Obama calls small town Americans bitter

[Generator]

This Obama is teflon is he not???

Finally, FINALLY the people who were never voting Obama got some shit that might stick. But every day that goes by, just gives Obama another day to explain anything anyway. You cannot deny Obama!

Anyways I'm about one plant dying away from being a small town Obama talked about. Yeah people loves their guns, I don't know about the god stuff. Illegals sucks, but I don't live in California so what do I know. If you need a mexican to build your deck for slave wage good luck on your further endeavors of ever becoming a decent human being. What Obama said we can all agree is just to complicated for television. It should hurt him in votes, but the response from the people is just amazing. White America is blubbering and sobbing like a woman getting interviewed by Barbara Walters. Are you guys alright??? Obama struck a cord? Shit be bad huh?

With this kind of response I'm just going to have to assume that Obama...accidentally or not has connected with the people. I for one like truth with a dose of insult. Infact I would like to see more politicans just flat out insult people to get votes. Americans I bet use to have a little backbone back then. They could take a shot of hard truth and realize the truth coming through. Or maybe everyone was promised the moon this whole time again and again.

Oh well what can one do. Obama obviously cares enough to not lie to people. You guys get what you vote for.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Defending? I have NOT supported the expansion of the FED so try again. I am one of the many Conservatives who has been mad as hell about the spending and growth of gov't. Sheesh...

Which is why you've supported Bush and are supporting McCain now, right? Because you're mad as hell as what Bush has done and what McCain intends to continue doing?

You can be as mad as you want, but your walk isn't matching your talk, and your neverending denial of that is really starting to have negative repercussions for our country.

Why the hell do you think a libertarian like me is having to hitch my wagon to left-leaner like Obama? Because I agree with everything he says? Hell no! Because we simply can't afford 4 more years of your party's cronyism and corruption, and we need someone who can talk straight and get people motivated into righting the ship and cleaning up the mess you've made.

Whoa there tiger. Where have I professed my support of McCain? I've repeatedly stated I may just sit on my hands this fall. But hey, if your knee twitches....

Your strong involvement here doesn't look anything like sitting on your hands to me... or are you voting for Hillary?

Vic if I remember correctly you were always a strong proponent of libertarian thought. How is that you have suddenly turned to such an extremist candidate? I do not understand why you are suddenly so in favor of Obama.

He has badmouthed many minorities (Punjabi memo) and has not mentioned anything remotely realistic or attainable. Is it his charisma that appeals to you or his ideas? Because his ideas are certainly pro big government and subsidizing other continents.

I have argued with you before and maybe I will reveal myself at some point who knows.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Defending? I have NOT supported the expansion of the FED so try again. I am one of the many Conservatives who has been mad as hell about the spending and growth of gov't. Sheesh...

Which is why you've supported Bush and are supporting McCain now, right? Because you're mad as hell as what Bush has done and what McCain intends to continue doing?

You can be as mad as you want, but your walk isn't matching your talk, and your neverending denial of that is really starting to have negative repercussions for our country.

Why the hell do you think a libertarian like me is having to hitch my wagon to left-leaner like Obama? Because I agree with everything he says? Hell no! Because we simply can't afford 4 more years of your party's cronyism and corruption, and we need someone who can talk straight and get people motivated into righting the ship and cleaning up the mess you've made.

Whoa there tiger. Where have I professed my support of McCain? I've repeatedly stated I may just sit on my hands this fall. But hey, if your knee twitches....

Your strong involvement here doesn't look anything like sitting on your hands to me... or are you voting for Hillary?

Vic if I remember correctly you were always a strong proponent of libertarian thought. How is that you have suddenly turned to such an extremist candidate? I do not understand why you are suddenly so in favor of Obama.

He has badmouthed many minorities (Punjabi memo) and has not mentioned anything remotely realistic or attainable. Is it his charisma that appeals to you or his ideas? Because his ideas are certainly pro big government and subsidizing other continents.

I have argued with you before and maybe I will reveal myself at some point who knows.

