Obama calls small town Americans bitter

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp
Once an elitist, always an elitist. As an Ivy League elitist, I can attest to that

When did Yale stop being a Ivy League school?

Well, that's my point. He is an Ivy League elitist.

:roll:

The Clintons went to Yale. The Bushes went to Yale. Obama went to Harvard.

Wow...

And? Clintons are elitists too, as are Bush's. I don't see what the big deal is.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix
The Dems have a serious issue, Obamma is sunk. his elitist views are out in the open now and we know now how he feels about he average working joe.

Yes, because saying that people should be empowered in their government is elitist. :roll:

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bill Clinton served my interests in government.

Name how. At Waco or Ruby Ridge? Through NAFTA or China Trade? Or was it GLBA or PMI act?

Peace and prosperity. It lifted all boats, including mine.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp
And? Clintons are elitists too, as are Bush's. I don't see what the big deal is.

Really? And where was that "elitist" tag being applied equally to Clinton and Bush as well as to Obama in this thread prior to your post here?

Originally posted by: senseamp
Peace and prosperity. It lifted all boats, including mine.

Except it didn't. But that is pretty little platitude, isn't it?

 

[Moonbeam]

All I remember about the Clinton administration is something about a dick head and a blue dress and, of course, I didn't have sex with that woman.

 

[agibby5]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: agibby5

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
The more this guy campaigns, the more I like the fucker.

Likewise... I mean it sounds like he's telling the truth. If not, everyone wouldnt be so upset. I'm sure bitter and I live in a small town! I'm also very cynical about the government. Those are the main points I think he was trying to convey.

Self hate is like having a sore toe you stick out in the aisle so you can rant and scream when somebody steps on it. It's the chip on the shoulder, the drunk looking for a fight. It's the impulse to do our worst in the hope it will somehow this time be forgiven. But there is only one cure for self hate and that is self love and to love yourself you have to let go of the swine. But we so love our pork, our slop and our sty.

Nice post. Very poetic. However, I don't see how what I said means that I hate myself? Cynicism doesn't mean that you're out to do your worst. In my opinion, it means that you're skeptical of others ability to do well given their past record or motives. That's what I think about when I think about our government.

Chip on my shoulder? No. It's more of a see/tell it like it is mentality. If things are messed up, I won't be shy. I think that the problem here is certain peoples responses to Obama's telling of the truth. He merely spoke about his observation of bitter people in America as a result of their situations and/or past government leadership.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix
The Dems have a serious issue, Obamma is sunk. his elitist views are out in the open now and we know now how he feels about he average working joe.

Yes, because saying that people should be empowered in their government is elitist. :roll:

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bill Clinton served my interests in government.

Name how. At Waco or Ruby Ridge? Through NAFTA or China Trade? Or was it GLBA or PMI act?

Ruby Ridge happened in August of 1992 when George HW Bush was still President.

Oooh.... in this context, so what? Did the Clinton admin, which inherited the issue, do anything to help make it right or to prevent such a thing from happening again?
Or is this you just nitpicking a single item because you can't address anything else I've said, and you want an emotional reason to be able to rationalize voting for yet another Presidential candidate who expressly will not serve your interests?

They sure did! Made sure the next military styled attack on US citizens had CNN camera's broadcasting. That 2nd amendment got in the way though because the attack was repelled by common citizens.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87
They sure did! Made sure the next military styled attack on US citizens had CNN camera's broadcasting. That 2nd amendment got in the way though because the attack was repelled by common citizens.

I don't understand quite what you're getting at. Obama is running against Team Clinton this year.
As it is, Republican policies support "military styled attacks" on US citizens on an almost daily basis. They're called "drug busts." My fav is when the DEA cracks down on marijuana growers that are otherwise legal under state law, i.e. medical in CA. So much for states rights. But wait! I thought the Pubs were the champions of states rights! Or of individual sovereignty... ? Fiscal responsibility... ? Personal accountability... ? Whoops, no to all.

