Originally posted by: cubeless
i am certainly relieved about him making peace with mars... that one had me worried...
but i have to go with the "encourage the winner to keep pursuing some path the awarders desire..." route...
now let's start a pool on whether mcc gets more troops now...
Originally posted by: NetGuySC
The only reason I think he was nominated is for his anti-israel comments.
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Triumph
Seriously? The Nobel Peace Prize? I'm by no means an Obama hater, but WTF? Don't you have to actually DO something to get this?
He's not George Bush and his VP isn't Darth Cheney. Sure, the bar is low, but this is a titanic achievement in and of itself and such a HUGE improvement for the rest of the world.
Of course, all of you bouncing around in your parochial right-wing echo chamber would have zero idea how relieved the rest of the entire world is.
Let me, as a Norwegian, say that I am profoundly ashamed of the decision of the Norwegian committee. I think this is just a trick to get a sitting american president to visit Norway. This is a suck-up of ridiculous proportions, and the once-relevant peace prize has been reduced to a simple political tool of inner Norwegian domestic affairs. The prize should be given to people who stand in the front line against violation of human rights. People who risk their life every day for the cause. It's them that really need the support of a prize like this.
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Triumph
Seriously? The Nobel Peace Prize? I'm by no means an Obama hater, but WTF? Don't you have to actually DO something to get this?
He's not George Bush and his VP isn't Darth Cheney. Sure, the bar is low, but this is a titanic achievement in and of itself and such a HUGE improvement for the rest of the world.
Of course, all of you bouncing around in your parochial right-wing echo chamber would have zero idea how relieved the rest of the entire world is.
If this is the case, shouldn't "the American voter" get the award?
Funny how you guys are so eager defend the indefensible, just to be anti-Bush.
Originally posted by: NetGuySC
The only reason I think he was nominated is for his anti-israel comments.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
If no one else will do it, its time to say congratulations, Barack Obama.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Indeed they do. Obama's actions include actively reaching out to the other countries of the world to embrace diplomacy and collaboration. His actions include immediately and decisively dispelling the adversarial environment fostered by the Cheney/Bush reign. His actions include NOT starting any new wars, not unilaterally invading other countries on imaginary evidence, not issuing one pugnacious ultimatum after another. As the leader of the only remaining superpower, he replaced a shoot-first schoolyard bully with someone who's thoughtful, articulate, and actually willing to work with the world. In short, Obama's changed the tone across the globe, from adversarial and dictatorial to cooperative. That may not seem like much to the sore losers in the Fox News crowd. To the rest of the world, however, it's obviously quite a step forward.Originally posted by: shiner
Yeah, they seem to have lost awareness of the old saying "Actions speak louder than words."
I have mixed feelings about Obama's domestic performance, but he's made tremendous progress in repairing international relations. Congratulations, President Obama. You make America proud.
Perhaps so. My sense is the American media has done a poor job of conveying how badly the Bush administration tainted America's image in the world and the extent to which it escalated tensions and increased concerns of widespread warfare. While Americans (in general) meandered about in blissful ignorance, the rest of the world saw a powder keg waiting to explode. Obama has dramatically and decisively reversed this in his few short months in office. Americans tended to see, "Meh. Obama took a globe-trotting vacation." The rest of the world saw America standing down and returning to the world stage as a force for peace and diplomacy.Originally posted by: Red Irish
I agree with you: Obama has done all of these things, but I still don't think he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize at the time of writing and I think that by awarding it to him they have somehow detracted from the significance of the award.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Indeed they do. Obama's actions include actively reaching out to the other countries of the world to embrace diplomacy and collaboration. His actions include immediately and decisively dispelling the adversarial environment fostered by the Cheney/Bush reign. His actions include NOT starting any new wars, not unilaterally invading other countries on imaginary evidence, not issuing one pugnacious ultimatum after another. As the leader of the only remaining superpower, he replaced a shoot-first schoolyard bully with someone who's thoughtful, articulate, and actually willing to work with the world. In short, Obama's changed the tone across the globe, from adversarial and dictatorial to cooperative. That may not seem like much to the sore losers in the Fox News crowd. To the rest of the world, however, it's obviously quite a step forward.Originally posted by: shiner
Yeah, they seem to have lost awareness of the old saying "Actions speak louder than words."
I have mixed feelings about Obama's domestic performance, but he's made tremendous progress in repairing international relations. Congratulations, President Obama. You make America proud.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Perhaps so. My sense is the American media has done a poor job of conveying how badly the Bush administration tainted America's image in the world and the extent to which it escalated tensions and increased concerns of widespread warfare. While Americans (in general) meandered about in blissful ignorance, the rest of the world saw a powder keg waiting to explode. Obama has dramatically and decisively reversed this in his few short months in office. Americans tended to see, "Meh. Obama took a globe-trotting vacation." The rest of the world saw America standing down and returning to the world stage as a force for peace and diplomacy.Originally posted by: Red Irish
I agree with you: Obama has done all of these things, but I still don't think he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize at the time of writing and I think that by awarding it to him they have somehow detracted from the significance of the award.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Indeed they do. Obama's actions include actively reaching out to the other countries of the world to embrace diplomacy and collaboration. His actions include immediately and decisively dispelling the adversarial environment fostered by the Cheney/Bush reign. His actions include NOT starting any new wars, not unilaterally invading other countries on imaginary evidence, not issuing one pugnacious ultimatum after another. As the leader of the only remaining superpower, he replaced a shoot-first schoolyard bully with someone who's thoughtful, articulate, and actually willing to work with the world. In short, Obama's changed the tone across the globe, from adversarial and dictatorial to cooperative. That may not seem like much to the sore losers in the Fox News crowd. To the rest of the world, however, it's obviously quite a step forward.Originally posted by: shiner
Yeah, they seem to have lost awareness of the old saying "Actions speak louder than words."
