Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy
"World Peace" is a pie-in-the-sky fairy tale.

That is NO excuse for our foreign policy. None whatsoever.

Pretending our foreign policy is the reason it is a fairy tale is ludicrous.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy
"World Peace" is a pie-in-the-sky fairy tale.

That is NO excuse for our foreign policy. None whatsoever.

Pretending our foreign policy is the reason it is a fairy tale is ludicrous.

So is pretending it's not.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy
"World Peace" is a pie-in-the-sky fairy tale.

That is NO excuse for our foreign policy. None whatsoever.

Pretending our foreign policy is the reason it is a fairy tale is ludicrous.

So is pretending it's not.

.....

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy
"World Peace" is a pie-in-the-sky fairy tale.

That is NO excuse for our foreign policy. None whatsoever.

Pretending our foreign policy is the reason it is a fairy tale is ludicrous.

No, that's the straw man. The fairy tale is that hundreds of billions of our dollars every year spent on killing people overseas and destroying their lands and economies, too, really do make the US better. We are safer, more secure, and well-respected throughout the world. It's money and lives well spent. And when all of this doesn't appear to be the case, then just repeat increasingly.

That's the fairy tale.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: PJABBER
As I believe Obama is a self-serving empty suit, I do not believe he will do more than make more speeches.

and when he passes healthcare which the last 4 decades worth of presidents have tried to do, he'll still be an empty suit to you.

when he reigned in credit card company predatory practices, he's an empty suit.

He never puts himself on the line except when he does, like in Copenhagen, and was criticized by conservatives for putting himself on the line.

Just be honest, you wouldn't approve of him no matter what he does and you'll keep posting walls-o-texts to that effect for the next 8 years.

So he called the CC companies to come in and he bitched at them. The result? They changed things like payment deadlines, fees structures, etc. It's not revolutionary. I mean a lot of people said "Sure that's good to have, but I pay my balance in full anyway." It's not something that desperately needs an overhaul (i.e. healthcare). And he has yet to accomplish anything on the HC front anyway. So once he does then maybe he can be considered... but only considered. That doesn't even make him a frontrunner yet.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: OCguy
Wow, what a joke. Giving it to someone in hopes they push agenda X is rediculous.

Uh, the 'agenda' is diplomacy over war. That's their agenda. You don't like it, too bad. Why the hell do you think the prize was created? To help support the role of diplomacy.

uhm no. the prize was not created to support the role of diplomacy.

"Every year since 1901 the Nobel Prize has been awarded for achievements in physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature and for peace"

the only thing you can say is "for peace" but the idea is what you have DONE for peace. what has Obama done?

he does not deserve it NOW. i am hopeing that in 2-3 years that is diffrent.

Wrong. First, my comment was about the Nobel PEACE prize, not all the Nobel prizes - you really didn't get that, and thought you were making a point by mentioning chemistry etc.?

Second, I'm not quickly findiing the Nobel committee comments, but they said the award was about the importance of global diplomacy.

i added for peace. Not that it matters.

its for things you have accomplished. NOT talking about. there were others that have accomplished far more for peace then Obama has. there has never been a award for diplomacy. getting the world to like the US more is great. but not deserving of a Nobel Prize.

You're like talking to a wall. Who cares what the Nobel committee says the prize is for, all you care about it what you think it's for.

The prize is to promote peace. If that's by honoring smeone for an 'accomplishment', great. If it's for a speech, great. If it's for something else, great.

What did Martin Luther King 'do' as an 'achievment' but say words? But you don't see a lot of criticism he didn't deserve it.

King didn't end wars, he didn't bring about systemic diplomatic chang,e, he didn't get rid of weapons systems. On civil rights, it was the government that changed the laws.

You may have a hard time with why they pick a figure who promotes 'peace'. But you obstinately not listening to anyone doesn't help.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy
"World Peace" is a pie-in-the-sky fairy tale.

That is NO excuse for our foreign policy. None whatsoever.

Pretending our foreign policy is the reason it is a fairy tale is ludicrous.

No, that's the straw man. The fairy tale is that hundreds of billions of our dollars every year spent on killing people overseas and destroying their lands and economies, too, really do make the US better. We are safer, more secure, and well-respected throughout the world. It's money and lives well spent. And when all of this doesn't appear to be the case, then just repeat increasingly.