You and I have had some respect in the past, Genx87, but if this election for you is going to be dominated by ideological ideals (that should be) as opposed to the actual reality that is and needs to be dealt with, then we're just not going to be in agreement.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Looks like this story isn't going away any time soon..

ABC News

Anyone else feel Obama joking about it only makes things worse?

He wasn't joking about it.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
http://bittervoters.org/

that didn't take long did it

You seem to be very good at finding information.

 

[OrByte]

The worst thing about this whole scenario is:

these small town gun-grabbin church-goin folk are going to swing a VERY important election.

+elitist comment.

 

[Fern]

IMO, this bruhaha over nothing (bittergate) is proof that the Dem primary has gone on for too long.

I can't believe this thread about so much "nothing" has gone on for so long. And now I hear Obama (a mixed race kid from a broken home) is an elite, and Hillary (Dad was a successful attorney, she went to Yale, and then lived in the Governor's mansion while spending time on the Board of Directors of Fortune 500 corporations, the on to the White House and being a Senator) is not an elite. Only she understands blue collar working people and is their savior. What a load of bullshit.

I'm hearing that people at her rallies are booing when she brings up bittergate and elitism. Good for them, and the above paragraph is my way of booing at this issue in P&N.

I've just read rumors that Gore & Carter are working together to end the Dem primary. This BS is starting to make me agree with that.

Fern

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: sirjonk
http://bittervoters.org/

that didn't take long did it

You seem to be very good at finding information.

I need a vacation.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Fern
IMO, this bruhaha over nothing (bittergate) is proof that the Dem primary has gone on for too long.

I can't believe this thread about so much "nothing" has gone on for so long. And now I hear Obama (a mixed race kid from a broken home) is an elite, and Hillary (Dad was a successful attorney, she went to Yale, and then lived in the Governor's mansion while spending time on the Board of Directors of Fortune 500 corporations, the on to the White House and being a Senator) is not an elite. Only she understands blue collar working people and is their savior. What a load of bullshit.

I'm hearing that people at her rallies are booing when she brings up bittergate and elitism. Good for them, and the above paragraph is my way of booing at this issue in P&N.

I've just read rumors that Gore & Carter are working together to end the Dem primary. This BS is starting to make me agree with that.

Fern

Yeah, I'd hate to be stuck living in hawaii with rich grandmum and then heading to harvard. :roll:

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If Obama had a few more followers like me this country wouldn't need Obama.

followers? you mean a follower like if he was Jim Jones?

No, more followers who understand this basic principle of our government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

and you think Obama will give you that? BWhahahahhahahah

pipe dream, nothing more than a pipe dream

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Fern
IMO, this bruhaha over nothing (bittergate) is proof that the Dem primary has gone on for too long.

I can't believe this thread about so much "nothing" has gone on for so long. And now I hear Obama (a mixed race kid from a broken home) is an elite, and Hillary (Dad was a successful attorney, she went to Yale, and then lived in the Governor's mansion while spending time on the Board of Directors of Fortune 500 corporations, the on to the White House and being a Senator) is not an elite. Only she understands blue collar working people and is their savior. What a load of bullshit.

I'm hearing that people at her rallies are booing when she brings up bittergate and elitism. Good for them, and the above paragraph is my way of booing at this issue in P&N.

I've just read rumors that Gore & Carter are working together to end the Dem primary. This BS is starting to make me agree with that.

Fern

Yeah, I'd hate to be stuck living in hawaii with rich grandmum and then heading to harvard. :roll:

His grandmother was rich? He spent his entire childhood only in Hawaii? He went straight to Harvard and skipped over undergrad? You are simplifying his situation way too much.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If Obama had a few more followers like me this country wouldn't need Obama.

followers? you mean a follower like if he was Jim Jones?

