Obama calls small town Americans bitter

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Punjabi memo

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004510.html

Lets not mention the fact the he campaigns in Asian and Hispanic communities right before a primary. He just wants votes, don't think of this man as the second coming. Many false prophets and gurus have brought ruin to nations.

Hillary has helped many minority communities a lot so did Bill Clinton, I won't forget that and I hope others do not as well.

I won't mention the people and ideas he has supported against whites because you are a majority in this country and feel some sort of guilt I guess.

Russia was a different case, the cold war with Russia was economic and not cultural. Muslims think this world is theirs for the taking.

From what I gather, the Punjabi memo, if it was actually even sent out by the Obama campaign, is hitting on the Clinton's ties with India the nation not Indian-Americans. It fits alongside his viewpoint of jobs being lost in the US.

Regarding your bolded portion, I don't see how that's relevant one way or the other. It's an election, it's obvious that he's going to cater to differing groups. People get elected by garnering votes so I don't know what you're expecting him to do there. He already has a track record of helping impoverished people in this country, it's not exactly his fault that a good percentage of the impoverished are black. He's taken very similar positions, in regards to civil rights, as the Clintons. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding what you're trying to prove.

exactly. i wasn't offended at all as the crack is an attack on hillary's ties to india.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Andyb23
As I've said before this memo was much more accessible earlier this year.

I personally think Obama has a lot of power, he has received no criticism in the press and has achieved a saint-like status. Which I feel is always dangerous.

To answer your question if that statement was turned around and it attacked Nigerian scammers or people donating to Arab causes it would be seen as racist. Indians and Asian-Americans as a whole are seen as soft targets for politicians. I thought Obama would change that.

Anyways guys I respect your opinions and please do not see my comments as a condemnation of Obama I just do not think of him as an 'honest' guy.

No criticism from the press? Reverend Wright? Rezko? Bitter small town Americans? Pakistan? There's been plenty of criticism of Obama.

You can't even compare outsourcing of jobs to Nigerian scams or donations to other countries. These are extremely unlike situations and even if he did criticize Nigerian scams, I would highly doubt it would be thought as racist. Do you think people will think of him as a racist for a known scam performed by Nigerians?

Indians and Asian-Americans may be soft targets but I have yet to see a comment from Obama that actually puts Indian and Asian-Americans in a poor light. Like I said, the memo is not an attack on Indians but an attack on corporate interests in foreign countries, in this specific case, India, to the detriment of Americans (which, the last time I checked, includes Indian and Asian-Americans). I'm just trying to see if you have solid proof that Obama is somehow dishonest towards minorities.

All of those situations were prompted by extremely offensive links or comments by Obama.

Look at the criticism of McCain and Clinton. Most of it can be traced to ageism or sexism. Lets be honest here, I've heard a lot of Obama fans say McCain is an old Alzheimer's patient and that Clinton is a feminist b****.

And no other then his dishonest campaigning and the Punjabi memo I don't have proof of his being anti-minority. But maybe thats because this guy came out of nowhere and hasn't even had a political position for a long period of time.

Yllus, I don't care what he wrote in that magazine. Many Indian politicians write beautiful statements but in the end their true values don't match their words. With Obama, basically a lot of people are banking on an unknown because they are so sick of Bush.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic
And as I've said time and again here, my support for Obama is only because his 2 opponents are MUCH worse. I don't agree necessarily with his policies, but I do believe that he has the leadership that this country needs at this time.

Is there anyone whom you truly support? The thing that make me so pessimistic and angry about American politics is this stupid "I'm voting for this guy because other guys suck even more" mentality.

There's 300 million people in this democracy, Tab. That makes it pretty impossible for any single candidate to be the right guy for anyone, much less everyone.

I will say this though. I like Obama as much as I don't like Hillary and McCain. Which is quite a bit. He's the right person at the right time. Almost too much so, in fact, which IMO is why both his supporters and his detractors are so overzealous.

We're in for interesting times.

