important property. In my view anyone who violates this is no longer fit to remain a part of our society.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: Krk3561

So now they dont have right to enter their own house?

Shoplifting is a misdemeanor

Breaking and Entering is a felony

Since you failed to make one, I'm assuming your point is:

If somebody commits a felony, you can kill them.

Incorrect.

Local laws vary on what constitutes justification of deadly force. Typically not all felonies are covered, but most often those felonies in which deadly force is encouraged by law are the obvious: rape, kidnapping, arson of an occupied structure, violence to a child, robbery, etc.

 

[dc]

we need update

 

[Cheesemoo]

Originally posted by: dc
we need update

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Landroval

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: LoKe
Oh, texas. Didn't even take note.

Anywhere else...

Florida just passed a law similar to what Texas has that would protect Bed against being charged. I'm not sure if any other states have that.

Florida recently passed a law stating that you could meet force with force on public property. This occured on private property, so the new law doesn't apply. He'd still be fine in FL, though..you really shouldn't wait until you see an intruder pull a gun if you can brutally murder him beforehand

fixed?

Oh please. Perhaps you will surrender your home and your life to a thug and refrain from voting in the US.

Let me guess "*whine* it's just not rriiiiiggghhhhtttt"

FYI if I have options, I will always choose the minimal amount of force needed to disable and apprehend.

But regardless, they will answer for their crimes, they will not run away or get deported, if illegal, with a slap on the wrist.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Out of curiosity, why didn't you just call the cops from a cell phone before doing any of this? Why get in harm's way before it's necessary? The cops might have gotten there quickly enough to deal with it themselves. What if there was a second thief there with the guy you clocked? What then?

Chances are the cops would NOT have gotten there in time. We've had to call them two times now and the first time it took almost 3 hours and the other time it took an hour.

Nothing will get the cops to your house faster than saying you are holding an intruder at gun point while barking orders at him to keep his hands out while your on the phone.

I promise you will have a chopper over your house in less than a minute.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Is it reasonable to believe that the property could not be protected or recovered by any other means?

If you approached your house and saw a truck in the driveway you know shouldn't be there would you believe you only course of action would be to jump out and investigate?

Daddy wanted to play vigilante.

I never said he should be criminally charged for his actions however I see where a civil suit could potentially be won.

Screw you dude. Its YOUR HOME! You don't walk away and say "oh well I guess someone else can have it"

And I quote "those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither"

And you counter civil suits by counter suing for emotional distress for having to use violence against a human being and compensation for any bullets, etc.


"" If you approached your house and saw a truck in the driveway you know shouldn't be there would you believe you only course of action would be to jump out and investigate? ""

Damn I can't beleive Im reading this. So what you just drive away "oh well we can just find another one"

GRrr I dont even know what else to say to this. Maybe Cuba would suit you better.

 

[XtremepH]

Originally posted by: Lifted

Originally posted by: XtremepH
Man that guy was very lucky if he had broken into my house I know I would have shot his ass. Especially since here in Florida Jeb Bush passed a new law that allows one to kill if they fear for their life. Don't worry yourself if that fvcker is dead

Dude, try reading AT LEAST the OP.

I read the OP he stated he hoped the guy didn't die. All I stated was that he shouldn't worry about it. I already know that he isn't being prosecuted and that he would have also shot the guy so next time shut up before telling someone to read something

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: Landroval

I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.

Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.

Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.

LOL

Hey thieves, go rob this womans house, she'll make tea for you while she politely asks you to wait for the police to arrive!

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: Injury
QuitBanningMe: Do you notice how you're the only one protecting your standpoint?

There's a reason.

Like I said before, stop trying to play computer-chair lawyer. There were NO charges pressed against OP or his family, so you are already wrong in believing that what they did was totally illegal.

Secondly, you keep saying that they had the alternatives of walking away and calling the police, or not using so much force that it could have killed the guy, but you fail to see that short of taking him out, either their property was going to be taken or they were going to be harmed. It's not like the guy would see that they drove off and put all the stuff back, or that if they stood there and asked him to put everything away that he would agree and just walk off peacefully. You'd have to be a moron to think that anything like that could happen.

