Obama calls small town Americans bitter

[RY62]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: RY62
Obama can kiss my lilly white, small town, gun totin', Bible thumpin' ass. :laugh:

Seriously, this guys pretty disconnected from rural America as I see it. I am small town and I've lived in small towns all across America. The way I see it, the things he's saying we cling to because we're bitter are just parts of who we are.

We're not bitter or frustrated. We know it's an election year and most of the doom and gloom is being fabricated by people who have a political agenda. We aren't looking for the government to take care of us. We're happy to take care of ourselves and help our neighbors when we can. We always cling to our religion, in good times or bad. We know we can always trust in God and no politician can live up to or come between that.

Our guns are important to us and always will be. It's a part of our heritage. With our guns, we know we can defend ourselves and provide food for ourselves when neccesary.

We don't have antipathy towards people who aren't like us. We're generally friendly and respectful towards all decent people but quick to condemn those that cause harm to others or disrespect our laws. We aren't anti-immigrant but we are anti- (illegal) immigrant. We'll welcome immigrants that want to legally integrate and become law abiding, tax paying, productive members of our society. (We would like it if they'd at least try to learn English)

No, we're not bitter. We know Obama is just another, full of shit, disconnected politician who'll say and do whatever he thinks he needs to get elected. In the end we'll still be here making the best of what each day brings and giving thanks to God in our optomistic, small town way.

Not a bad sentiment, but out of curiosity, for whom do you plan to vote?

I came into this election cycle as a right leaning Democrat, pissed off at the Republicans, mostly for the out of control spending. My intention was to vote for Clinton, mostly because I remember things (aside from Monica) as being good when Bill was there. As of now, I expect an Obama/McCain matchup and in that case, I expect to vote for McCain.

As I'm getting older, I find myself leaning more and more to the right. By the next cycle I'll probably be a left leaning Republican or maybe even Libertarian, who knows. LOL

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Brigandier

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Exactly what is it he's going to do for these people? Is he going to stop the influx of illegals and sent those here back?

Is he going to stop companies from outsourcing and/or moving their factories overseas to where the cheap labor is?

It's easy to talk change (especially when you have no record to speak of), but actually changing things is another matter. The only thing I heard was him talking about doing was taxing the richest 1%. Kind of reminded me of a Wright sermon, without the Goddamn America part.

But what do I know, I'm just a cynical, bitter, small town, white guy who's racist and hates illegals while I sit here polishing my gun in apathy while listening to Rush on the radio.

Seriously, we just have a bunch of idiot politicians making empty promises again. I thought the people in this country had woken up to that crap but if Obama is the best we can come up with, obviously I was wrong.

Obama at least speaks of the isues as they are and faces "controversies" with tact and intelligence, very admirable traitis for a presidential candidate. I think Obama's greatest strength will be getting America to actually debate national policy in a meaningful way.

Even though he doensn't present his policies? The guy talks about the issues but never seems to get to the heart of them - it's mainly platitudes. Oh, and he speaks of them as he sees them, not necessarily "as they are" since his world view is much different than mine and other people.

Unless you're voting for Clinton, I see no reason why you see that as a fault of Obama because McCane certainly doesn't either.

I know where McCain stands and he has a record that I can look up. Obamarama doesn't and has only offered platitudes. "discussion" is great but right now is the time people need to be making choices based on stances/issues - not supposed/promised dialog. We need to choose someone to represent us and we deserve to know where that person stands. Obamarama IMO has really only offered feel good platitudes.

I can see that you are using double standards and you really are full of shit. You give McCane a pass because you "know" where he stands but lambasts Obama for not presenting a plan you can look at. Admit it, you just don't like the guy so you'll give him a hard time. If you were being impartial (which you aren't) you would look at his senate record and infer where he stands just as you do McCain.

Stop lying to yourself and us. It does all a great disservice. We see right through to you.

