Obama calls small town Americans bitter

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Obama is doomed.

This is just another small little mistake that will add up to his losing in the fall.

I think you're kidding yourself.

the more Americans that are exposed to the most brilliant politician since Lincoln, the more we're going to rally around Change and Hope.

:laugh:

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
gluten... if you own guns or go to church and live in a small town you are now 'bitter'

It does not mater what Obama meant to say, it is what he said that will count in the long run. When you have to go and explain things you have already said you are moving backwards. John Kerry can tell you how crippling that can be to your campaign.

Prof John has officially labelled small town America stupid and unsophisticated. :thumbsup:

This is why Republicans are going to lose in the fall.

 

[LegendKiller]

The difference between our candidates...


McCain: "It's all good here, much like my heavily armed walk through baghdad, I have no concept, but trust me, it's all good from my perspective"

Hillary: "Trust us, nothing is wrong, I will sugar coat everything and use my forked tongue to lull you into a sleep, meanwhile, I will give corporations all of the protection and you none, guaranteeing you servitude for life."

Obama: "Things aren't great, people need help and hope, I intend to give them that, but I am not going to sugar coat stuff all that much"

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
gluten... if you own guns or go to church and live in a small town you are now 'bitter'

It does not mater what Obama meant to say, it is what he said that will count in the long run. When you have to go and explain things you have already said you are moving backwards. John Kerry can tell you how crippling that can be to your campaign.

Well, actually I think he actually MEANT to say what he did, but since he's a liberal - he doesn't understand how condescending those comments are. You see the libs here saying - "well, it's true...etc" but ofcourse it's true to them - they see everything in through their liberal world view.

 

[Siddhartha]

Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

 

[mshan]

Obama's comments came at the end of a lengthy answer in which he rejected the notion that voters were passing him over simply for racial reasons, saying instead that his campaign of hope and change was having difficulty in "places where people feel most cynical about government."
"Everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class . . . don't want to vote for the black guy,' " Obama said at the fundraiser.
"Here's how it is: In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism."
Obama then voiced the lines that his opponents have seized upon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...le&sid=ST2008041200232

 

[cKGunslinger]

Hear that Vic?

You are a liberal elitist, and I might be one as well! :sun:

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

Apparently it is, to elitist conservatives who want everybody to afraid and mad at terrorists, not at the government. Remember, the government cannot do anything wrong, provided it trusts in God, hates gays, hates muslims, goes to war every year, and keeps us "safe".

Also remember that God will always give you a way out. For a government it's the best scape-goat diversion ever. "Hey, we may have fucked up, but God will fix it!"

This is how their ineptitude is washed over.

It's about time somebody said things suck and need to change.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

Apparently it is, to elitist conservatives who want everybody to afraid and mad at terrorists, not at the government. Remember, the government cannot do anything wrong, provided it trusts in God, hates gays, hates muslims, goes to war every year, and keeps us "safe".

Also remember that God will always give you a way out. For a government it's the best scape-goat diversion ever. "Hey, we may have fucked up, but God will fix it!"

This is how their ineptitude is washed over.

It's about time somebody said things suck and need to change.

wrong - I've never stated that - which you'd both have known if you actually read what I've posted.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
gluten... if you own guns or go to church and live in a small town you are now 'bitter'

It does not mater what Obama meant to say, it is what he said that will count in the long run. When you have to go and explain things you have already said you are moving backwards. John Kerry can tell you how crippling that can be to your campaign.

Well, actually I think he actually MEANT to say what he did, but since he's a liberal - he doesn't understand how condescending those comments are. You see the libs here saying - "well, it's true...etc" but ofcourse it's true to them - they see everything in through their liberal world view.

I am far from a "liberal" and i think his comments are spot on. I don't want sugar coated bullcrap, calling a spade a spade is not wrong, it's refreshingly truthful.

It's sad you need to hear that kind of crap to make yourself feel better in your "conservative" world.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: sportage
So so stupid!!!
The press and all the candidates catch every word,
every phrase, ever sigh and try so hard to turn it into
a massive issue.

Reminds me of being in elementary school...
Teacher, Johnny said I made a face at him...

Teacher, Betty took the last coloring book...

Teacher, Timmy wont let me hold one end of the jump rope.

Teacher..... :roll:

If that was true he would recant and regret those statements, instead of standing by what he says.

 

[yllus]

That was the singularly most pathetic attempt to take a person's words out of context I have ever read.

Originally posted by: Dari
How is what he said isn't true? Every four years you have these politicians promise them the moon then, once elected, they send them up the river. I'd be bitter too if that shit's been happening for decades. But, TBH, these folks have no one to blame if we look at their voting history. They vote against their interests all the time by voting for someone they like rather than a politician that's honest with them.

A politician being honest and it backfires.

Seriously.

Edit: Great lulz @ the conservatives on this forum saying things like, "It's over!" Don't you wish. Don't learn easy, either: Didn't a well-known Clinton supporter recently show what an incredible fool you can make yourself out to be with pronunciations like that?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
gluten... if you own guns or go to church and live in a small town you are now 'bitter'

It does not mater what Obama meant to say, it is what he said that will count in the long run. When you have to go and explain things you have already said you are moving backwards. John Kerry can tell you how crippling that can be to your campaign.

Well, actually I think he actually MEANT to say what he did, but since he's a liberal - he doesn't understand how condescending those comments are. You see the libs here saying - "well, it's true...etc" but ofcourse it's true to them - they see everything in through their liberal world view.