They were in their right to protect themselves and their property, and nothing you say will change that. But if you disagree, maybe you should get a bit more solid idea of what they could have done that doesn't involve something stupid like trying to reason with the guy, trying to kneecap him, or assuming you can get him at gunpoint with no risk to anyone.

Think it though, or STFU because your argument holds about as much water as an invisible bucket.

While I see both sides of the argument, if you are the best QuitBanningMe's opposition has to offer, then it's a sad state of affairs.

1. What does it matter if there were charges or not? When did that constitute legality? No charges were brought when I jaywalked as a child. Does that make it legal?

2. How do you know that if the thief was not *killed* that he would have harmed the family? I bet he would have ran. What would you do if you were outnumbered and had a TV in your hand, staring at a gun and a big metal rod? I'd give up. I wouldn't try to take them on. I doubt the thief would have either.

3. Your debating skills are laughable especially when you say the following: "They ewre in their right to protect themselves and their property, and nothing you will say will change that". That's as valid as saying "I am right and you just have to admit it." What kind of debate is this?

Next.

The laws here in the US for the most part agree that you have the right to defend you home and family.

If you don't like that, do us American's a favor and revoke your citizenship (if a US citizen) and move to Europe.

 

[Raiden256]

I wonder if all these kill 'em all nutjobs actually know what it's like to take a life.

If yes, then I'm scared of ATOT now.

If no, then I'm scared at the prevailing utter lack of respect for human life.

Either way, I'm scared.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Raiden256
I wonder if all these kill 'em all nutjobs actually know what it's like to take a life.

If yes, then I'm scared of ATOT now.

If no, then I'm scared at the prevailing utter lack of respect for human life.

Either way, I'm scared.

It's no more pleasant and no less necessary than eating healthy.

I can only make decisions for myself, what others choose to do with their lives is their problem.

The way I see it, anyone who chooses to violate anothers home or physicaly safety is willfully revoking their right to participate in our society.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Landroval

I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.

Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.

Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm glad you're joking
Nobody who has half a brain cell would compare shoplifting from a store to robbing someones home.

 

[Ozoned]

Did you like the movie?

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: Landroval

I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.

Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.

Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.

LOL

Hey thieves, go rob this womans house, she'll make tea for you while she politely asks you to wait for the police to arrive!

Actually, I've pulled a gun on a thief before. I just was not stupid enough to use it.

 

[XtremepH]

Originally posted by: Raiden256
I wonder if all these kill 'em all nutjobs actually know what it's like to take a life.

If yes, then I'm scared of ATOT now.

If no, then I'm scared at the prevailing utter lack of respect for human life.

Either way, I'm scared.

Not that people aren't afraid of taking someones life or that they would love to do it. It is just that who wants to face the results of you not killing the person when you had a chance then when its one of your family members that end up dying you would forever be replaying it in your mind as what you should have or could have done

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Landroval

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: Landroval

I was just expressing my opinion that attacking someone in a way likely to maim or kill them that was no immediate threat to you or your family was essentially murder. Even if the law allows it. I would much rather call the police and maybe lose a lawnmower than live with the fact that I killed someone over a lawnmower for the rest of my life.

Many people here have admitted to, or have children who have, stolen things. To say the things you lifted from a store are any different is b.s. If you think it is ok to kill some guy poking through your garage by ambushing him, then by that same logic I should be able to blow the brains out of your teenage daughter when she shoplifts. I deplore thieves in all their forms, but if you are not in danger killing someone is murder. Period.

Finally, because a man is Hispanic does not mean he is an illegal immigrant.

LOL

Hey thieves, go rob this womans house, she'll make tea for you while she politely asks you to wait for the police to arrive!

Actually, I've pulled a gun on a thief before. I just was not stupid enough to use it.

It's not really stupid or not stupid. You do what you need to do to end the situation. If you can end it peacefully by simply displaying a weapon, all the better, given the prerequisite that they leave with no more than they came with.