No, he doesn't get a "pass". I disagree on a great many things and still have not decided whether I'm going to sit on my hands or vote for him - this is due to his positions. BHO's Senate record? Buahahaha... Yeah, he has such a long record to look at...
Sheesh, I swear some of you don't have a clue. No where did I suggest I was impartial but that doesn't mean I can't state the truth about BHO's campaign of platitudes. I thought people wanted an election about issues this time around.... I guess not...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

He explained his troubles winning over working class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

"Halp us jonh karry, ware stuk in Irak"

http://www.lorien1973.com/wp-c.../2008/04/smalltown.jpg :laugh:

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Brigandier

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I know where McCain stands and he has a record that I can look up. Obamarama doesn't and has only offered platitudes. "discussion" is great but right now is the time people need to be making choices based on stances/issues - not supposed/promised dialog. We need to choose someone to represent us and we deserve to know where that person stands. Obamarama IMO has really only offered feel good platitudes.

We don't need to vote by the same st andards. Your vote is your vote, it's not our vote.

Fine, vote for platitudes. I'll vote issues and ideals.

Voting for McCain? pfft... same old same old ...

 

[jpeyton]

I'm a college dropout and I can read the damned thing and figure it out.

This pretty much sums up how desperate Clinton and McCain are getting.

Obama, an elitist? :laugh: Anyone making that accusation is certifiably insane.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Brigandier

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I know where McCain stands and he has a record that I can look up. Obamarama doesn't and has only offered platitudes. "discussion" is great but right now is the time people need to be making choices based on stances/issues - not supposed/promised dialog. We need to choose someone to represent us and we deserve to know where that person stands. Obamarama IMO has really only offered feel good platitudes.

We don't need to vote by the same st andards. Your vote is your vote, it's not our vote.

Fine, vote for platitudes. I'll vote issues and ideals.

Voting for McCain? pfft... same old same old ...

Well, you obviously can't read....

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'm a college dropout and I can read the damned thing and figure it out.

This pretty much sums up how desperate Clinton and McCain are getting.

Obama, an elitist? :laugh: Anyone making that accusation is certifiably insane.

I'm quite surprized that you would have that point of view considering you have a link to his campain in your sig.

Really though, I think I agree with RY62 more, to each his own.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: OrByte
I dont get how what he says is controversial

is it because people think he is sterotyping?

I'm a conservative living in a fairly small town, I don't see the big deal.

While I don't understand the connection between having your factory relocate outside the USA and "clinging to guns", strikes me pretty standard liberal fare. I guess I've been hanging out here too much to notice anything unusual in his remarks?

Watching (and being bored by) all the yabbering about this by the talking heads last night, my thought was "Gee, they can't find squat on this dude. And the Repubs are gonna be in trouble". I can only assume that the MSM is trying to avoid the perception of favoratism so they gotta find something - anything to criticise him.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Buahahaha - Hillary's statements on this:

?It?s being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who face hard times are bitter,? Clinton said during a campaign event in Philadelphia. ?Well that?s not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania. I meet people who are resilient, optimist positive who are rolling up their sleeves.?

She's full of sh!t again, as usual. Everybody knows the polling shows fear about the economy and dissatisfaction with the direction of the country ect. I bet before the PA primary is over she contradicts herself at least once when pandering again. Hillary, are people optimistic about their health care? Or are they scared they'll die because they don't have a $100 topay the hospital? Are you really for NAFTA because they're so optimistic about their job security?

?Pennsylvanians don?t need a president who looks down on them,? she said. ?They need a president who stands up for them, who fights hard for your future, your jobs, your families.?

"Fight fight fight" Go Rocky Balboa, go. :roll:

Fern

 

[Modelworks]

I live in a small town.
About 2000 people.
When you talk to people about who they are voting for, a lot of them say that it doesn't matter.
I understand their reasoning.
And in one way Obama is right.
Small town America is bitter.
But they have a right to be.
Small towns are the ones that get passed over for funding of roads, schools, and everything else.
A town near me lost a factory that supplied 500 jobs.
That put three small towns out of jobs.