I am far from a "liberal" and i think his comments are spot on. I don't want sugar coated bullcrap, calling a spade a spade is not wrong, it's refreshingly truthful.

It's sad you need to hear that kind of crap to make yourself feel better in your "conservative" world.

His comments were fine right up to and including "bitter". Right after that is where he started the demagoguery and elitism.
PLUS, I did not say that you were a liberal, however many here defending/deflecting here are infact liberal -which was the point of my other comments. Sheesh. I swear some obama lappers are so blinded by their "hope" they have forgotten all substance...

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
gluten... if you own guns or go to church and live in a small town you are now 'bitter'

It does not mater what Obama meant to say, it is what he said that will count in the long run. When you have to go and explain things you have already said you are moving backwards. John Kerry can tell you how crippling that can be to your campaign.

Well, actually I think he actually MEANT to say what he did, but since he's a liberal - he doesn't understand how condescending those comments are. You see the libs here saying - "well, it's true...etc" but ofcourse it's true to them - they see everything in through their liberal world view.

I am far from a "liberal" and i think his comments are spot on. I don't want sugar coated bullcrap, calling a spade a spade is not wrong, it's refreshingly truthful.

It's sad you need to hear that kind of crap to make yourself feel better in your "conservative" world.

His comments were fine right up to and including "bitter". Right after that is where he started the demagoguery and elitism.
PLUS, I did not say that you were a liberal, however many here defending/deflecting here are infact liberal -which was the point of my other comments. Sheesh. I swear some obama lappers are so blinded by their "hope" they have forgotten all substance...

There wasn't any demagoguery or elitism. There's nothing wrong with people saying that people are mad and bitter over being ignored. It's the truth.

Who has substance?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

There wasn't any demagoguery or elitism. There's nothing wrong with people saying that people are mad and bitter over being ignored. It's the truth.

Who has substance?

sigh...

AGAIN, MY comments were not about "bitter". Please go back and read. sheesh.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Obama is doomed.

This is just another small little mistake that will add up to his losing in the fall.

That's fine, the country deserves it. It's want Americans want.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Meh, he can't help it. I mean how long can an elitist really hide his true colors behind a "hope" and "change" charade? He's lasted longer than most do...

You're right.

The humble leadership by the Republicans has been great for the U.S. and the world, we must continue on their glorious path.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

No.

But saying they cling to guns and religion because they are pissed off is bad.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

No.

But saying they cling to guns and religion because they are pissed off is bad.

Its true.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

No.

But saying they cling to guns and religion because they are pissed off is bad.

Its true.

Guns and religion existed before these people were born, let alone before something "pissed them off". You're placing the cart in front of the horse.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

No.

But saying they cling to guns and religion because they are pissed off is bad.

Its true.

Guns and religion existed before these people were born, let alone before something "pissed them off". You're placing the cart in front of the horse.

When people have no hope left, they go back to what they know best.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

No.

But saying they cling to guns and religion because they are pissed off is bad.

Its true.

Guns and religion existed before these people were born, let alone before something "pissed them off".

True, but the current bitterness due to the decades of shitty politics have turned them into meaningless wedge issues.

Or do you really think abortion and same-sex marriage are some of the most important issues facing this nation?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is saying that people who lost their jobs and are facing hard times are pissed off is bad?

No.

But saying they cling to guns and religion because they are pissed off is bad.

Yeah, it's as if he and other elitists think that those ideals don't/shouldn't count if they are bitter. Nevermind the xenophobic accusations....

I think people got so caught up in their nodding that they stopped processing after "bitter"...

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
True, but the current bitterness due to the decades of shitty politics have turned them into meaningless wedge issues.

Or do you really think abortion and same-sex marriage are some of the most important issues facing this nation?

How does this work into what Obama was saying? I would say both sides carry stupid and trivial issues before the important ones which I feel are rarely and always inefficiently addressed.

I sound bitter. Yet I don't have religion and I don't have guns.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
True, but the current bitterness due to the decades of shitty politics have turned them into meaningless wedge issues.

Or do you really think abortion and same-sex marriage are some of the most important issues facing this nation?

How does this work into what Obama was saying? I would say both sides carry stupid and trivial issues before the important ones which I feel are rarely and always inefficiently addressed.

I sound bitter. Yet I don't have religion and I don't have guns.

I do believe his point was that politics over the last years have left people with little to no faith in government, such that they truly think the only things that are up for grab are their guns, livelihoods, and beliefs.

The Repubs have convinced people that all Democrats want is to take their guns and outlaw Christianity, while the Dems have them convinced that Republicans want to take away their rights in the name of security and help the rich get richer.

National politics has become absurd, wedge-issue masturbation. I think Obama is trying to point this out. That no one talks about things that really matter, for fear of rubbing someone the wrong way.

Do I support Obama's policies? No, I disagree with about 75% of them - which is to be expected when looking at a liberal Democrat from a Libertarian's viewpoint. But I feel the same about Hillary's and McCain's, as well. So all this election is about for me is who is going to move in a direction that's *different* that the path we've been on. That's probably why I voted RP. And that'll be why I probably vote for Obama.

His message of change is a good choice, because that's all some people, like myself, can hope to expect. Sure, fiscal conservatism, reduction of government interference, responsible regulation of capitalism, expanded civil liberties at the top of my wish list, but - once again - there's not single viable candidate offering any of these things.