That's the fairy tale.

Last I checked we aren't destroying the lands or economies. We are an occupational force attempting to set up a government in 2 nations. Last I checked we don't keep sending more troops over their for the purpose of our economy - we send more troops because a select group of people didn't manage to send over enough to begin with.

As for the second part, it would seem to me that we are safer and more secure. I don't know about you, but I don't recall any 9/11ish events happening.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: OCguy
Wow, what a joke. Giving it to someone in hopes they push agenda X is rediculous.

Uh, the 'agenda' is diplomacy over war. That's their agenda. You don't like it, too bad. Why the hell do you think the prize was created? To help support the role of diplomacy.

uhm no. the prize was not created to support the role of diplomacy.

"Every year since 1901 the Nobel Prize has been awarded for achievements in physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature and for peace"

the only thing you can say is "for peace" but the idea is what you have DONE for peace. what has Obama done?

he does not deserve it NOW. i am hopeing that in 2-3 years that is diffrent.

Wrong. First, my comment was about the Nobel PEACE prize, not all the Nobel prizes - you really didn't get that, and thought you were making a point by mentioning chemistry etc.?

Second, I'm not quickly findiing the Nobel committee comments, but they said the award was about the importance of global diplomacy.

i added for peace. Not that it matters.

its for things you have accomplished. NOT talking about. there were others that have accomplished far more for peace then Obama has. there has never been a award for diplomacy. getting the world to like the US more is great. but not deserving of a Nobel Prize.

You're like talking to a wall. Who cares what the Nobel committee says the prize is for, all you care about it what you think it's for.

The prize is to promote peace. If that's by honoring smeone for an 'accomplishment', great. If it's for a speech, great. If it's for something else, great.

What did Martin Luther King 'do' as an 'achievment' but say words? But you don't see a lot of criticism he didn't deserve it.

King didn't end wars, he didn't bring about systemic diplomatic chang,e, he didn't get rid of weapons systems. On civil rights, it was the government that changed the laws.

You may have a hard time with why they pick a figure who promotes 'peace'. But you obstinately not listening to anyone doesn't help.

So let me get this straight.... You are arguing that Martin Luther didn't have any achievements; he just gave "a speech".

Wow...

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Patranus
Honest question. What has Obama done to secure world peace? Nothing.

What did Bush do? Reigned in the Taliban in Afghanistan and overthrew a 2 bit dictator who committed genocide against his own people.

Sounds to me like the Nobel Prize committee has this all backwards.

George W Bush has done more for world peace and stability than Obama has, hands down, and that is a fact.

Ok zen ...

It's OK for oft banned imports like him to say crap like this imo, as far as he is concerned, his keyboard is a gun and that's a bunker, not him hiding under his bed. He's a certified loser and liar whose cowardice is part of public record forever. It must suck to wake and be him, day in and day out.

for his parents.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Patranus
Honest question. What has Obama done to secure world peace? Nothing.

What did Bush do? Reigned in the Taliban in Afghanistan and overthrew a 2 bit dictator who committed genocide against his own people.

Sounds to me like the Nobel Prize committee has this all backwards.

George W Bush has done more for world peace and stability than Obama has, hands down, and that is a fact.

Ok zen ...

It's OK for oft banned imports like him to say crap like this imo, as far as he is concerned, his keyboard is a gun and that's a bunker, not him hiding under his bed. He's a certified loser and liar whose cowardice is part of public record forever. It must suck to wake and be him, day in and day out.

for his parents.

Really?
Tell me how Obama has done more for world peace when compared to GWB.

GWB took out the Taliban in Afghanistan, a group of people who are notorious for atrocities against women and other minority groups. I guess you think the world was a better place with the Taliban in power...correct?

GWB took out a 2 bit dictator in Iraq. A 2 bit dictator that committed GENOCIDE against his own people. Not only that, but he was also known for oppressing his own people. I guess you also think the world was a better place with Husein in power....correct? I guess the curds would also agree with you...oh wait, they are all DEAD.

What has Obama done? Appeased a dictator in Iran as he massacred his own citizens in the streets after an obviously rigged election?

I guess you agree with the atrocities in Dar Fur...right?

The fact of the matter is that the world is not only a better place after GWB but it is also safer and on the road to being more peaceful.

