Obama and Dems Stick it to Working Families

[alkemyst]

How have the rich made my life hard? Well, if by "my" you mean the average working class guy, that could be the makings of a long book. How about, outsourcing our jobs, dismantling our industries, suppressing our unions, corrupting our political system, ransacking our banking system, and now, turning our health care over to the insurance business and making it an ever-increasing spiral of rising costs? Unless you are arguing that it is the poor who have done all that....? Why don't I have the right to health care paid for by everybody? We drive on roads paid for by everybody, rely on police and fire services paid for by everybody, send our kids to schools paid for by everybody... (well, at least some of us do)...why are we the only developed country in the world that has this monstrosity of private insurance controlled health care that leaves a fifth of the population basically out, bankrupts another fifth sometime in their lives, and costs twice as much as the next highest country?

There is a pretty good reason many will travel to the US for serious surgery.

You want cosmetic, fly overseas...profit.

We are a capitalistic nation. I think you want socialism.

 

[earthman]

There is a pretty good reason many will travel to the US for serious surgery.

You want cosmetic, fly overseas...profit.

We are a capitalistic nation. I think you want socialism.

Last I heard, thousands of Americans were leaving the country to get care elsewhere. I doubt thousands are coming here for it.

If anything destroys this country, it will be capitalism, not socialism.

 

[alkemyst]

you probably think there aren't many buyers for a $200k car then.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Your jealousy has overfloweth emensively

Me? Jealous of you?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Now THAT is priceless! Time to start taking your meds again Dave. You're the one who has repeatedly called me "rich" without any basis in fact, and now you're saying I'm jealous of a failed buffoon such as yourself?

 

[xj0hnx]

How have the rich made my life hard? Well, if by "my" you mean the average working class guy, that could be the makings of a long book. How about, outsourcing our jobs, dismantling our industries, suppressing our unions, corrupting our political system, ransacking our banking system, and now, turning our health care over to the insurance business and making it an ever-increasing spiral of rising costs? Unless you are arguing that it is the poor who have done all that....?

I said your life, not the average working class guys life. People being rich doesn't mean they are outsourcing jobs, suppressing unions, or any of your other talking points, are George Soros, Obama, John Edwards poor?

Why don't I have the right to health care paid for by everybody?

Because you don't. What makes you think you have the right for everyone else to pay your way? or that you deserve other peoples money? Your sickening entitlement mentality is what is destroying this country. People thinking that merely existing is cause for them to be entitled to the fruits of other people labor is a degenerative disease that weakens the very core of our nation. It used to be a point of pride that people were self sufficient and could take care of themselves, now it's "what can I get for free?". If you want it you can do what most responsible grown ups do and work for it, I do.

Why don't I have the right to health care paid for by everybody? We drive on roads paid for by everybody, rely on police and fire services paid for by everybody, send our kids to schools paid for by everybody...

Why can't you have society pay for your insurance based on society paying for things that benefit all of society? Our roads are terrible, firefighters don't prevent fires, police don't stop crime, and our education system is one of the worst in the civilized world, but besides all that ...those all benefit everyone, forcing everyone to pay for people that don't want to pay for their own insurance is only benefiting those that ...don't want to pay for their own insurance.

(well, at least some of us do)...why are we the only developed country in the world that has this monstrosity of private insurance controlled health care that leaves a fifth of the population basically out, bankrupts another fifth sometime in their lives, and costs twice as much as the next highest country?

Too bad politicians haven't done anything to fix it, instead just shifting around who pays for it. I'd like to know what percentage of people that you guys lump into that "fifth of the population" BS that choose not to pay for insurance.

 

[classy]

I bet less than .5% of folks ever hit the 7.5% deduction floor. Most of the other deductions pretty much eliminate any chance of a person hitting that deduction floor. Also I don't see why OTC meds should be tax deductible anyway. On one hand they cry the goverment does too much for folks. The government doesn't make people responsible. Then the government requires some responsibility and now all of sudden the government should help more. Make up your mind.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Last I heard, thousands of Americans were leaving the country to get care elsewhere. I doubt thousands are coming here for it.

