Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I note whoozeyer Daddy has at least one thing wrong in saying, "So really the NPP is now worth about as much as an award in one of those kiddie sports leagues where everyone gets a trophy."

Because in the fullness of time, everyone BUT GWB&co may get such a trophy. There are always some who are clearly left out. And no, its not just an accidental oversight in the case of GWB&co.

I said, before the 11/2008 election, that whomever was elected would probably spend the bulk of four years just to repair the damages to the US reputation in the international community. And here Obama does it in nine months. And without international trust, America cannot be effective in advancing its brand of diplomacy.

Did it in nine months? That's funny because my understanding is that nominations had to be in by February 1 and Obama took office on January 20. So that means he "repaired" the damage in a couple of weeks.

Uh....no.

when was the actual vote?

What was the basis of his nomination in the first place?

safety place holder in case he did solve some shit? I dunno. your turn.

I would assume the vote was taken recently, as in within the last several days. I don't care to google it nor do I see what relevancy it has to this discussion. Why was he nominated in the first place? According to CNN, he won because:

"Unlike his predecessors, Obama was selected not for substantive accomplishments, but for his "vision" and inspiring "hope" at the beginning of his presidency."

"For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman," the committee said, explaining its decision.

I mean seriously, is this some kind of joke?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
As I sit here, in Iraq, pondering just how much the world has changed since January 2009...

Over 100k U.S. troops in Iraq? Check.
Gitmo still open? Check.
Indefinite detention? Check.
More troops likely headed to Afghanistan and the Taliban threat getting worse every day? Check.
Palestine and Israel still fighting? Check.
Somalia still in turmoil? Check.
Most of Africa still impoverished, dying of AIDS, and/or fighting? Check.
Global economy still in recession? Check.
Healthcare still jacked-up in the U.S.? Check.
Gays still banned from serving in the world's best military? Check.
Human rights violations occurring almost daily in China? Check. Saudi Arabia? Check Check. 50 other nations? Check Check Check.
Iran still working on nuclear technologies? Check.
North Korea and South Korea still technically at war? Check.
North Korea testing nuclear weapons? Check.
Pointless embargo on Cuba? Check...
...
...
All of that may be true; but, I did get a great deal on a Toyota through the CFC program! THANKS OBAMA!

Hey, someone give that man a prize!

I agree it's premature, but by your metric no one should ever receive this award.

Even if he'd only solved ONE of the world's most serious problems, he might be worthy of a NPP nomination. Sadly, beyond "inspiring hope," he hasn't done jack or shit to solve any major international crisis, so to see him actually receive the award is just plain fucking ridiculous.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Honest question. What has Obama done to secure world peace? Nothing.

What did Bush do? Reigned in the Taliban in Afghanistan and overthrew a 2 bit dictator who committed genocide against his own people.

Sounds to me like the Nobel Prize committee has this all backwards.

George W Bush has done more for world peace and stability than Obama has, hands down, and that is a fact.

Ok zen ...

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
As I sit here, in Iraq, pondering just how much the world has changed since January 2009...

Over 100k U.S. troops in Iraq? Check.
Gitmo still open? Check.
Indefinite detention? Check.
More troops likely headed to Afghanistan and the Taliban threat getting worse every day? Check.
Palestine and Israel still fighting? Check.
Somalia still in turmoil? Check.
Most of Africa still impoverished, dying of AIDS, and/or fighting? Check.
Global economy still in recession? Check.
Healthcare still jacked-up in the U.S.? Check.
Gays still banned from serving in the world's best military? Check.
Human rights violations occurring almost daily in China? Check. Saudi Arabia? Check Check. 50 other nations? Check Check Check.
Iran still working on nuclear technologies? Check.
North Korea and South Korea still technically at war? Check.
North Korea testing nuclear weapons? Check.
Pointless embargo on Cuba? Check...
...
...
All of that may be true; but, I did get a great deal on a Toyota through the CFC program! THANKS OBAMA!

Hey, someone give that man a prize!

I agree it's premature, but by your metric no one should ever receive this award.

Even if he'd only solved ONE of the world's most serious problems, he might be worthy of a NPP nomination. Sadly, beyond "inspiring hope," he hasn't done jack or shit to solve any major international crisis, so to see him actually receive the award is just plain fucking ridiculous.

I swear if he turned just Iraq into a decent country to live in... let's say even lower the level of violence to what Israel sees, and leaves fewer than 10k troops left, then I'd say he's very worth of the prize, but alas 11 days is worthless.