 

[umbrella39]

Never said Obama deserved a thing. He doesn't. Not yet at least. He at least has time. Saying that BUSH deserves anything other than a special place in hell is ludicrous. When you cosign his BS and and praise him you are equally culpable and will rot as well imo. So you have that going for ya at least...

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Never said Obama deserved a thing. He doesn't. Not yet at least. He at least has time. Saying that BUSH deserves anything other than a special place in hell is ludicrous. When you cosign his BS and and praise him you are equally culpable and will rot as well imo. So you have that going for ya at least...

Most people would agree that people are tortured in hell. You're not a sub-human POS are you?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Patranus
Honest question. What has Obama done to secure world peace? Nothing.

What did Bush do? Reigned in the Taliban in Afghanistan and overthrew a 2 bit dictator who committed genocide against his own people.

Sounds to me like the Nobel Prize committee has this all backwards.

George W Bush has done more for world peace and stability than Obama has, hands down, and that is a fact.

Ok zen ...

It's OK for oft banned imports like him to say crap like this imo, as far as he is concerned, his keyboard is a gun and that's a bunker, not him hiding under his bed. He's a certified loser and liar whose cowardice is part of public record forever. It must suck to wake and be him, day in and day out.

for his parents.

Really?
Tell me how Obama has done more for world peace when compared to GWB.

GWB took out the Taliban in Afghanistan, a group of people who are notorious for atrocities against women and other minority groups. I guess you think the world was a better place with the Taliban in power...correct?

GWB took out a 2 bit dictator in Iraq. A 2 bit dictator that committed GENOCIDE against his own people. Not only that, but he was also known for oppressing his own people. I guess you also think the world was a better place with Husein in power....correct? I guess the curds would also agree with you...oh wait, they are all DEAD.

What has Obama done? Appeased a dictator in Iran as he massacred his own citizens in the streets after an obviously rigged election?

I guess you agree with the atrocities in Dar Fur...right?

The fact of the matter is that the world is not only a better place after GWB but it is also safer and on the road to being more peaceful.

Not sure what the curds have to do with this. They are only salty bits of coagulated milk being pressed into cheese.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Never said Obama deserved a thing. He doesn't. Not yet at least. He at least has time. Saying that BUSH deserves anything other than a special place in hell is ludicrous. When you cosign his BS and and praise him you are equally culpable and will rot as well imo. So you have that going for ya at least...

Most people would agree that people are tortured in hell. You're not a sub-human POS are you?

I lol'ed.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Never said Obama deserved a thing. He doesn't. Not yet at least. He at least has time. Saying that BUSH deserves anything other than a special place in hell is ludicrous. When you cosign his BS and and praise him you are equally culpable and will rot as well imo. So you have that going for ya at least...

Most people would agree that people are tortured in hell. You're not a sub-human POS are you?

I lol'ed.

I appreciate that.

 

[LunarRay]

There is poetic justice in awarding a Nobel Prize for the act of making peace through threat of war. It seems to me those searching for Peace have it and those who are not won't.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
ohh god now we have to deal with more rabid right foaming at the mouth

Reading some of the replies so far... yep hit it right on the head. :laugh:

Yup and boy are they all crying, moaning and pissing in each others beers over this!


Good Job Obama... Obama has done a lot, and if all your stuck up right assholes would let him pass health care then he would be even doing more! But it will pass. He just has to jump though all the hoops.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
ohh god now we have to deal with more rabid right foaming at the mouth

Reading some of the replies so far... yep hit it right on the head. :laugh:

Yup and boy are they all crying, moaning and pissing in each others beers over this!


Good Job Obama... Obama has done a lot, and if all your stuck up right assholes would let him pass health care then he would be even doing more! But it will pass. He just has to jump though all the hoops.

Barack Hussein Obama! mmm mmm mmm..

 

[Infohawk]

Ridiculous that he won, but he seemed to recognize that in his speech so I don't blame him.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

NM. DP.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
ohh god now we have to deal with more rabid right foaming at the mouth

Reading some of the replies so far... yep hit it right on the head. :laugh:

Yup and boy are they all crying, moaning and pissing in each others beers over this!


Good Job Obama... Obama has done a lot, and if all your stuck up right assholes would let him pass health care then he would be even doing more! But it will pass. He just has to jump though all the hoops.

If the "stuck up right assholes" would "let" him pass health care? Excuse me? Who has the majority in BOTH houses and can pass anything they want? Oh, that's right, the DEMOCRATS.

