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lupi

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To me saying that people only care about religion or ownership of their guns or immigration issues because they are bitter about their life or the government is just a wee bit off the beaten path of how the regular joe feels.


I also find it interesting that everytime we get some BHO sound clips that don't come from a scripted event he has to start appologizing.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man the Screwheads are really playing this for all they can. It'd be a shame if the best person doesn't win because of some poorly chosen words in one speech.

The problem isn't the poor choice of words, it's really about him showing his true colors. The condescending elitist tripe is something he's tried to cover up by painting himself as "change" and "hope" but IMO that's just a political marketing scam. IMO, he's no different than any other liberal politician except he's just better at pulling the wool over people's eyes than most...

Leave it to an ignorant fool to call someone elitist for telling it like it is. :beer:
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: lupi
To me saying that people only care about religion or ownership of their guns or immigration issues because they are bitter about their life or the government is just a wee bit off the beaten path of how the regular joe feels.


I also find it interesting that everytime we get some BHO sound clips that don't come from a scripted event he has to start appologizing.

When the are people going to stop misquoting him and misrepresenting what he said? He didn't say that people "only care about religion or ownership of guns", he didn't say that people "want to keep their guns", he didn't say they are "religious. He said that people "cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward those who are different" etc.
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: lupi
To me saying that people only care about religion or ownership of their guns or immigration issues because they are bitter about their life or the government is just a wee bit off the beaten path of how the regular joe feels.


I also find it interesting that everytime we get some BHO sound clips that don't come from a scripted event he has to start appologizing.

Coming off script also seems to affect his polling numbers. A PA poll that was done this weekend shows him down by 20 where the same poll had him tied with Clinton last week.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpo...4/obama-down-by-2.html

I'd still bet it's just a temporary drop. I've not seen anyone since Bill Clinton that was as good as Obama is about spreading the BS and coming back from a negative hit.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: lupi
To me saying that people only care about religion or ownership of their guns or immigration issues because they are bitter about their life or the government is just a wee bit off the beaten path of how the regular joe feels.


I also find it interesting that everytime we get some BHO sound clips that don't come from a scripted event he has to start appologizing.

When the are people going to stop misquoting him and misrepresenting what he said? He didn't say that people "only care about religion or ownership of guns", he didn't say that people "want to keep their guns", he didn't say they are "religious. He said that people "cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward those who are different" etc.

Dream on that there is a when this will stop. lupi doesn't give a shit about the truth. He's here to smear. Everything must be brought down to his level of shit. If you want to see hate offer hope to the mentally sick.
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man the Screwheads are really playing this for all they can. It'd be a shame if the best person doesn't win because of some poorly chosen words in one speech.

The problem isn't the poor choice of words, it's really about him showing his true colors. The condescending elitist tripe is something he's tried to cover up by painting himself as "change" and "hope" but IMO that's just a political marketing scam. IMO, he's no different than any other liberal politician except he's just better at pulling the wool over people's eyes than most...

Yes and you voted for Bush. Your humble opinion is less than humble, it's totally worthless, so worthless in fact, that you should stop having them or fouling the atmosphere with their expression. Be a real Christian and bow your head. You not only know absolutely nothing, you have a perverse talent for getting everything upside down. If Jesus were walking around you would be his enemy too.

If Obama would've had just a few more followers like you this thing would be over by now.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man the Screwheads are really playing this for all they can. It'd be a shame if the best person doesn't win because of some poorly chosen words in one speech.

The problem isn't the poor choice of words, it's really about him showing his true colors. The condescending elitist tripe is something he's tried to cover up by painting himself as "change" and "hope" but IMO that's just a political marketing scam. IMO, he's no different than any other liberal politician except he's just better at pulling the wool over people's eyes than most...

Yes and you voted for Bush. Your humble opinion is less than humble, it's totally worthless, so worthless in fact, that you should stop having them or fouling the atmosphere with their expression. Be a real Christian and bow your head. You not only know absolutely nothing, you have a perverse talent for getting everything upside down. If Jesus were walking around you would be his enemy too.

If Obama would've had just a few more followers like you this thing would be over by now.

If Obama had a few more followers like me this country wouldn't need Obama.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: lupi
To me saying that people only care about religion or ownership of their guns or immigration issues because they are bitter about their life or the government is just a wee bit off the beaten path of how the regular joe feels.


I also find it interesting that everytime we get some BHO sound clips that don't come from a scripted event he has to start appologizing.

1. It is not everytime
2. Its all his opponents have to try and slow him down.
3. The media has created a furor to support the media. Imagine that?
4. He is still the better candidate of the 3 left

 

chowderhead

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Originally posted by: 1prophet
How about the whole transcript for in context viewing.