 

[waggy]

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8299824.stm

"In the US the chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele, asked a simple question: "What has President Obama actually accomplished?"

Attributing Mr Obama's win to his "star power", Mr Steele said it was "unfortunate" he "outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights". "



and ...


"Asked why the prize had been awarded to Mr Obama less than a year after he took office, Nobel Committee head Thorbjoern Jagland said: "It was because we would like to support what he is trying to achieve"."



really say a lot. how people feel about Obama aside he did NOT deserve the nobel price over many who are more deserving.

To give him the prize in HOPE he would support other world leaders is wrong. it really makes the Nobel prize a joke.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Honest question. What has Obama done to secure world peace? Nothing.

What did Bush do? Reigned in the Taliban in Afghanistan and overthrew a 2 bit dictator who committed genocide against his own people.

Sounds to me like the Nobel Prize committee has this all backwards.

George W Bush has done more for world peace and stability than Obama has, hands down, and that is a fact.

I hope you waited until after noon to start drinking/toking

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Honest question. What has Obama done to secure world peace? Nothing.

What did Bush do? Reigned in the Taliban in Afghanistan and overthrew a 2 bit dictator who committed genocide against his own people.

Sounds to me like the Nobel Prize committee has this all backwards.

George W Bush has done more for world peace and stability than Obama has, hands down, and that is a fact.

Fail of week, congrats.

 

[DesiPower]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Patranus
Honest question. What has Obama done to secure world peace? Nothing.

What did Bush do? Reigned in the Taliban in Afghanistan and overthrew a 2 bit dictator who committed genocide against his own people.

Sounds to me like the Nobel Prize committee has this all backwards.

George W Bush has done more for world peace and stability than Obama has, hands down, and that is a fact.

Fail of week, congrats.

Obama getting nobel is so ridiculous that I am unable to find anything wrong even with this reasoning... its like giving a high school kid nobel of literature coz of an essay he wrote - SOB has potential and dream...

Alfred must be turning over in his grave

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: waggy
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8299824.stm

"In the US the chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele, asked a simple question: "What has President Obama actually accomplished?"

Attributing Mr Obama's win to his "star power", Mr Steele said it was "unfortunate" he "outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights". "



and ...


"Asked why the prize had been awarded to Mr Obama less than a year after he took office, Nobel Committee head Thorbjoern Jagland said: "It was because we would like to support what he is trying to achieve"."



really say a lot. how people feel about Obama aside he did NOT deserve the nobel price over many who are more deserving.

To give him the prize in HOPE he would support other world leaders is wrong. it really makes the Nobel prize a joke.

That's backwards, they gave him the prize to support him, not so that he would support them. They are supporting what he is trying to acheive, i.e. his speech to the muslim world trying to repair the divide, etc. No us president ever gave a speech to the muslim world. He's been criticized from both left and right for being too conciliatory, and too eager to reach compromise, and that's at home on the domestic front. But conciliation and compromise are the stuff of Nobel Prizes. Still, too early.

 

[sciwizam]

You get an award! You get an award! Everybody gets an award!!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: shiner

Originally posted by: Patranus
Honest question. What has Obama done to secure world peace? Nothing.

What did Bush do? Reigned in the Taliban in Afghanistan and overthrew a 2 bit dictator who committed genocide against his own people.

Sounds to me like the Nobel Prize committee has this all backwards.

George W Bush has done more for world peace and stability than Obama has, hands down, and that is a fact.

I hope you waited until after noon to start drinking/toking

*hiccup* nopers, he had 4 :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

 

[DesiPower]

Originally posted by: sciwizam
You get an award! You get an award! Everybody gets an award!!

Its Nobel, not grandma Bingo

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: waggy
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8299824.stm

"In the US the chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele, asked a simple question: "What has President Obama actually accomplished?"

Attributing Mr Obama's win to his "star power", Mr Steele said it was "unfortunate" he "outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights". "



and ...


"Asked why the prize had been awarded to Mr Obama less than a year after he took office, Nobel Committee head Thorbjoern Jagland said: "It was because we would like to support what he is trying to achieve"."



really say a lot. how people feel about Obama aside he did NOT deserve the nobel price over many who are more deserving.

To give him the prize in HOPE he would support other world leaders is wrong. it really makes the Nobel prize a joke.

That's backwards, they gave him the prize to support him, not so that he would support them. They are supporting what he is trying to acheive, i.e. his speech to the muslim world trying to repair the divide, etc. No us president ever gave a speech to the muslim world. He's been criticized from both left and right for being too conciliatory, and too eager to reach compromise, and that's at home on the domestic front. But conciliation and compromise are the stuff of Nobel Prizes. Still, too early.

im not sure they gave it to him to support him.