Extremist?

Punjabi memo?? What the??

 

[jpeyton]

Just donated again yesterday to The Teflon Don's campaign.

Feels good.

 

[OrByte]

punjabi memo?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Vic if I remember correctly you were always a strong proponent of libertarian thought. How is that you have suddenly turned to such an extremist candidate? I do not understand why you are suddenly so in favor of Obama.

He has badmouthed many minorities (Punjabi memo) and has not mentioned anything remotely realistic or attainable. Is it his charisma that appeals to you or his ideas? Because his ideas are certainly pro big government and subsidizing other continents.

I have argued with you before and maybe I will reveal myself at some point who knows.

I'm a classical liberal libertarian, not a right-wing Ron Paul type libertarian. While I believe strongly in individual rights, I also believe that it is in the self-interest of every individual to work together in society. My usual arguments against socialist agendas are not that the goals are necessarily wrong, but that the ideologues spouting them in their zeal are callous to the rights of those individuals who would choose not to participate.
Obama addressed this issue for me a couple of months ago in a debate with Hillary in LA. He said that he would not mandate his health care plan (and actually used an argument that I would use, "how would we enforce it?"). Hillary OTOH then appealed to the ideologues by condemning Obama for his respect of individual rights and proclaiming that her plan would make sure that everyone would have health care, whether they liked it or not. And people cheered of course.

So he's not an extremist candidate, and that he took a college trip to Pakistan is not really a concern of mine.

And as I've said time and again here, my support for Obama is only because his 2 opponents are MUCH worse. I don't agree necessarily with his policies, but I do believe that he has the leadership that this country needs at this time.
And in contrast to McCain, I feel I should point out that huge military is hardly a free market/libertarian ideal. And that economic opportunity ("pursuit of happiness") is just as much an inherent individual right as any other. There are other ways for government to steal from people than just taxes.

And hey, let's be fair here, eh? I only have one account on Anandtech.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Vic if I remember correctly you were always a strong proponent of libertarian thought. How is that you have suddenly turned to such an extremist candidate? I do not understand why you are suddenly so in favor of Obama.

He has badmouthed many minorities (Punjabi memo) and has not mentioned anything remotely realistic or attainable. Is it his charisma that appeals to you or his ideas? Because his ideas are certainly pro big government and subsidizing other continents.

I have argued with you before and maybe I will reveal myself at some point who knows.

I'm a classical liberal libertarian, not a right-wing Ron Paul type libertarian. While I believe strongly in individual rights, I also believe that it is in the self-interest of every individual to work together in society. My usual arguments against socialist agendas are not that the goals are necessarily wrong, but that the ideologues spouting them in their zeal are callous to the rights of those individuals who would choose not to participate.
Obama addressed this issue for me a couple of months ago in a debate with Hillary in LA. He said that he would not mandate his health care plan (and actually used an argument that I would use, "how would we enforce it?"). Hillary OTOH then appealed to the ideologues by condemning Obama for his respect of individual rights and proclaiming that her plan would make sure that everyone would have health care, whether they liked it or not. And people cheered of course.

So he's not an extremist candidate, and that he took a college trip to Pakistan is not really a concern of mine.

And as I've said time and again here, my support for Obama is only because his 2 opponents are MUCH worse. I don't agree necessarily with his policies, but I do believe that he has the leadership that this country needs at this time.
And in contrast to McCain, I feel I should point out that huge military is hardly a free market/libertarian ideal. And that economic opportunity ("pursuit of happiness") is just as much an inherent individual right as any other. There are other ways for government to steal from people than just taxes.

And hey, let's be fair here, eh? I only have one account on Anandtech.

I have only one account as well. But I had another account several years ago.

I don't think you can use that one debate as proof that Clinton doesn't respect libertarian thought, as for McCain I don't know I don't think he advocates a huge military. I think he is advocating supporting fundamental democratic values but also working together with those who disagree. Lets be honest here Iran is never going to respect a western or democratic point of view, neither is China. We need to work with those realities.