He doesn't deserve the award, and hasn't achieved anything to warrant it. You guys know it, and can't even defend it. "But...but....hope! Change!"

Carter deserved his. Obama does not.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Patranus
The fact of the matter is that the world is not only a better place after GWB but it is also safer and on the road to being more peaceful.

Only if President Obama and his successors can manage to straighten out President Bush's numerous screw-ups.

 

[Lemon law]

Let me see if I can quite get my arms around this, a big pile of posters presume to second guess the Nobel Peace Prize committee in charge of awarding this year's peace prize.

And not one of these self sanctimonious posters are a member of that Nobel committee, had they been, the outcome may have been different, but bottom line, they have and had no inputs. So it still boils down to mind over matter, regardless if they mind or not, they do not matter. But somehow these fools persist in the belief that their opinions matter?????????????

And tomorrow and the day after tommorrow ............, they will wake up to the fact that Obama received this year's Nobel peace prize. Because no one asked them.

And they can like it or lump it or live it and learn it. Why should their cognitive dissonance concern the rest of us?

 

[sciwizam]

Good thing the medal is given by Chairman of the Nobel Committee, and not the Swedish King!

Talk about the scandal of him bowing before the King!

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Let me see if I can quite get my arms around this, a big pile of posters presume to second guess the Nobel Peace Prize committee in charge of awarding this year's peace prize.

And not one of these self sanctimonious posters are a member of that Nobel committee, had they been, the outcome may have been different, but bottom line, they have and had no inputs. So it still boils down to mind over matter, regardless if they mind or not, they do not matter. But somehow these fools persist in the belief that their opinions matter?????????????

And tomorrow and the day after tommorrow ............, they will wake up to the fact that Obama received this year's Nobel peace prize. Because no one asked them.

And they can like it or lump it or live it and learn it. Why should their cognitive dissonance concern the rest of us?

I guess you have to get to know the committee members to figure out how they might have come up with the choice -

Why the Nobel selection committee chose Barack Obama

Why the committee chose Obama
By: Eamon Javers
POLITICO
October 9, 2009 06:29 PM EST

Barack Obama?s Nobel Peace Prize Friday shocked the world.

But a peek at the backgrounds of the five people who made the selection gives a clue why the prize panel would be so favorably disposed to Obama ? three of them would be considered hard-left liberals in American politics. One of those belongs to Norway?s Socialist Left party.

And all five people on the committee are politicians selected by the Norwegian parliament, and generally hew to a Norwegian view of foreign affairs ? internationalist in outlook and with a broad affinity for Obama?s posture on the world stage.

?Obama?s speech at the United Nations was received very positively, and falls right in line with the way Norwegians see their own foreign policy,? said Terje Leiren, professor of Scandinavian studies at the University of Washington, Seattle.

The other two members are Norway?s version of Republicans. The committee said Friday that the vote for Obama was unanimous.

Thorbjørn Jagland, the chair of the Nobel Committee, is a former Norwegian Prime Minister, and a former head of the Norwegian Labor Party, which is the largest political party in the country.
Leiren explained to POLITICO that the Norwegian Labor party is center-left politically, much like the British Labor Party was before Tony Blair pushed it toward the ideological center in the 1990s. ?All of the parties on the left in Norway are ?evolutionary? socialist parties,? explained Leiren. ?They believe that socialism evolves, and you do that in a democratic way.?

Leiren said that?s a distinction from ?revolutionary? socialists who favor tearing down democratic governments, and who are not represented in the mainstream of Norwegian politics.

?The role of government is seen positively in the Labor Party and among Norwegian socialists,? Leiren said. And Jagland himself, the professor said, ?is in the center part of the Labor party, he?s not a radical in any way.?

Another member of the committee, Sissel Marie Rønbeck, is a member of the Labor Party.

The third left-leaning politican on the Nobel committee is Ågot Valle, a member of the Socialist Left, a party that pushes for environmental causes and increases in social spending.

There are two right-of-center politicians on the committee: Kaci Kullmann Five, a member of the Conservative Party, which would be most parallel in American terms to the Rockefeller strain of old-line, pro-business moderate Republicanism.

And finally, the committee includes Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, a member of the right-wing Progress Party, which pushes for lower taxes and restrictions on immigration.