Full transcript:

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

so the context was Obama trying to explain to a bunch of San Francisco donors why voters in small town America wasn't voting for him. First, he plays the race card and gets laughter from the crowd. Then, he basically said they aren't voting for him because they are bitter. They cling to their guns and their religion. Behind closed doors at a SF fundraiser, Obama reveals what he really thinks. If you don't support me, you are bitter. If you don't buy into my message of hope and change (TM), you are bitter. After he realizes what he said, he backtracks and says, well, those are in some communities. In others, there are lots of Obama supporters. This is the height of elitism, arrogance and condescension.
 

miniMUNCH

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I don't care if the president is elitist or not, whether the president is condescending or not... I only care about what he will do for the country, good or bad.

You think Hilliary isn't elitist? You think any presidential candidate in the last century hasn't been elitist is some way shape or form?

And by the way... Obama is more or less right. I live in western PA and he described some of populace reasonably well.
 

jpeyton

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Obama is doing a great job tearing into McCain at the AP conference (they were showing his speech live on CNN).

:thumbsup:

As long as the average voter has an IQ over 70, they can differentiate between Obama's choice of words and the Clinton/McCain spin machine.
 

Vic

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I can't believe this is still going. The truth of what Obama said is so simple and so obvious, that the only reasons I can find for why anyone would talk offense are emotional.
At the risk of sounding condescending, elitist, or (god forbid) intellectual, let's translate it into terms that even the worst partisan hack could understand.
The government of the United States consists of the people and for the people. It is "We the People." And this government exists for a reason, to serve the people, else we should not have it at all. That is the founding principle of our nation.
But for many years, that government and its people have been completely disconnected. Every election year, some politician makes promises that upon election he never keeps. And a cynical people tell themselves that they don't want anything from government, they don't expect any handouts, to ignore the reality that this disconnected government not only isn't helping them, but is rampant with corruption and cronyism and is stealing from them. And not just from them, but from their children and their children's children. But feeling utterly powerless to do anything about this, the people have turned inward to insular communities of religion, have fooled themselves into believing that they are empowered when they vote for single-issues like abortion or gays (instead of the greater issues that their politicians should be addressing but are not), and/or fall-back on their guns as a last refuge of safety from a government that they will not first take back through political means despite it being their civic duty as a citizen to do so prior to violent means.

Ask yourself, does George Bush serve YOUR interests in government? No. Even if you were a single-issue voter in 2000/2004, he did nothing for you. Abortion and gay marriage are here. Hell, he didn't even lower your tax burden, he just squandered your grandchildren's taxdollars in Iraq, and handed China the Note..
Did Bill Clinton serve YOUR interests in government? Probably not.
And so forth. Reagan did a little bit to help, but only by selling off your children to Japan.
No wonder people don't want to pay their taxes.

Basically, what Obama did here is ask Why do we even have this government if it doesn't serve the people? If it doesn't serve the people, then who does it serve? Why does that piss you off? Because he also asked, Why don't the people stand up and do something about it? Ah, that's it.
It's all fine and dandy that you don't want anything from government. I can respect that. But what I can't respect is using the same sentiment to apologize for a government that is constantly ripping you off. That I can't respect at all.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Once an elitist, always an elitist. As an Ivy League elitist, I can attest to that

When did Yale stop being a Ivy League school?
 

OutHouse

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The Dems have a serious issue, Obamma is sunk. his elitist views are out in the open now and we know now how he feels about he average working joe.
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: senseamp
Once an elitist, always an elitist. As an Ivy League elitist, I can attest to that

When did Yale stop being a Ivy League school?

Well, that's my point. He is an Ivy League elitist.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: senseamp
Once an elitist, always an elitist. As an Ivy League elitist, I can attest to that

When did Yale stop being a Ivy League school?

Well, that's my point. He is an Ivy League elitist.

:roll:

The Clintons went to Yale. The Bushes went to Yale. Obama went to Harvard.

Wow...
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man the Screwheads are really playing this for all they can. It'd be a shame if the best person doesn't win because of some poorly chosen words in one speech.

The problem isn't the poor choice of words, it's really about him showing his true colors. The condescending elitist tripe is something he's tried to cover up by painting himself as "change" and "hope" but IMO that's just a political marketing scam. IMO, he's no different than any other liberal politician except he's just better at pulling the wool over people's eyes than most...

Yes and you voted for Bush. Your humble opinion is less than humble, it's totally worthless, so worthless in fact, that you should stop having them or fouling the atmosphere with their expression. Be a real Christian and bow your head. You not only know absolutely nothing, you have a perverse talent for getting everything upside down. If Jesus were walking around you would be his enemy too.

If Obama would've had just a few more followers like you this thing would be over by now.