I can assure you once Obama is elected he will increase government programs for African-Americans, not necessarily other minorities. I know that sounds controversial but I have seen politicians like this guy in other countries he is truly a separatist, racialist candidate.

Maybe in the future I will PM and tell you my previous account, I am sure you will be surprised

 

[OrByte]

"Lets be honest here Iran is never going to respect a western or democratic point of view, neither is China. We need to work with those realities."

I think the same was said for the USSR.

"I can assure you once Obama is elected he will increase government programs for African-Americans, not necessarily other minorities. I know that sounds controversial but I have seen politicians like this guy in other countries he is truly a separatist, racialist candidate. "

where on EARTH are you pulling that one from? that sounds kind of fringe to me? can you cite us an example where you think Obama and "politicians in other countries" are similar?

care to explain?

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: OrByte
"Lets be honest here Iran is never going to respect a western or democratic point of view, neither is China. We need to work with those realities."

I think the same was said for the USSR.

"I can assure you once Obama is elected he will increase government programs for African-Americans, not necessarily other minorities. I know that sounds controversial but I have seen politicians like this guy in other countries he is truly a separatist, racialist candidate. "

where on EARTH are you pulling that one from? that sounds kind of fringe to me? can you cite us an example where you think Obama and "politicians in other countries" are similar?

care to explain?

Punjabi memo

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004510.html

Lets not mention the fact the he campaigns in Asian and Hispanic communities right before a primary. He just wants votes, don't think of this man as the second coming. Many false prophets and gurus have brought ruin to nations.

Hillary has helped many minority communities a lot so did Bill Clinton, I won't forget that and I hope others do not as well.

I won't mention the people and ideas he has supported against whites because you are a majority in this country and feel some sort of guilt I guess.

Russia was a different case, the cold war with Russia was economic and not cultural. Muslims think this world is theirs for the taking.

 

[OrByte]

Thank you!

I've heard rumblings about this "Punjabi memo" but havent yet seen its contents...


I dont think I want to visit a website named "sepiamutiny" at work do I?

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: OrByte
Thank you!

I've heard rumblings about this "Punjabi memo" but havent yet seen its contents...


I dont think I want to visit a website named "sepiamutiny" at work do I?

The site is not extremist or anything. I am in no way an extremist.

Here is a blog detailing the issue: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/6/15/0634/74618

It is interesting that the Obama campaign has tried to silence this issue in order to gain Indian-American support. Two months ago there were many links to this story, now there are very few.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: OrByte
"Lets be honest here Iran is never going to respect a western or democratic point of view, neither is China. We need to work with those realities."

I think the same was said for the USSR.

"I can assure you once Obama is elected he will increase government programs for African-Americans, not necessarily other minorities. I know that sounds controversial but I have seen politicians like this guy in other countries he is truly a separatist, racialist candidate. "

where on EARTH are you pulling that one from? that sounds kind of fringe to me? can you cite us an example where you think Obama and "politicians in other countries" are similar?

care to explain?

Punjabi memo

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004510.html

Lets not mention the fact the he campaigns in Asian and Hispanic communities right before a primary. He just wants votes, don't think of this man as the second coming. Many false prophets and gurus have brought ruin to nations.

Hillary has helped many minority communities a lot so did Bill Clinton, I won't forget that and I hope others do not as well.

I won't mention the people and ideas he has supported against whites because you are a majority in this country and feel some sort of guilt I guess.

Russia was a different case, the cold war with Russia was economic and not cultural. Muslims think this world is theirs for the taking.

Do you have a link to the actual memo? The link provided on that blog you posted is dead. I looked through Google for it and you only get 1 or 2 posters / commentators at the end of articles commenting on it.

 

[Vic]

Russia was a different case, the cold war with Russia was economic and not cultural. Muslims think this world is theirs for the taking.

We're done here.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: OrByte
"Lets be honest here Iran is never going to respect a western or democratic point of view, neither is China. We need to work with those realities."

I think the same was said for the USSR.