This town now is dying.
Younger people don't stay after high school. Its mostly older people that have lived here all their life.
The rest are the farmers, but even they are dying off, as the children aren't interested in farming.
So small towns are bitter, but they are bitter because nobody in Washington gives a damn about them.

 

[Dari]

People are cynical about government because the politicians come around asking for their votes then they forget about them once elected.

 

[Genx87]

I honestly dont have a problem with what he said. Yes it is condescending but I think there is a bit of truth behind it. Obviously my big problem is he seems to still think govt can change their problems. Which is laughably absurd.

This guy will continue to put his foot in the mouth until election day. The media coddling him this long may create a backlash as people realize he isnt the second coming of Christ, but instead a regular old mortal man who makes mistakes.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I honestly dont have a problem with what he said. Yes it is condescending but I think there is a bit of truth behind it. Obviously my big problem is he seems to still think govt can change their problems. Which is laughably absurd.

This guy will continue to put his foot in the mouth until election day. The media coddling him this long may create a backlash as people realize he isnt the second coming of Christ, but instead a regular old mortal man who makes mistakes.

He's a liberal, so you'll have to forgive him for thinking that the appropriate approach to problems is to try to solve them.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
I honestly dont have a problem with what he said. Yes it is condescending but I think there is a bit of truth behind it. Obviously my big problem is he seems to still think govt can change their problems. Which is laughably absurd.

This guy will continue to put his foot in the mouth until election day. The media coddling him this long may create a backlash as people realize he isnt the second coming of Christ, but instead a regular old mortal man who makes mistakes.

He's a liberal, so you'll have to forgive him for thinking that the appropriate approach to problems is to try to solve them.

:laugh:

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Brigandier

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Exactly what is it he's going to do for these people? Is he going to stop the influx of illegals and sent those here back?

Is he going to stop companies from outsourcing and/or moving their factories overseas to where the cheap labor is?

It's easy to talk change (especially when you have no record to speak of), but actually changing things is another matter. The only thing I heard was him talking about doing was taxing the richest 1%. Kind of reminded me of a Wright sermon, without the Goddamn America part.

But what do I know, I'm just a cynical, bitter, small town, white guy who's racist and hates illegals while I sit here polishing my gun in apathy while listening to Rush on the radio.

Seriously, we just have a bunch of idiot politicians making empty promises again. I thought the people in this country had woken up to that crap but if Obama is the best we can come up with, obviously I was wrong.

Obama at least speaks of the isues as they are and faces "controversies" with tact and intelligence, very admirable traitis for a presidential candidate. I think Obama's greatest strength will be getting America to actually debate national policy in a meaningful way.

Even though he doensn't present his policies? The guy talks about the issues but never seems to get to the heart of them - it's mainly platitudes. Oh, and he speaks of them as he sees them, not necessarily "as they are" since his world view is much different than mine and other people.

Unless you're voting for Clinton, I see no reason why you see that as a fault of Obama because McCane certainly doesn't either.

I know where McCain stands and he has a record that I can look up. Obamarama doesn't and has only offered platitudes. "discussion" is great but right now is the time people need to be making choices based on stances/issues - not supposed/promised dialog. We need to choose someone to represent us and we deserve to know where that person stands. Obamarama IMO has really only offered feel good platitudes.

I can see that you are using double standards and you really are full of shit. You give McCane a pass because you "know" where he stands but lambasts Obama for not presenting a plan you can look at. Admit it, you just don't like the guy so you'll give him a hard time. If you were being impartial (which you aren't) you would look at his senate record and infer where he stands just as you do McCain.

Stop lying to yourself and us. It does all a great disservice. We see right through to you.

No, he doesn't get a "pass". I disagree on a great many things and still have not decided whether I'm going to sit on my hands or vote for him - this is due to his positions. BHO's Senate record? Buahahaha... Yeah, he has such a long record to look at...
Sheesh, I swear some of you don't have a clue. No where did I suggest I was impartial but that doesn't mean I can't state the truth about BHO's campaign of platitudes. I thought people wanted an election about issues this time around.... I guess not...