I have mixed feelings about Obama's domestic performance, but he's made tremendous progress in repairing international relations. Congratulations, President Obama. You make America proud.
Is that setting the bar too low? Maybe. I can see how it would appear that way to many Americans. The Nobel committee seems to have a different perspective.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Perhaps so. My sense is the American media has done a poor job of conveying how badly the Bush administration tainted America's image in the world and the extent to which it escalated tensions and increased concerns of widespread warfare. While Americans (in general) meandered about in blissful ignorance, the rest of the world saw a powder keg waiting to explode. Obama has dramatically and decisively reversed this in his few short months in office. Americans tended to see, "Meh. Obama took a globe-trotting vacation." The rest of the world saw America standing down and returning to the world stage as a force for peace and diplomacy.Originally posted by: Red Irish
I agree with you: Obama has done all of these things, but I still don't think he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize at the time of writing and I think that by awarding it to him they have somehow detracted from the significance of the award.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Indeed they do. Obama's actions include actively reaching out to the other countries of the world to embrace diplomacy and collaboration. His actions include immediately and decisively dispelling the adversarial environment fostered by the Cheney/Bush reign. His actions include NOT starting any new wars, not unilaterally invading other countries on imaginary evidence, not issuing one pugnacious ultimatum after another. As the leader of the only remaining superpower, he replaced a shoot-first schoolyard bully with someone who's thoughtful, articulate, and actually willing to work with the world. In short, Obama's changed the tone across the globe, from adversarial and dictatorial to cooperative. That may not seem like much to the sore losers in the Fox News crowd. To the rest of the world, however, it's obviously quite a step forward.Originally posted by: shiner
Yeah, they seem to have lost awareness of the old saying "Actions speak louder than words."
I have mixed feelings about Obama's domestic performance, but he's made tremendous progress in repairing international relations. Congratulations, President Obama. You make America proud.
Is that setting the bar too low? Maybe. I can see how it would appear that way to many Americans. The Nobel committee seems to have a different perspective.
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is cause for celebration. Perhaps we can get some school children to sing about it?
Isn't that pretty much what diplomacy is ... talk? Granted there are no new treaties signed or anything like that, but as we've seen again and again, treaties are often worthless pieces of paper that have nothing to do with real peace.Originally posted by: shiner
All of that is well and fine, but it still amounts to a lot of talk and little of anything else.
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Lemon law
If no one else will do it, its time to say congratulations, Barack Obama.
For what?
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Isn't that pretty much what diplomacy is ... talk? Granted there are no new treaties signed or anything like that, but as we've seen again and again, treaties are often worthless pieces of paper that have nothing to do with real peace.Originally posted by: shiner
All of that is well and fine, but it still amounts to a lot of talk and little of anything else.
The joke's on you. The child was pointing at you.Originally posted by: PJABBER
I wasn't going to post here as I have the Is Obama Becoming a Joke? thread going, but I am just amazed at how seriously you all are taking this. You need to read the joke thread to know just how funny this is.
Anyway, one post I made there is definitely more appropriate here -
But among the crowds a little child suddenly gasped out, "But he hasn't got anything on." And the people began to whisper to one another what the child had said. "He hasn't got anything on." "There's a little child saying he hasn't got anything on." Till everyone was saying, "But he hasn't got anything on." The Emperor himself had the uncomfortable feeling that what they were whispering was only too true. "But I will have to go through with the procession," he said to himself.
So he drew himself up and walked boldly on holding his head higher than before, and the courtiers held on to the train that wasn't there at all.
The Emperor's New Clothes
by Hans Christian Andersen (1805-75)
Originally posted by: PJABBER
I wasn't going to post here as I have the Is Obama Becoming a Joke? thread going, but I am just amazed at how seriously you all are taking this. You need to read the joke thread to know just how funny this is.
Anyway, one post I made there is definitely more appropriate here -
But among the crowds a little child suddenly gasped out, "But he hasn't got anything on." And the people began to whisper to one another what the child had said. "He hasn't got anything on." "There's a little child saying he hasn't got anything on." Till everyone was saying, "But he hasn't got anything on." The Emperor himself had the uncomfortable feeling that what they were whispering was only too true. "But I will have to go through with the procession," he said to himself.
So he drew himself up and walked boldly on holding his head higher than before, and the courtiers held on to the train that wasn't there at all.
The Emperor's New Clothes
by Hans Christian Andersen (1805-75)