No, more followers who understand this basic principle of our government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

and you think Obama will give you that? BWhahahahhahahah

pipe dream, nothing more than a pipe dream

You sound a little bitter yourself.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If Obama had a few more followers like me this country wouldn't need Obama.

followers? you mean a follower like if he was Jim Jones?

No, more followers who understand this basic principle of our government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

and you think Obama will give you that? BWhahahahhahahah

pipe dream, nothing more than a pipe dream

No... I was responding in context to your reply to Moonie. Nice distraction there, trying to take this out of context...

However, I do think he will do more in that regard than his opponents. This is a 3-way race, remember? With that in mind, I'll be like you (and you let me know how it feels).

and you think Hillary/McCain will give you that? BWhahahahhahahah

pipe dream, nothing more than a pipe dream

Exactly. I love how the anti-Obama crowd keeps trying to pretend that this election is Obama vs. some perfect ideal of who should be President. Sorry no. It's Obama vs. the Military Doofus and Corporate Witch. Context is everything.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Vic

I love how the anti-Obama crowd keeps trying to pretend that this election is Obama vs. some perfect ideal of who should be President. Sorry no. It's the Smooth Talking Bigot vs. the Military Doofus and Corporate Witch. Context is everything.

Fixed

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If Obama had a few more followers like me this country wouldn't need Obama.

followers? you mean a follower like if he was Jim Jones?

No, more followers who understand this basic principle of our government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

and you think Obama will give you that? BWhahahahhahahah

pipe dream, nothing more than a pipe dream

No... I was responding in context to your reply to Moonie. Nice distraction there, trying to take this out of context...

However, I do think he will do more in that regard than his opponents. This is a 3-way race, remember? With that in mind, I'll be like you (and you let me know how it feels).

and you think Hillary/McCain will give you that? BWhahahahhahahah

pipe dream, nothing more than a pipe dream

Exactly. I love how the anti-Obama crowd keeps trying to pretend that this election is Obama vs. some perfect ideal of who should be President. Sorry no. It's Obama vs. the Military Doofus and Corporate Witch. Context is everything.

nope, none of the 3 will do that.

honestly the only one who could would have been Ron Paul.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Vic

I love how the anti-Obama crowd keeps trying to pretend that this election is Obama vs. some perfect ideal of who should be President. Sorry no. It's the Smooth Talking Bigot vs. the Military Doofus and Corporate Witch. Context is everything.

Fixed

nice!!

:thumbsup:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Vic

I love how the anti-Obama crowd keeps trying to pretend that this election is Obama vs. some perfect ideal of who should be President. Sorry no. It's the Smooth Talking Bigot vs. the Military Doofus and Corporate Witch. Context is everything.

Fixed

So the black guy running under an endless tirade of racist remarks is the bigot? That makes about as much sense as you accusing Obama of growing up wealthy when his opponents both came from old money. But wait, we can't vote for the black guy because he didn't come from the ghetto and because the pastor of his church -- the largest black megachurch in America with a congregation of more than 8,000 members -- has made some controversial comments in the past.
There's just nothing you hacks won't spin upside-down, is there? You're deluding yourself if you can't see how transparent all this is. Quick! Call the Harvard Law grad running against the Yale Law grad an Ivy League elitist again...

 

[lupi]

I found this interesting.


In fact, this is a potential turning point for Obama?s campaign ? an episode that could be even more damaging than the attention to remarks by his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, since this time the controversial words came out of his own mouth.

Here are a dozen reasons why:

1. It lets Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) off the mat at a time when even some of her top supporters had begun to despair about her prospects. Clinton hit back hard on the campaign trail Saturday. And her campaign held a conference call where former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, a Pittsburgh native, described Obama?s remarks as ?condescending and disappointing? and ?undercutting his message of hope.?


2. If you are going to say something that makes you sound like a clueless liberal, don?t say it in San Francisco. Obama?s views might have been received very differently if he had expressed them in public to Pennsylvania voters, saying he understood and could alleviate their frustrations.