Either way you shouldnt get a the Nobel Peace prize for "what if" and right now thats all it is. not when there are a few who have done more to deserve it. It turns the prize inot a joke.

the man hase gave a bunch of pretty speech's but havent done anything yet (and i hope he does what he says).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I note whoozeyer Daddy has at least one thing wrong in saying, "So really the NPP is now worth about as much as an award in one of those kiddie sports leagues where everyone gets a trophy."

Because in the fullness of time, everyone BUT GWB&co may get such a trophy. There are always some who are clearly left out. And no, its not just an accidental oversight in the case of GWB&co.

I said, before the 11/2008 election, that whomever was elected would probably spend the bulk of four years just to repair the damages to the US reputation in the international community. And here Obama does it in nine months. And without international trust, America cannot be effective in advancing its brand of diplomacy.

Did it in nine months? That's funny because my understanding is that nominations had to be in by February 1 and Obama took office on January 20. So that means he "repaired" the damage in a couple of weeks.

Uh....no.

when was the actual vote?

What was the basis of his nomination in the first place?

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[Sentrosi2121]

Just another notch in the Obama camp to diefy him now.

 

[Lemon law]

For those of you who think Obama unworthy of the prize, look no further than this small snippet from a yahoo news link.

" In Europe and much of the world Obama is lionized for bringing the United States closer to mainstream global thinking on issues like climate change and multilateralism. A 25-nation poll of 27,000 people released in July by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found double-digit boosts to the percentage of people viewing the U.S. favorably in countries around the world. That indicator had plunged across the world under President George W. Bush."

The perception of viewing the US favorably is an emotion, but an emotion is every bit as valid as a fact. Dismiss it if you will but double digit improvements in perception times the population of the earth, is not to be sneezed at. And as a rising tide lifts all boats, all manner of seemingly impossible things are now possible all over the globe.

And for what its worth, Obama has stated he will donate the 1.4 million dollar prize to charity. Yes the Nobel Peace prize does confer a certain degree of shock and awe, but in a positive way. And its good for all of us in the USA.

And dare we hope, when the dividends are cashed in and more work occurs on world peace, that Obama might win the Peace prize again. Or be a co winner with other peace partners. So much to do, so many areas to work on for world peace, the climate is right
to grow peace again, and we can all seize the moment.

 

[Svnla]

Anyone see this yet?

From Time/CNN = Last Thing He Needs = http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2...us_time/08599192939500


....."Compare this to Greg Mortenson, nominated for the prize by some members of Congress, who the bookies gave 20-to-1 odds of winning. Son of a missionary, a former army Medic and mountaineer, he has made it his mission to build schools for girls in places where opium dealers and tribal warlords kill people for trying. His Central Asia Institute has built more than 130 schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan - a mission which has, along the way, inspired millions of people to view the protection and education of girls as a key to peace and prosperity and progress"...


What have BO done to promote peace besides his words vs. Greg Mortenson's own action and put his own life on the line?

What happens to actions speak louder than words? Just my 2 cents. Wait, I spoke good words, where is my PEACE PRIZE????

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Citrix
funny how not one Obama lover in here has posted one thing he has done to deserve the reward. all they do is attack people who disagree with them, or Obama and even the NPP committee for giving what used to be the highest of highest award to Obama. god you guys are sad.

Funny how you can't read since a number of us have done exactly that. You may not agree with the reasoning, but to say nobody's done it is a lie.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
For those of you who think Obama unworthy of the prize, look no further than this small snippet from a yahoo news link.

" In Europe and much of the world Obama is lionized for bringing the United States closer to mainstream global thinking on issues like climate change and multilateralism. A 25-nation poll of 27,000 people released in July by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found double-digit boosts to the percentage of people viewing the U.S. favorably in countries around the world. That indicator had plunged across the world under President George W. Bush."

The perception of viewing the US favorably is an emotion, but an emotion is every bit as valid as a fact. Dismiss it if you will but double digit improvements in perception times the population of the earth, is not to be sneezed at. And as a rising tide lifts all boats, all manner of seemingly impossible things are now possible all over the globe.

And for what its worth, Obama has stated he will donate the 1.4 million dollar prize to charity. Yes the Nobel Peace prize does confer a certain degree of shock and awe, but in a positive way. And its good for all of us in the USA.