If anything destroys this country, it will be capitalism, not socialism.

Backwards truth is fail truth.

 

[Genx87]

Last I heard, thousands of Americans were leaving the country to get care elsewhere. I doubt thousands are coming here for it.

If anything destroys this country, it will be capitalism, not socialism.

What drugs do you take? I would love to try them.

 

[Red Dawn]

What drugs do you take? I would love to try them.

In you case I'd suggest Midol.

 

[alkemyst]

It's not capitalism that is the problem. It's how those are leveraging themselves in alignment with a lobby to pretty much be guaranteed a profit (or at least a fat salary).

In the past a business had bad years...the CEO/etc would take out very little in income. Today you have things like bonuses based on not losing as much money as they thought...

CEO pay has risen insanely compared to the 'working man'. That is not a fault with capitalism, it's a fault with the people.

In socialism you have these kinds of issues too.

 

[earthman]

It's typical right wing think to assume that everyone who doesn't have insurance simply chooses not to pay for it. Most of those people, (including me) simply can't afford it anymore, or are blocked by existing conditions. It's not a "sickening entitlement mentality", its a care-about-your-fellow man mentality. The thing that is really sickening is the right's social darwinism approach to everything. It's going to be funny watching you guys get old.

 

[werepossum]

Here we have an example of Ignornoramous extremus. There is an unusual symbiotic relationship between it and the related species Ignornamous congressionium var. democraticus.

SNIP

Thank you for your attention.

Second the nomination for post of the year. This was clever, funny and biting all at once. You officially rule, and I bow before your Internet Awesomeness.

 

[xj0hnx]

It's not a "sickening entitlement mentality",

Yes, it is. It's a disease that has been spreading for a few decades now. People thinking that everyone just owes them something, it's sad, and destructive, and breeds a dependence on government which keeps people locked in a cycle of dependence and continually weakens the will to succeed. Social welfare was meant as a hand up, not a lifestyle.

 

[Genx87]

In you case I'd suggest Midol.

Red Dawn, if I didnt see your response to me from yesterday. I wouldnt think this response is so funny

 

[alkemyst]

It's typical right wing think to assume that everyone who doesn't have insurance simply chooses not to pay for it. Most of those people, (including me) simply can't afford it anymore, or are blocked by existing conditions. It's not a "sickening entitlement mentality", its a care-about-your-fellow man mentality. The thing that is really sickening is the right's social darwinism approach to everything. It's going to be funny watching you guys get old.

Care-about-your-fellow man = entitlement.

Hate to break it to you, but for every drone that says they cannot afford insurance they either have: new cars, custom wheels, gaming machines, stereo in both their cars and apartments, designer clothing, new furniture, spend money on drugs, etc.

I have yet to meet anyone that is on welfare that doesn't have tons of extras.

 

[Red Dawn]

Care-about-your-fellow man = entitlement.

Hate to break it to you, but for every drone that says they cannot afford insurance they either have: new cars, custom wheels, gaming machines, stereo in both their cars and apartments, designer clothing, new furniture, spend money on drugs, etc.

I have yet to meet anyone that is on welfare that doesn't have tons of extras.

I don't know anybody on welfare and given your propensity to lie out your ass I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't either. I could be wrong though, your parents could be on it as far as I know. In addition, it isn't the person on welfare that does without health insurance.

 

[GoPackGo]

I don't know anybody on welfare and given your propensity to lie out your ass I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't either. I could be wrong though, your parents could be on it as far as I know. In addition, it isn't the person on welfare that does without health insurance.

If people qualify for welfare they typically qualify for medical assistance.

 

[StageLeft]

This appears a long struggling road on the path to single payer.

 

[GoPackGo]

This appears a long struggling road on the path to single payer.

This Ponzi scheme makes Bernie Madoff look a petty thief.

 

[nakedfrog]

This appears a long struggling road on the path to single payer.