 

[Lifted]

It IS stupid when a fvcking moron takes his wife and child into harms way. To top it off, he didn't call the police first to let them know what was going on incase they were jumped. The idiot could have been tied up, watching his wife AND son being raped in front of him, and nobody would have had a fuvking clue. What this guy did was so stupid it is beyond words. Would you take your family into an unknown situation where there is the potential for them to be killed? Didn't think so.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Lifted
It IS stupid when a fvcking moron takes his wife and child into harms way. To top it off, he didn't call the police first to at least let them know what was going on incase they were jumped. The idiot could have been tied up, watching his wife AND son being raped in front of him, and nobody would have had a fuvking clue. What this guy did was so stupid it is beyond words. Would you take your family into an unknown situation where there is the potential for them to be killed? Didn't think so.

I was referring to the post I quoted actually... which suggested that having to fire a weapon at all is inherently stupid.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Lifted
It IS stupid when a fvcking moron takes his wife and child into harms way. To top it off, he didn't call the police first to at least let them know what was going on incase they were jumped. The idiot could have been tied up, watching his wife AND son being raped in front of him, and nobody would have had a fuvking clue. What this guy did was so stupid it is beyond words. Would you take your family into an unknown situation where there is the potential for them to be killed? Didn't think so.

I was referring to the post I quoted actually... which suggested that having to fire a weapon at all is inherently stupid.

I didn't quote/reply to you, I was simply adding to the "stupid" aspect of his actions.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Eh, its not stupid... how often do you get to legally beat the siht out of some texmex thief? The cops would have just ruined the fun! Besides, thieves should have to run the risk of bodily harm if they decide to break and enter. wtf kind of deterrence is there if in the process of looting someones home, the owner comes home, and just chases them off?

But yeah, my main point is that beating the crap out of lawbreakers is fun. And all you "respect for humanity" carebears really need to get off your high horse. In a world of nearly 7 billion people, even a whole lot of "disrespect" isnt exactly going to put us on the endangered species list.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: OVERKILL
both you and your dad took a big gamble.
This thief could have had a lookout and shot 1 of you guys.
I think the safest and best way would have been to call 911 and let the cops deal with it.
If the thief left before the cops came, I would have taken the license plate #.
Anyway, glad you and your dad didn't get hurt. :beer:

You are a pussy. Sorry, but you cannot always rely on the cops for everything. And, there's no justice like vigilante justice.

Think about it this way:

Other potential robbers will read about this story - how bed and his dad killed the robber. (btw, I'm almost certain he's dead) And, they will be less likely to rob people.

But, if bed called the cops, the robber would get away - or if caught, still have a 50% chance of getting off without jail time. No deterrent.

So, thank bed for improving society by making potential robbers fvcking think twice. Sure, he put himself on the line.. But that's what non-pussies do. You can't live life expecting to be safe 100% of the time.. If you do that, you'll never amount to anything. Winners take risks.



Anyway.. I'm certain the guy is dead because blunt force from an iron rod to the head is almost as traumatic as a gunshot, if you hit him as hard as you say you did. And the evidence says dead.. out cold, pool of blood - till the cops arrive.

So, if you killed him and he's dead on the spot - that's a good thing. You just saved society medical money. If he's still alive but dies in the hospital, you still saved some money. If he lives, but gets medical treatment, then criminally charged, then jailed, that's a huge burden to society.. So, feel proud that you beat his brains in and move on. He had no business being there and everyone knows that.

I'm proud of your huge internet balls.
Anyway, This isn't about taking a risk for just anything in life.
This was a risk that was clearly life threatening.
Some things in life aren't worth risking your life for.
Obviously, risking your life for your family is different, however, sometimes there's a better way to handle things.
Good luck to ya in your life, your going to need it.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Eh, its not stupid... how often do you get to legally beat the siht out of some texmex thief? The cops would have just ruined the fun! Besides, thieves should have to run the risk of bodily harm if they decide to break and enter. wtf kind of deterrence is there if in the process of looting someones home, the owner comes home, and just chases them off?

But yeah, my main point is that beating the crap out of lawbreakers is fun. And all you "respect for humanity" carebears really need to get off your high horse. In a world of nearly 7 billion people, even a whole lot of "disrespect" isnt exactly going to put us on the endangered species list.

Well hell we might as well start bombing China now!