And dare we hope, when the dividends are cashed in and more work occurs on world peace, that Obama might win the Peace prize again. Or be a co winner with other peace partners. So much to do, so many areas to work on for world peace, the climate is right
to grow peace again, and we can all seize the moment.

:thumbsup:

 

[jpeyton]

If the award matters so little, why is there 300 comments chock full of right-wing whining and spin in this thread?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
For those of you who think Obama unworthy of the prize, look no further than this small snippet from a yahoo news link.

" In Europe and much of the world Obama is lionized for bringing the United States closer to mainstream global thinking on issues like climate change and multilateralism. A 25-nation poll of 27,000 people released in July by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found double-digit boosts to the percentage of people viewing the U.S. favorably in countries around the world. That indicator had plunged across the world under President George W. Bush."

The perception of viewing the US favorably is an emotion, but an emotion is every bit as valid as a fact. Dismiss it if you will but double digit improvements in perception times the population of the earth, is not to be sneezed at. And as a rising tide lifts all boats, all manner of seemingly impossible things are now possible all over the globe.

And for what its worth, Obama has stated he will donate the 1.4 million dollar prize to charity. Yes the Nobel Peace prize does confer a certain degree of shock and awe, but in a positive way. And its good for all of us in the USA.

And dare we hope, when the dividends are cashed in and more work occurs on world peace, that Obama might win the Peace prize again. Or be a co winner with other peace partners. So much to do, so many areas to work on for world peace, the climate is right
to grow peace again, and we can all seize the moment.

so he has improved the US realations with the world. GREAT! we needed that after bush.

BUT that does not deserve the nobel prize.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Lemon law
For those of you who think Obama unworthy of the prize, look no further than this small snippet from a yahoo news link.

" In Europe and much of the world Obama is lionized for bringing the United States closer to mainstream global thinking on issues like climate change and multilateralism. A 25-nation poll of 27,000 people released in July by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found double-digit boosts to the percentage of people viewing the U.S. favorably in countries around the world. That indicator had plunged across the world under President George W. Bush."

The perception of viewing the US favorably is an emotion, but an emotion is every bit as valid as a fact. Dismiss it if you will but double digit improvements in perception times the population of the earth, is not to be sneezed at. And as a rising tide lifts all boats, all manner of seemingly impossible things are now possible all over the globe.

And for what its worth, Obama has stated he will donate the 1.4 million dollar prize to charity. Yes the Nobel Peace prize does confer a certain degree of shock and awe, but in a positive way. And its good for all of us in the USA.

And dare we hope, when the dividends are cashed in and more work occurs on world peace, that Obama might win the Peace prize again. Or be a co winner with other peace partners. So much to do, so many areas to work on for world peace, the climate is right
to grow peace again, and we can all seize the moment.

so he has improved the US realations with the world. GREAT! we needed that after bush.

BUT that does not deserve the nobel prize.

:thumbsup:

 

[shiner]

I saw my ex wife in the mall a couple of weeks ago and didn't choke the bitch. Someone give me a Peace Prize NOW dammit!

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: shiner
I saw my ex wife in the mall a couple of weeks ago and didn't choke the bitch. Someone give me a Peace Prize NOW dammit!

They would have to give me a medal for that one too

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
For those of you who think Obama unworthy of the prize, look no further than this small snippet from a yahoo news link.

" In Europe and much of the world Obama is lionized for bringing the United States closer to mainstream global thinking on issues like climate change and multilateralism. A 25-nation poll of 27,000 people released in July by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found double-digit boosts to the percentage of people viewing the U.S. favorably in countries around the world. That indicator had plunged across the world under President George W. Bush."

The perception of viewing the US favorably is an emotion, but an emotion is every bit as valid as a fact. Dismiss it if you will but double digit improvements in perception times the population of the earth, is not to be sneezed at. And as a rising tide lifts all boats, all manner of seemingly impossible things are now possible all over the globe.

And for what its worth, Obama has stated he will donate the 1.4 million dollar prize to charity. Yes the Nobel Peace prize does confer a certain degree of shock and awe, but in a positive way. And its good for all of us in the USA.

And dare we hope, when the dividends are cashed in and more work occurs on world peace, that Obama might win the Peace prize again. Or be a co winner with other peace partners. So much to do, so many areas to work on for world peace, the climate is right
to grow peace again, and we can all seize the moment.

Great, so you're saying that opinion polls are valid criteria for selecting a Nobel Prize winner. I guess that means Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, or someone of their ilk might be the next winner, depending on the opinion poll.