OK, then go to his website and read up on his detailed views and plans. Nevermind, you just admitted that you are bias so no need to do that. Continue as usual.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, he doesn't get a "pass". I disagree on a great many things and still have not decided whether I'm going to sit on my hands or vote for him - this is due to his positions. BHO's Senate record? Buahahaha... Yeah, he has such a long record to look at...
Sheesh, I swear some of you don't have a clue. No where did I suggest I was impartial but that doesn't mean I can't state the truth about BHO's campaign of platitudes. I thought people wanted an election about issues this time around.... I guess not...

OK, then go to his website and read up on his detailed views and plans. Nevermind, you just admitted that you are bias so no need to do that. Continue as usual.

WTF does bias have to do with any of this? Are you trying to say that since I'm a Conservative and BHO is a liberal that I can't comment on what he does? PUHFUGGINLEEZE.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I live in a small town.
About 2000 people.
When you talk to people about who they are voting for, a lot of them say that it doesn't matter.
I understand their reasoning.
And in one way Obama is right.
Small town America is bitter.
But they have a right to be.
Small towns are the ones that get passed over for funding of roads, schools, and everything else.
A town near me lost a factory that supplied 500 jobs.
That put three small towns out of jobs.

This town now is dying.
Younger people don't stay after high school. Its mostly older people that have lived here all their life.
The rest are the farmers, but even they are dying off, as the children aren't interested in farming.
So small towns are bitter, but they are bitter because nobody in Washington gives a damn about them.

What would you have Washington to do? Should they force companies to bring jobs to your town or just support the people who choose to stay in a dying town?

Aside from bitterness, it sounds like your town has a problem with apathy. If the people think "it doesn't matter" or they don't care enough to join together and make things happen, the town will die. Towns have been born and died all through history, during periods of good and bad national economy. Sometimes, there just isn't a reason to keep a town alive.

At this point, you and the people of your town can make a choice. If you want the town to survive you must join together, elect competent, agressive local leadership. Come up with a plan and a direction you would like the town to move toward. Create possibilities and opportunities. Lure new business to the area or create your own. Study successful small towns in your area and see what makes them successful. The possibilities are endless if you are all willing to work for it. Washington will not make your problems go away. You can work to make your lives better or remain bitter and watch your town die.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: glutenberg
So the current economic state of small town USA is now a liberal point of view. It's amazing how little sense you make but whatever makes you feel good about getting the word liberal into your post.

Hey look, another person who didn't read what I wrote...

Please, multiple posters have broken down everything you've said. I'm sorry that it only takes a few sentences to refute your ridiculous statements.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, he doesn't get a "pass". I disagree on a great many things and still have not decided whether I'm going to sit on my hands or vote for him - this is due to his positions. BHO's Senate record? Buahahaha... Yeah, he has such a long record to look at...
Sheesh, I swear some of you don't have a clue. No where did I suggest I was impartial but that doesn't mean I can't state the truth about BHO's campaign of platitudes. I thought people wanted an election about issues this time around.... I guess not...

OK, then go to his website and read up on his detailed views and plans. Nevermind, you just admitted that you are bias so no need to do that. Continue as usual.

WTF does bias have to do with any of this? Are you trying to say that since I'm a Conservative and BHO is a liberal that I can't comment on what he does? PUHFUGGINLEEZE.

No, in fact I said the opposite. But since you're clearly bias (and you admit it), it'll be hard to take you too seriously.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: glutenberg
So the current economic state of small town USA is now a liberal point of view. It's amazing how little sense you make but whatever makes you feel good about getting the word liberal into your post.

Hey look, another person who didn't read what I wrote...

Please, multiple posters have broken down everything you've said. I'm sorry that it only takes a few sentences to refute your ridiculous statements.