Andyb23 is way off though. The memo is a non-issue, 99.9% of Muslims are perfectly fine people, and if Obama provides more help to blacks well then hey maybe we should look at how unfairly they were treated in the past eh?

There's a bigger picture in America that the partisans on both sides in Washington have been ignoring for far far too long, one I have been arguing here for a long time, and Obama actually looks at it. It's not "socialist" to notice that we treat large segments of our population unfairly and deny them opportunity, but it is anti-capitalist to support the government practices that perpetuate this.
For example, the issue of health care on internet message boards always bounces back and forth between UHC (socialism) and a pure free market (as though our current system were anything that), as though there were no other option, as though all will be made well by picking one of those 2 options. And what is always missed is the question, why are these people getting so sick in the first place? The answer might surprise you.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
All of those situations were prompted by extremely offensive links or comments by Obama.

Look at the criticism of McCain and Clinton. Most of it can be traced to ageism or sexism. Lets be honest here, I've heard a lot of Obama fans say McCain is an old Alzheimer's patient and that Clinton is a feminist b****.

And no other then his dishonest campaigning and the Punjabi memo I don't have proof of his being anti-minority. But maybe thats because this guy came out of nowhere and hasn't even had a political position for a long period of time.

Yllus, I don't care what he wrote in that magazine. Many Indian politicians write beautiful statements but in the end their true values don't match their words. With Obama, basically a lot of people are banking on an unknown because they are so sick of Bush.

You realize that you're attributing comments made by fans, supporters, and underlings and applying them directly to the candidate, while at the same time refuting the veracity of the candidate's actual statements, right?
That's kinda silly, don't you think?

And I've been following Obama since he was in the Illinois statehouse. He's been a rising star for quite some time. Your "came out of nowhere" comment is something I have heard from a lot of Hillary supporters who think that she's somehow entitled to the White House, but it's not true (he just timed his campaign very well, not unlike McCain did BTW when took out Romney).
Hillary's own political credentials are no better than Obama, and sorry, I've been saying this for 6 years, but she is NEVER going to be POTUS.
When (not if) a woman becomes POTUS, I sincerely hope that it will be one who got there on her own merits, and not because of her husband's last name.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic
And as I've said time and again here, my support for Obama is only because his 2 opponents are MUCH worse. I don't agree necessarily with his policies, but I do believe that he has the leadership that this country needs at this time.

Is there anyone whom you truly support? The thing that make me so pessimistic and angry about American politics is this stupid "I'm voting for this guy because other guys suck even more" mentality.

There's 300 million people in this democracy, Tab. That makes it pretty impossible for any single candidate to be the right guy for anyone, much less everyone.

I will say this though. I like Obama as much as I don't like Hillary and McCain. Which is quite a bit. He's the right person at the right time. Almost too much so, in fact, which IMO is why both his supporters and his detractors are so overzealous.

We're in for interesting times.

Andyb23 is way off though. The memo is a non-issue, 99.9% of Muslims are perfectly fine people, and if Obama provides more help to blacks well then hey maybe we should look at how unfairly they were treated in the past eh?

There's a bigger picture in America that the partisans on both sides in Washington have been ignoring for far far too long, one I have been arguing here for a long time, and Obama actually looks at it. It's not "socialist" to notice that we treat large segments of our population unfairly and deny them opportunity, but it is anti-capitalist to support the government practices that perpetuate this.
For example, the issue of health care on internet message boards always bounces back and forth between UHC (socialism) and a pure free market (as though our current system were anything that), as though there were no other option, as though all will be made well by picking one of those 2 options. And what is always missed is the question, why are these people getting so sick in the first place? The answer might surprise you.

Vic I invite you to live in Jalandhar or Nasik for a year. Or even Athens in Greece. We will see if you say the same thing.

It is an issue amongst the Indian community. Believe me.

Vic, I would also like you explain why people are so sick in the first place as well.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Vic I invite you to live in Jalandhar or Nasik for a year. Or even Athens in Greece. We will see if you say the same thing.

