Obama changes "you can keep it" slogan, makes it seem like we misunderstood him

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senseamp

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I wonder have you yet been able to admit he lied? Are you capable of such a come to Jesus moment?

What he said was not a tautology. I would not have said it. That said, it was true for most Americans. You are going to have your come to Jesus moment when you realize Obamacare is not going anywhere.
 

EagleKeeper

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You can be emo about it if you want to. Meanwhile, the health care reform is here to stay.

What health care reform?

All that has happened is a shell game with insurance, new costs are being paid by the taxpayer
 

senseamp

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For him, it would be a come to Obama moment, so no.

It's fine, you can do all the personal attacks you want. We don't know each other, I don't care what you think of me as a person.
I care about policy, and health care reform is going to continue.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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I care about policy, and health care reform is going to continue.

This policy has harmed a great many people.

There will be a blood cry to replace Obamacare, and it may not be addressed for at least 8 long years of pain.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Just wait until the youth realize they were not only lied to about Obamacare but stuck with paying for it as well. It could turn them off to the point they don't vote which could result in losses by the Democratic party come 2014.
 

senseamp

Lifer
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This policy has harmed a great many people.

There will be a blood cry to replace Obamacare, and it may not be addressed for at least 8 long years of pain.

It is going to help far more people. There are ten of thousands who die unnecessarily every year due to lack of health coverage. You can continue to ignore them, but Obama won't, and he has the veto pen.
You can cry all you want.
 

compuwiz1

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It's fine, you can do all the personal attacks you want. We don't know each other, I don't care what you think of me as a person.
I care about policy, and health care reform is going to continue.

You, sir, and those who think like this have lost. Future elections will reveal how true this is.
 

senseamp

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Just wait until the youth realize they were not only lied to about Obamacare but stuck with paying for it as well. It could turn them off to the point they don't vote which could result in losses by the Democratic party come 2014.

And...? Obama is president till 2016. Come 2016, Obamacare will be status quo, and repealing it will mean throwing tens of millions off insurance. So yes, GOP can use Obamacare to score some cheap political points in 2014, but they can't repeal it.
 

Londo_Jowo

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And...? Obama is president till 2016. Come 2016, Obamacare will be status quo, and repealing it will mean throwing tens of millions off insurance. So yes, GOP can use Obamacare to score some cheap political points in 2014, but they can't repeal it.

Who said anything about repealing Obamacare? If the Republicans are smart they will leave it alone and allow it to destroy the Democrats who forced it upon Americans.

Wouldn't it be fun to watch the final two years be lame duck years?
 

compuwiz1

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And...? Obama is president till 2016. Come 2016, Obamacare will be status quo, and repealing it will mean throwing tens of millions off insurance. So yes, GOP can use Obamacare to score some cheap political points in 2014, but they can't repeal it.

Unjust and unfair laws can be repealed and the time to start working on it is now, rather than later. Give Americans a vote and it's gone......promise. The majority should not be overruled by the minority. The only ones who want it are mostly those who are getting it free or at little cost. Most of them don't repesent anything particularly productive, when it comes to building the economy.
 

senseamp

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Who said anything about repealing Obamacare? If the Republicans are smart they will leave it alone and allow it to destroy the Democrats who forced it upon Americans.

Wouldn't it be fun to watch the final two years be lame duck years?

Doesn't matter to me. Obama could get nothing done from the day he passed the health care reform till 2016, and I would be happy. Everything else pales in comparison. Do I care about the Democrats? Only to the extent they get things I care about implemented.
 

senseamp

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Unjust and unfair laws can be repealed and the time to start working on it is now, rather than later. Give Americans a vote and it's gone......promise. The majority should not be overruled by the minority. The only ones who want it are mostly those who are getting it free or at little cost. Most of them don't repesent anything particularly productive, when it comes to building the economy.

You have 25% for a full repeal. So don't get your hopes up.

"When it comes to your opinion about the health care law, do you feel that it is working well the way it is, needs minor modifications to improve it, needs a major overhaul, or should be totally eliminated?"

Working
well Needs minor
modifications Needs major
overhaul Should be
eliminated Other (vol.)/
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10/25-28/13
6 38 28 24 5

http://pollingreport.com/health.htm
 

BUnit1701

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A free market can't work for health care because hospitals are legally required to treat people regardless of their health care status. ER visits drive up costs and the people without health care don't pay, so those costs get covered in other ways, ie, through markups and insurance subscribers. Then you have the high-risk people, the people with pre-existing conditions that require expensive treatment; these are a liability to an insurance company's bottom line, so in a free market system, they can't get health care and they end up getting what treatment they can and skipping out on the bills; again, a cost increase realized by the rest of us. The only true "free market" solution to health care involves letting people without health care die, and no one who isn't completely insane wants that.

When "profits" are at odds with "providing care," which way does a company lean? Which way does society want them to? That disconnect is why free market health care is impossible.

Once again people refuse to differentiate between health care and health insurance. Noone is without 'health care' by choice, if you want it, go to the doctor and pay. Many may be without health insurance for various reasons, but that does not mean they cannot get health care. Mandating everyone buy health insurance does nothing to help lower the costs of health care. It just spreads the insanely high costs around.
 

monovillage

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You can be emo about it if you want to. Meanwhile, the health care reform is here to stay.

That's not what I was commenting about, my comment was about your lack of honesty and integrity....................... just like your hero.
 

TreVader

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You did misunderstand him. Because you're dumb as hell.


Next time, try not being so dumb and it will all make sense to you.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I wonder what the Administration will say once middle class families who don't qualify for subsidies see a reduction in disposable income due to higher insurance premiums and the economy takes a hit.

Sounds like there's an upcoming war on the American family that may make women voters take note of who's causing them to do without.
 

Attic

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You did misunderstand him. Because you're dumb as hell.


Next time, try not being so dumb and it will all make sense to you.


This makes the most sense and is an easy thing to accept if you simply remember that Obama is never wrong. All Obama asks for your salvation is to admit he is never wrong, then everything is paradise.
 

Jaskalas

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It is going to help far more people. There are ten of thousands who die unnecessarily every year due to lack of health coverage. You can continue to ignore them, but Obama won't, and he has the veto pen.
You can cry all you want.

"Help far more people".

129 million may lose their current policy. How many workers were cut and / or forced into part time? There is an amount of pain and suffering out there caused by Obamacare that I don't think you even begin to grasp.

The price goes up, the quality goes down, and the jobs become part time. People know who did that to them.
 

TreVader

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I wonder what the Administration will say once middle class families who don't qualify for subsidies see a reduction in disposable income due to higher insurance premiums and the economy takes a hit.

Sounds like there's an upcoming war on the American family that may make women voters take note of who's causing them to do without.


I know what they'll say: They'll say shut the hell up because guess what insurance premiums will go down once everyone who should be enrolled is enrolled and then they won't be necessary.


Maybe you should actually start thinking up some solutions instead of bitching about everything Obama and the democrats come up with. It's great that you're angry but at the moment the republican parties platform might as well be called "NOT WITE MEOW!!!". You have ZERO ideas to fix the problems associated raising insurance premiums or anything else.

The GOP has been reduced to basically legislative trolling. They have no ideas, but as long they can't get anything done nobody else should either.
 

Doppel

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What he said was not a tautology. I would not have said it. That said, it was true for most Americans. You are going to have your come to Jesus moment when you realize Obamacare is not going anywhere.
Thank you, that is what I expected. Not what I wanted, but what I expected. Everything about your response, from the continued denial to the attempted barb was predictable. I think you are probably one of only about two people on the entire forums who don't think he lied. It's rare to see such near unanimity as in this matter.
 
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