It's quite obvious you didn't read what I posted. Try reading and then come on back.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, he doesn't get a "pass". I disagree on a great many things and still have not decided whether I'm going to sit on my hands or vote for him - this is due to his positions. BHO's Senate record? Buahahaha... Yeah, he has such a long record to look at...
Sheesh, I swear some of you don't have a clue. No where did I suggest I was impartial but that doesn't mean I can't state the truth about BHO's campaign of platitudes. I thought people wanted an election about issues this time around.... I guess not...

OK, then go to his website and read up on his detailed views and plans. Nevermind, you just admitted that you are bias so no need to do that. Continue as usual.

WTF does bias have to do with any of this? Are you trying to say that since I'm a Conservative and BHO is a liberal that I can't comment on what he does? PUHFUGGINLEEZE.

No, in fact I said the opposite. But since you're clearly bias (and you admit it), it'll be hard to take you too seriously.

Never said you did have to, but I will state my opinion. I take very little that is posted here seriously, especially that which comes from BHO lappers.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


No, he doesn't get a "pass". I disagree on a great many things and still have not decided whether I'm going to sit on my hands or vote for him - this is due to his positions. BHO's Senate record? Buahahaha... Yeah, he has such a long record to look at...
Sheesh, I swear some of you don't have a clue. No where did I suggest I was impartial but that doesn't mean I can't state the truth about BHO's campaign of platitudes. I thought people wanted an election about issues this time around.... I guess not...

Well, at least your honest that you're too intellectually lazy to bother looking these things up. A simple search through THOMAS shows that there are plenty of resolutions for you to make a judgment in regards to Obama's stances and views. Additionally, you can look at his background as a community organizer, stances in the Harvard Law Review, etc or you can stick it out with your method of being oblivious.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: glutenberg
So the current economic state of small town USA is now a liberal point of view. It's amazing how little sense you make but whatever makes you feel good about getting the word liberal into your post.

Hey look, another person who didn't read what I wrote...

Please, multiple posters have broken down everything you've said. I'm sorry that it only takes a few sentences to refute your ridiculous statements.

It's quite obvious you didn't read what I posted. Try reading and then come on back.

It's clear you have problem expressing your thoughts well as pointed out by basically every person who quotes you. Feel free to rethink what you're going to say and then let us know when you've figured it out in a clear and coherent manner.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: glutenberg
So the current economic state of small town USA is now a liberal point of view. It's amazing how little sense you make but whatever makes you feel good about getting the word liberal into your post.

Hey look, another person who didn't read what I wrote...

Please, multiple posters have broken down everything you've said. I'm sorry that it only takes a few sentences to refute your ridiculous statements.

It's quite obvious you didn't read what I posted. Try reading and then come on back.

It's clear you have problem expressing your thoughts well as pointed out by basically every person who quotes you. Feel free to rethink what you're going to say and then let us know when you've figured it out in a clear and coherent manner.

No, what I posted was just fine. Just because people ASSumed something due to their own defensive position does not mean I have a problem. Now please go back and read so you understand why your post was way off track.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: RY62
I came into this election cycle as a right leaning Democrat, pissed off at the Republicans, mostly for the out of control spending. My intention was to vote for Clinton, mostly because I remember things (aside from Monica) as being good when Bill was there. As of now, I expect an Obama/McCain matchup and in that case, I expect to vote for McCain.

As I'm getting older, I find myself leaning more and more to the right. By the next cycle I'll probably be a left leaning Republican or maybe even Libertarian, who knows. LOL

Wait a minute... You came into the election leaning (D) because you, like many, were pissed off at the (R's) and intended to vote Clinton but now lean to McCain? It's been pointed out over and over that Hillary and Barak are very similar on the issues. I support Obama but if Clinton somehow manages to get the nomination she'll get my vote in Nov. You support Clinton but if she loses why would you vote for the guy who is going to continue in Iraq and follow down Bush's path?