It is an issue amongst the Indian community. Believe me.

Vic, I would also like you explain why people are so sick in the first place as well.

None of those places are here in America. And hey, the Muslims and Hindis have been at each others' throats for 1000 years now. I'm not going to imply that you're trying to leverage 9/11 here or anything, but you're wanting me to take sides in an ancient dispute in which neither side is even remotely innocent. That's not going to happen.

And I was hoping someone would guess, because the answer is easy. Stress. Living conditions suck, no economic opportunity or hope to dig themselves out, no leisure time, inadequate and/no access to proper nutrition and services. There are whole cities in America where the only thing their tax dollars give them is a paramilitary police occupation. While next door, across the redline, is an affluent community where the government does everything for them but mow their lawns (and probably that too sometimes). And you know what the proponents of this system (of which Hillary represents one side and McCain the other) dare to call it? Capitalism. As if, it's anything but.

edit: oh wait, did I dare cross the class envy line? :roll:

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Yllus, I don't care what he wrote in that magazine. Many Indian politicians write beautiful statements but in the end their true values don't match their words. With Obama, basically a lot of people are banking on an unknown because they are so sick of Bush.

It's not as much that you don't care, but that your mind was already made up that he's some kind of racist and no bringing forth of fact will change your mind.

The great irony of all this is you're the one who's made a blanket statement about 1.5 billion people.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

All of those situations were prompted by extremely offensive links or comments by Obama.

Look at the criticism of McCain and Clinton. Most of it can be traced to ageism or sexism. Lets be honest here, I've heard a lot of Obama fans say McCain is an old Alzheimer's patient and that Clinton is a feminist b****.

And no other then his dishonest campaigning and the Punjabi memo I don't have proof of his being anti-minority. But maybe thats because this guy came out of nowhere and hasn't even had a political position for a long period of time.

Yllus, I don't care what he wrote in that magazine. Many Indian politicians write beautiful statements but in the end their true values don't match their words. With Obama, basically a lot of people are banking on an unknown because they are so sick of Bush.

You're basing MSM favoritism off of Obama supporters that post anonymously online? You said that there wasn't any criticism of Obama, I proved otherwise. Now you've come up with the excuse that they only criticize him when it's extremely offensive. The other side can just counter that the media is making a mountain out of a molehill and purposely distorting what he says for shock value. Honestly, I have yet to see any major bias against McCain as the MSM barely even talks about him outside of his occasional blurbs about the war.

I don't know how you can make a wide sweeping conclusion that he's anti-minority when he was a community organizer in the south side of Chicago. The only people that live there are minorities. He also has a close relationship with the Asian community that I'm familiar with (along with the Clintons) and the only major criticism I've heard about him from Asians is his stipulation regarding the 80/20 questionnaire (which, as a first generation Asian American, I believe to be full of loaded bias). I can only conclude that from your comments that the only reason you think he's going to be biased is because you feel that him being a black man will ultimately lead him to only pander to black people. Why not apply the same logic to white people, or Asians, or Indians?

Lastly, people are not only banking on an unknown because their sick of Bush. Their banking on someone who they feel has integrity and isn't afraid to be honest with people. Political double talk is what has alienated so many people from politics to begin with and the idea that someone may actually say what he thinks almost feels novel, which is a testament to the state of politics.

 

[OrByte]

Obama also just got the endorsement of "The Boss."

cool...

 

[Coldkilla]

Ok.. tell me after watching this entire video you still think that little statement that Obama made (Which he said, It was a mistake, and he regrets the way he said it. Saying that statements like that are consequences of having to be recorded 24/7, and talking nearly 24/7. A statement he wishes to have taken back and did not mean to offend.)

If your going to vote for Hillary based on this statement, I advise you to look at what Hillary's done: http://youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U
-Lied
-Cheated
-'Misspoke'
-Misleading
-Secret
-Disloyal to her own word