Be nice if we could just cut the BS and get there straight-away.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

If people qualify for welfare they typically qualify for medical assistance.

Which is why there's only like 5 million people out of that "40 million" that don't have coverage. You remove filthy rich people that insurance isn't worth buying, those that get free health care, and illegals, and you got like a room full of people. And I'm one of them. And NO, I don't want to pay for somebody else's. Because I can't fucking afford it for myself right now. My GOD dems are retarded.

 

[alkemyst]

I don't know anybody on welfare and given your propensity to lie out your ass I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't either. I could be wrong though, your parents could be on it as far as I know. In addition, it isn't the person on welfare that does without health insurance.

hmmm....I used to work in a Pharmacy. Daily I loaded up high end SUV's and cars with free shit. They were usually booming in the parking lot on custom wheels, with people dressed to the hilt. Back in 1992/3

Please, really please, really really please...show me where I have lied anywhere here. If you can't please drop that crap...I have even posted my acceptance letters to colleges here. I have no need to make up a life, I am out there everyday living one.

Also I NEVER said I was talking about welfare people not having insurance. I mentioned even they seem to always have a ton of toys. I talk to a ton of people...I listen to more. I have encountered many on welfare, many doing ok, many doing awesome. Fuck, a side job doing computer work as had me at people's homes that have been mentioned in major news more than just a few times.

Now I live in Palm Beach County, so maybe that's the difference. I have also lived in Broward County and saw similar things.

It's much like those with the mirror handicap tags that practically sprint to the door.

So you are going on the record saying there is no welfare abuse at all?

 

[earthman]

Care-about-your-fellow man = entitlement.

Hate to break it to you, but for every drone that says they cannot afford insurance they either have: new cars, custom wheels, gaming machines, stereo in both their cars and apartments, designer clothing, new furniture, spend money on drugs, etc.

I have yet to meet anyone that is on welfare that doesn't have tons of extras.

I don't know anyone on welfare either, and while I'm not sure of the situation where you live, there hasn't been any cash payments to "welfare" recipients here for many years, so I'm not sure how people on "welfare" would be financing all that stuff. The most you could hope for here would be some help with your rent and a few hundred bucks worth of food stamps. Oh, and some government cheese from the food shelf once a month. Stop lying.

 

[earthman]

Which is why there's only like 5 million people out of that "40 million" that don't have coverage. You remove filthy rich people that insurance isn't worth buying, those that get free health care, and illegals, and you got like a room full of people. And I'm one of them. And NO, I don't want to pay for somebody else's. Because I can't fucking afford it for myself right now. My GOD dems are retarded.

Not every state has "medical assistance", and to qualify for it in some you literally have to be destitute, working part time for $5 an hour, or no way will you qualify. There are millions of people who don't have health insurance because they can't afford it, or they are locked out by their pre-existing conditions. I don't know how old you are, or if you have ever tried to buy insurance on your own, but you might be shocked at what it really costs when an employer isn't paying for most of it for you. It's not unusual for a family of four to have to come up with $2000 a month for premiums. If you're a single person in your 50s, you could be looking at $1200 to $1500 a month. Is the average person really supposed to be able to pay that? Could you?

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Not every state has "medical assistance", and to qualify for it in some you literally have to be destitute, working part time for $5 an hour, or no way will you qualify. There are millions of people who don't have health insurance because they can't afford it, or they are locked out by their pre-existing conditions. I don't know how old you are, or if you have ever tried to buy insurance on your own, but you might be shocked at what it really costs when an employer isn't paying for most of it for you. It's not unusual for a family of four to have to come up with $2000 a month for premiums. If you're a single person in your 50s, you could be looking at $1200 to $1500 a month. Is the average person really supposed to be able to pay that? Could you?

No, I cannot afford health insurance.

So why the fuck do you want to force me to? IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE! You are literally stealing money out of a person that is lower-lower class. It's fucking ridiculous to think that charging everybody more is helping anyone.