"I can assure you once Obama is elected he will increase government programs for African-Americans, not necessarily other minorities. I know that sounds controversial but I have seen politicians like this guy in other countries he is truly a separatist, racialist candidate. "

where on EARTH are you pulling that one from? that sounds kind of fringe to me? can you cite us an example where you think Obama and "politicians in other countries" are similar?

care to explain?

Punjabi memo

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004510.html

Lets not mention the fact the he campaigns in Asian and Hispanic communities right before a primary. He just wants votes, don't think of this man as the second coming. Many false prophets and gurus have brought ruin to nations.

Hillary has helped many minority communities a lot so did Bill Clinton, I won't forget that and I hope others do not as well.

I won't mention the people and ideas he has supported against whites because you are a majority in this country and feel some sort of guilt I guess.

Russia was a different case, the cold war with Russia was economic and not cultural. Muslims think this world is theirs for the taking.

Do you have a link to the actual memo? The link provided on that blog you posted is dead. I looked through Google for it and you only get 1 or 2 posters / commentators at the end of articles commenting on it.

I used to have many links to the memo but unfortunately all of them are dead. I don't know why.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Vic

Russia was a different case, the cold war with Russia was economic and not cultural. Muslims think this world is theirs for the taking.

We're done here.

Vic I did not mean to offend anyone by that statement. I agree it was offensive. Thanks for calling me out on it.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: OrByte
Thank you!

I've heard rumblings about this "Punjabi memo" but havent yet seen its contents...


I dont think I want to visit a website named "sepiamutiny" at work do I?

The site is not extremist or anything. I am in no way an extremist.

Here is a blog detailing the issue: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/6/15/0634/74618

It is interesting that the Obama campaign has tried to silence this issue in order to gain Indian-American support. Two months ago there were many links to this story, now there are very few.

I don't see how you can go from many links about the story on the web to basically none in a short period of time. I'm going to doubt that Obama has that kind of power.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: OrByte
Thank you!

I've heard rumblings about this "Punjabi memo" but havent yet seen its contents...


I dont think I want to visit a website named "sepiamutiny" at work do I?

The site is not extremist or anything. I am in no way an extremist.

Here is a blog detailing the issue: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/6/15/0634/74618

It is interesting that the Obama campaign has tried to silence this issue in order to gain Indian-American support. Two months ago there were many links to this story, now there are very few.

I don't see how you can go from many links about the story on the web to basically none in a short period of time. I'm going to doubt that Obama has that kind of power.

Glutenberg, I looked through my links. Here is one that still works:

http://blogs.chicagotribune.co...njab_funny_d.html#more

Keep in mind this is the Chicago Tribune so many will support Obama in it.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Punjabi memo

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004510.html

Lets not mention the fact the he campaigns in Asian and Hispanic communities right before a primary. He just wants votes, don't think of this man as the second coming. Many false prophets and gurus have brought ruin to nations.

Hillary has helped many minority communities a lot so did Bill Clinton, I won't forget that and I hope others do not as well.

I won't mention the people and ideas he has supported against whites because you are a majority in this country and feel some sort of guilt I guess.

Russia was a different case, the cold war with Russia was economic and not cultural. Muslims think this world is theirs for the taking.

From what I gather, the Punjabi memo, if it was actually even sent out by the Obama campaign, is hitting on the Clinton's ties with India the nation not Indian-Americans. It fits alongside his viewpoint of jobs being lost in the US.

Regarding your bolded portion, I don't see how that's relevant one way or the other. It's an election, it's obvious that he's going to cater to differing groups. People get elected by garnering votes so I don't know what you're expecting him to do there. He already has a track record of helping impoverished people in this country, it's not exactly his fault that a good percentage of the impoverished are black. He's taken very similar positions, in regards to civil rights, as the Clintons. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding what you're trying to prove.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
I can assure you once Obama is elected he will increase government programs for African-Americans, not necessarily other minorities. I know that sounds controversial but I have seen politicians like this guy in other countries he is truly a separatist, racialist candidate.