3. Some people actually use guns to hunt ? not to compensate for a salary that?s less than a U.S. senator?s.

4. Some people cling to religion not because they are bitter but because they believe it, and because faith in God gives them purpose and comfort.

5. Some hard-working Americans find it insulting when rich elites explain away things dear to their hearts as desperation. It would be like a white politician telling blacks they cling to charismatic churches to compensate for their plight. And it vindicates centrist Democrats who have been arguing for a decade that their party has allowed itself to look culturally out of touch with the American mainstream.

6. It provides a handy excuse for people who were looking for a reason not to vote for Obama but don?t want to think of themselves as bigoted. It hurts Obama especially with the former Reagan Democrats, the culturally conservative, blue-collar workers who could be a promising voter group for him. It also antagonizes people who were concerned about his minister but might have given him the benefit of the doubt after his eloquent speech on race.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Vic

I love how the anti-Obama crowd keeps trying to pretend that this election is Obama vs. some perfect ideal of who should be President. Sorry no. It's the Smooth Talking Bigot vs. the Military Doofus and Corporate Witch. Context is everything.

Fixed

nice!!

:thumbsup:

So which of those 3 are you voting for then?

If not the Smooth Talking Black Bigot, is it the one that will keep selling us off to Saudi Arabia or the one that will keep selling us off to China?

Oh... you forget context again.... :roll:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If Obama had a few more followers like me this country wouldn't need Obama.

followers? you mean a follower like if he was Jim Jones?

No, more followers who understand this basic principle of our government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

and you think Obama will give you that? BWhahahahhahahah

pipe dream, nothing more than a pipe dream

No... I was responding in context to your reply to Moonie. Nice distraction there, trying to take this out of context...

However, I do think he will do more in that regard than his opponents. This is a 3-way race, remember? With that in mind, I'll be like you (and you let me know how it feels).

and you think Hillary/McCain will give you that? BWhahahahhahahah

pipe dream, nothing more than a pipe dream

Exactly. I love how the anti-Obama crowd keeps trying to pretend that this election is Obama vs. some perfect ideal of who should be President. Sorry no. It's Obama vs. the Military Doofus and Corporate Witch. Context is everything.

nope, none of the 3 will do that.

honestly the only one who could would have been Ron Paul.

And you accuse me of pipe dreams while you're sucking on the biggest crack pipe of all this year... wow

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Fern
IMO, this bruhaha over nothing (bittergate) is proof that the Dem primary has gone on for too long.

I can't believe this thread about so much "nothing" has gone on for so long. And now I hear Obama (a mixed race kid from a broken home) is an elite, and Hillary (Dad was a successful attorney, she went to Yale, and then lived in the Governor's mansion while spending time on the Board of Directors of Fortune 500 corporations, the on to the White House and being a Senator) is not an elite. Only she understands blue collar working people and is their savior. What a load of bullshit.

I'm hearing that people at her rallies are booing when she brings up bittergate and elitism. Good for them, and the above paragraph is my way of booing at this issue in P&N.

I've just read rumors that Gore & Carter are working together to end the Dem primary. This BS is starting to make me agree with that.

Fern

Yeah, I'd hate to be stuck living in hawaii with rich grandmum and then heading to harvard. :roll:

His grandmother was rich? He spent his entire childhood only in Hawaii? He went straight to Harvard and skipped over undergrad? You are simplifying his situation way too much.

I can't find out for certain, but information I pulled up about where his grandmother's house is (supposedly she still lives in the same house) in Honolulu does not indicate that she is wealthy. Beretania Street appears to be a busy street, off-the-beach, practically under the H1 freeway, and not up the hill. Granted, home values in Hawaii are VERY expensive, so that could give the usual spinning hack who expects you to be stupid some ammunition to play with here, but it seems that she's owned that same house for as much 50 years, in which case it was probably cheap back then.
However, it's no secret that Obama had a middle-class white upbringing in Hawaii. That's what makes him a bigot