If Obama had a few more followers like me this country wouldn't need Obama.

followers? you mean a follower like if he was Jim Jones?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Citrix
The Dems have a serious issue, Obamma is sunk. his elitist views are out in the open now and we know now how he feels about he average working joe.

Yes, because saying that people should be empowered in their government is elitist. :roll:

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bill Clinton served my interests in government.

Name how. At Waco or Ruby Ridge? Through NAFTA or China Trade? Or was it GLBA or PMI act?
 

chowderhead

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Citrix
The Dems have a serious issue, Obamma is sunk. his elitist views are out in the open now and we know now how he feels about he average working joe.

Yes, because saying that people should be empowered in their government is elitist. :roll:

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bill Clinton served my interests in government.

Name how. At Waco or Ruby Ridge? Through NAFTA or China Trade? Or was it GLBA or PMI act?

Ruby Ridge happened in August of 1992 when George HW Bush was still President.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If Obama had a few more followers like me this country wouldn't need Obama.

followers? you mean a follower like if he was Jim Jones?

No, more followers who understand this basic principle of our government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Vic
I can't believe this is still going. The truth of what Obama said is so simple and so obvious, that the only reasons I can find for why anyone would talk offense are emotional.
At the risk of sounding condescending, elitist, or (god forbid) intellectual, let's translate it into terms that even the worst partisan hack could understand.
The government of the United States consists of the people and for the people. It is "We the People." And this government exists for a reason, to serve the people, else we should not have it at all. That is the founding principle of our nation.
But for many years, that government and its people have been completely disconnected. Every election year, some politician makes promises that upon election he never keeps. And a cynical people tell themselves that they don't want anything from government, they don't expect any handouts, to ignore the reality that this disconnected government not only isn't helping them, but is rampant with corruption and cronyism and is stealing from them. And not just from them, but from their children and their children's children. But feeling utterly powerless to do anything about this, the people have turned inward to insular communities of religion, have fooled themselves into believing that they are empowered when they vote for single-issues like abortion or gays (instead of the greater issues that their politicians should be addressing but are not), and/or fall-back on their guns as a last refuge of safety from a government that they will not first take back through political means despite it being their civic duty as a citizen to do so prior to violent means.

Ask yourself, does George Bush serve YOUR interests in government? No. Even if you were a single-issue voter in 2000/2004, he did nothing for you. Abortion and gay marriage are here. Hell, he didn't even lower your tax burden, he just squandered your grandchildren's taxdollars in Iraq, and handed China the Note..
Did Bill Clinton serve YOUR interests in government? Probably not.
And so forth. Reagan did a little bit to help, but only by selling off your children to Japan.
No wonder people don't want to pay their taxes.

Basically, what Obama did here is ask Why do we even have this government if it doesn't serve the people? If it doesn't serve the people, then who does it serve? Why does that piss you off? Because he also asked, Why don't the people stand up and do something about it? Ah, that's it.
It's all fine and dandy that you don't want anything from government. I can respect that. But what I can't respect is using the same sentiment to apologize for a government that is constantly ripping you off. That I can't respect at all.

I'm sorry, but it's exactly how people who hate themselves and are hopeless will act. It will not due that you don't respect respect that. The challenge is how to help people who don't want to understand they need help, who are too conceited to acknowledge they have problems, too defensive and in denial to understand what is going on. The challenge is to see that we are our own worst enemy and we will kill anybody who tells us that. That is our condition, the fact of where we are and no moral approbation toward that condition will help. We hate ourselves and we hate how we hate ourselves and we don't want to know. We can't help it and we are not to blame. We had to be that way to survive. The danger to our physical survival has passed but we still live in the pill box we created to fend off death and are afraid to let go and walk again in the sun. There is only love and only love can awaken us.

But it can't hurt to know the real facts and see how self hate destroys everything. But hating yourself for hating yourself is more medicine from the enemy. It is still hate. We need to forgive others so we can forgive ourselves. We are all the same.

What makes us human is kindness. P Dick said something like that, I think.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: chowderhead
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Citrix
The Dems have a serious issue, Obamma is sunk. his elitist views are out in the open now and we know now how he feels about he average working joe.

Yes, because saying that people should be empowered in their government is elitist. :roll:

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bill Clinton served my interests in government.

Name how. At Waco or Ruby Ridge? Through NAFTA or China Trade? Or was it GLBA or PMI act?

Ruby Ridge happened in August of 1992 when George HW Bush was still President.

Oooh.... in this context, so what? Did the Clinton admin, which inherited the issue, do anything to help make it right or to prevent such a thing from happening again?
Or is this you just nitpicking a single item because you can't address anything else I've said, and you want an emotional reason to be able to rationalize voting for yet another Presidential candidate who expressly will not serve your interests?
 
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