What are you talking about? That's quite a leap to take based on an anonymous memo circulated at campaign time. Senator Obama even refuted its contents:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama referred to as "stupid" and "caustic" his campaign's memo last week that implied rival Hillary Clinton's investments in India made her fit to represent the south Asian country.

"It was a screw-up on the part of our research team," Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, said during a meeting today with Des Moines Register editors and reporters. "It wasn't anything I had seen or my senior staff had seen."

What separatist, racialist politicians exactly have you seen who are akin to Senator Obama?

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Andyb23
I can assure you once Obama is elected he will increase government programs for African-Americans, not necessarily other minorities. I know that sounds controversial but I have seen politicians like this guy in other countries he is truly a separatist, racialist candidate.

What are you talking about? That's quite a leap to take based on an anonymous memo circulated at campaign time. Senator Obama even refuted its contents:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama referred to as "stupid" and "caustic" his campaign's memo last week that implied rival Hillary Clinton's investments in India made her fit to represent the south Asian country.

"It was a screw-up on the part of our research team," Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, said during a meeting today with Des Moines Register editors and reporters. "It wasn't anything I had seen or my senior staff had seen."

What separatist, racialist politicians exactly have you seen who are akin to Senator Obama?

Of course he refuted it. Many Indians left his campaign because of that comment.

You don't find a problem with him attacking a population which is less then 0.5 percent of the American population? It doesn't seem like bullying to you?

Glutenberg, I don't understand how you are denying that the memo was actually sent out by Obama? It was, in fact a friend of mine in the Indian community received it, by mistake I guess.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Of course he refuted it. Many Indians left his campaign because of that comment.

You don't find a problem with him attacking a population which is less then 0.5 percent of the American population? It doesn't seem like bullying to you?

Glutenberg, I don't understand how you are denying that the memo was actually sent out by Obama? It was, in fact a friend of mine in the Indian community received it, by mistake I guess.

It seemed hard to believe considering how little documentation there was out there.

Also, I don't see how Obama's campaign has attacked Indian-Americans at all. If Obama said that he didn't support the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to China would Chinese-Americans be offended? First and foremost, it seems that it was a low level staffer that sent out the memo. Secondly, the title of the memo is a jab at Clinton's own statement that she could be the "Senator from Punjab." Lastly, even if you ignore all of that, he's hitting on outsourcing of American jobs. Whether you're in agreement or against free trade, it should be obvious that he's not criticizing Indians but the outsourcing of jobs to India. He takes a similar stance to China and as a Chinese-American, I have no qualms about it.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Andyb23
Of course he refuted it. Many Indians left his campaign because of that comment.

You don't find a problem with him attacking a population which is less then 0.5 percent of the American population? It doesn't seem like bullying to you?

Glutenberg, I don't understand how you are denying that the memo was actually sent out by Obama? It was, in fact a friend of mine in the Indian community received it, by mistake I guess.

It seemed hard to believe considering how little documentation there was out there.

Also, I don't see how Obama's campaign has attacked Indian-Americans at all. If Obama said that he didn't support the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to China would Chinese-Americans be offended? First and foremost, it seems that it was a low level staffer that sent out the memo. Secondly, the title of the memo is a jab at Clinton's own statement that she could be the "Senator from Punjab." Lastly, even if you ignore all of that, he's hitting on outsourcing of American jobs. Whether you're in agreement or against free trade, it should be obvious that he's not criticizing Indians but the outsourcing of jobs to India. He takes a similar stance to China and as a Chinese-American, I have no qualms about it.

As I've said before this memo was much more accessible earlier this year.

I personally think Obama has a lot of power, he has received no criticism in the press and has achieved a saint-like status. Which I feel is always dangerous.

To answer your question if that statement was turned around and it attacked Nigerian scammers or people donating to Arab causes it would be seen as racist. Indians and Asian-Americans as a whole are seen as soft targets for politicians. I thought Obama would change that.

Anyways guys I respect your opinions and please do not see my comments as a condemnation of Obama I just do not think of him as an 'honest' guy.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Vic
And as I've said time and again here, my support for Obama is only because his 2 opponents are MUCH worse. I don't agree necessarily with his policies, but I do believe that he has the leadership that this country needs at this time.

Is there anyone whom you truly support? The thing that make me so pessimistic and angry about American politics is this stupid "I'm voting for this guy because
other guys suck even more" mentality.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Andyb23
I can assure you once Obama is elected he will increase government programs for African-Americans, not necessarily other minorities. I know that sounds controversial but I have seen politicians like this guy in other countries he is truly a separatist, racialist candidate.

What are you talking about? That's quite a leap to take based on an anonymous memo circulated at campaign time. Senator Obama even refuted its contents:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama referred to as "stupid" and "caustic" his campaign's memo last week that implied rival Hillary Clinton's investments in India made her fit to represent the south Asian country.

"It was a screw-up on the part of our research team," Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, said during a meeting today with Des Moines Register editors and reporters. "It wasn't anything I had seen or my senior staff had seen."

What separatist, racialist politicians exactly have you seen who are akin to Senator Obama?

Of course he refuted it. Many Indians left his campaign because of that comment.

You don't find a problem with him attacking a population which is less then 0.5 percent of the American population? It doesn't seem like bullying to you?

Glutenberg, I don't understand how you are denying that the memo was actually sent out by Obama? It was, in fact a friend of mine in the Indian community received it, by mistake I guess.

Problems with your statements:

- What Indians left his campaign due to the statement? I haven't seen any names mentioned regarding this. Nor is this something I consider a very strong convincing factor, as I tend to make decisions on my own as opposed to what the herd thinks.

- Did he attack the population? He specifically notes that he nor his senior staff saw the memo prior to it being circulated. He also, in the words of a commenter on the site, offer "an uncompromising, serious response apologizing for the nasty insinuations and implications of the original note. It's not of the usual 'I am sorry that you are offended' ilk."

- Irregardless of Senator Obama's hand in writing it, was the memo even bullying? I certainly don't agree with the bent of the memo, but pointing out that a rival candidate is heavily invested in foreign interests isn't necessarily racist or bullying towards that ethnicity.

Again, using that exact same site, the guy visited Pakistan in 1981 and spent "about three weeks" in Karachi with the family of a college friend. He went to India on the same trip. He had a Pakistani roommate in NYC. An Indian friend from college who's now a VP at Pepsico has donated the maximum $2,300 to his campaign. He's written op-ed piece in India Abroad entitled, "I will be a President who draws upon the energy and expertise of the Indian-American community". Could you possibly be more off the mark?

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
As I've said before this memo was much more accessible earlier this year.

I personally think Obama has a lot of power, he has received no criticism in the press and has achieved a saint-like status. Which I feel is always dangerous.

To answer your question if that statement was turned around and it attacked Nigerian scammers or people donating to Arab causes it would be seen as racist. Indians and Asian-Americans as a whole are seen as soft targets for politicians. I thought Obama would change that.

Anyways guys I respect your opinions and please do not see my comments as a condemnation of Obama I just do not think of him as an 'honest' guy.

No criticism from the press? Reverend Wright? Rezko? Bitter small town Americans? Pakistan? There's been plenty of criticism of Obama.

You can't even compare outsourcing of jobs to Nigerian scams or donations to other countries. These are extremely unlike situations and even if he did criticize Nigerian scams, I would highly doubt it would be thought as racist. Do you think people will think of him as a racist for a known scam performed by Nigerians?

Indians and Asian-Americans may be soft targets but I have yet to see a comment from Obama that actually puts Indian and Asian-Americans in a poor light. Like I said, the memo is not an attack on Indians but an attack on corporate interests in foreign countries, in this specific case, India, to the detriment of Americans (which, the last time I checked, includes Indian and Asian-Americans). I'm just trying to see if you have solid proof that Obama is somehow dishonest towards minorities.