Obama goes from most Pro-israel President to most anti-Israel President

[OlafSicky]

This gave me chills Obama got schooled big time I had no idea he was such a bad public speaker uhm ahmm. Netanyahu looked like an intelligent head of state and Obama looked more like his retarded half cousin.
I had no idea a law professor could be such a terrible speaker just wow... uhmm ahh.. Obama looked like he was going to through up.

 

[brandonb]

Israel, meanwhile, announced the approval Thursday of new projects to build 1,500 housing units in Har Homa and Pisgat Zeev, which are outside the 1967 borders. Roye Lackmanovich, an Interior Ministry spokesman, said the projects had previously received initial approval.

Israeli officials said before Friday's meeting that Netanyahu intended to use the occasion not only to stress his opposition to a restoration of the 1967 lines, but also to seek specifics on the type of security guarantees envisioned by the president, including the assertion that a Palestinian state would remain nonmilitarized.

Netanyahu also wanted Obama to clarify his stance on both Hamas and the so-called "right of return" for Palestinian families who left Israel after the state's founding in 1948. Israel has repeatedly warned that it cannot allow those families to return without sacrificing its identity as a Jewish state.

Netanyahu made clear after Friday's meeting that the families of the 1948 refugees cannot settle within Israel's borders.

So in other words, "God gave this land to me!!!!" No wonder why we have this conflict.

 

[mrjminer]

Awesome. Just what we needed was for some shithead politician that can't do the job domestically to lead us into another shitstorm nobody here supports of gives a fuck about.

 

[Shallok]

My dad is jewish and my brother is full blown hacidic (truth, just don't talk about it much, why would I?). I know full well how real jews view Obama and his actions.

Eitherway it's apparent you're a racist anti-semite.

ADL:

We welcome President Obama's compelling speech on the priorities for American policy in the Middle East. We applaud his strong outlining of the principles which motivate that policy...We support the President's vision of a negotiated Israeli-Palestinian settlement with strong security provisions for Israel, and a non-militarized Palestinian state.

So, ADL, real jews, or are they fake jews? Also, how is one a fake jew?

As has been stated several times, Obama said absolutely nothing new in regards to US policy. Also, you are a very sad individual.

 

[Oyeve]

"Jews, play stupid games, Jews, that's why they're lame"

-Eric Cartman

 

[Patranus]

I think its funny that the "progressives" want to rewrite history in terms of what happened in 1967.

Hate to break it to them but Israel was *attacked*. It was not the aggressor. The territories it now occupies are the spoils of war. Maybe the religion of peace will think twice before attacking them again.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I think its funny that the "progressives" want to rewrite history in terms of what happened in 1967.

Hate to break it to them but Israel was *attacked*. It was not the aggressor. The territories it now occupies are the spoils of war. Maybe the religion of peace will think twice before attacking them again.

LOL! So according to your "spoils of war" theory Japan should be a US possesion as well as half of continental Europe and those brown countries we have occupied recently. And Oh I forgot we won the Spanish American war so all of Mexico are belonging to us also

 

[airdata]

I know we all love double standards and what have you. You have to compromise somewhere on the issue or nothing will ever be settled.

Should they move back to 1967 borders... who knows. But I know that would be better for israel than moving to pre ww2 borders, eh?

Obama is not all of a sudden anti-israel though, that's absurd. I'm sure if I bothered to waste time reading the 5 pages of the thread, there's probably multiple "anti-semite" comments strewn all over the place with no reason.

 

[Karl Agathon]

I think its funny that the "progressives" want to rewrite history in terms of what happened in 1967.

Hate to break it to them but Israel was *attacked*. It was not the aggressor. The territories it now occupies are the spoils of war. Maybe the religion of peace will think twice before attacking them again.

Being that a great deal of "progressives" hate Jews and Israel, im not suprised at anything they say. The same way im not suprised at some of the things far right wingers say.

 

[Harvey]

I know we all love double standards and what have you. You have to compromise somewhere on the issue or nothing will ever be settled.

Should they move back to 1967 borders... who knows. But I know that would be better for israel than moving to pre ww2 borders, eh?

Obama is not all of a sudden anti-israel though, that's absurd. I'm sure if I bothered to waste time reading the 5 pages of the thread, there's probably multiple "anti-semite" comments strewn all over the place with no reason.

QFT! Returning to the 1967 borders, with land exchanges for practical implimentation and enforcement, with mutual pledges of respect for the other's right to exist, was the policy of George Bush, Sr. and Bill Clinton's administrations, as well.

It's time for Israel to return to being the grownup in the room.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

QFT! Returning to the 1967 borders, with land exchanges for practical implimentation and enforcement, with mutual pledges of respect for the other's right to exist, was the policy of George Bush, Sr. and Bill Clinton's administrations, as well.

It's time for Israel to return to being the grownup in the room.

The original 1967 borders leaving Israel 9 miles wide and vulnerable to attack isn't something Israel is going to accept. If a land swap deal works, then great. If it doesn't provide reasonable security then it won't happen. Israel needs to stop expansion and Hamas must agree that Israel has the right to exist without threat.

It's easy to say that one needs to make peace with your neighbor, but if he states that killing your children is an option they reserve for theirs, then the adult thing is to never agree. Israel needs to give, but Hamas needs to publicly state that Israel has a right to exist and act accordingly.

If these two things do not happen then there will never be peace.

 

[mcmilljb]

Obama is not anti-Israel. Even Bush pursued the same objective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXtrkHWtlt0

http://www.cfr.org/israel/president-bushs-speech-annapolis-november-2007/p14882

The real danger to Israel is Netanyahu. The Israeli people have rejected him before, and they should reject him now. Are Israeli people so cold as to say Palestinians deserve no sovereignty or self-dignity? The borders do not have to exact, but they can manage land swaps as they please. Netanyahu's refusal to compromise has sacrificed security of his own people. If the Israeli people want peace, they should make the sacrifices now to get it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Obama is not anti-Israel. Even Bush pursued the same objective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXtrkHWtlt0

http://www.cfr.org/israel/president-bushs-speech-annapolis-november-2007/p14882

The real danger to Israel is Netanyahu. The Israeli people have rejected him before, and they should reject him now. Are Israeli people so cold as to say Palestinians deserve no sovereignty or self-dignity? The borders do not have to exact, but they can manage land swaps as they please. Netanyahu's refusal to compromise has sacrificed security of his own people. If the Israeli people want peace, they should make the sacrifices now to get it.

Assuming Israel were to stop expansion and agree to negotiate borders in good faith. Does Israel have the right to expect explicit assurances that they have a fundamental right to exist in the region without fear of attack from Hamas or any agents thereof?

 

[mcmilljb]

The original 1967 borders leaving Israel 9 miles wide and vulnerable to attack isn't something Israel is going to accept. If a land swap deal works, then great. If it doesn't provide reasonable security then it won't happen. Israel needs to stop expansion and Hamas must agree that Israel has the right to exist without threat.

It's easy to say that one needs to make peace with your neighbor, but if he states that killing your children is an option they reserve for theirs, then the adult thing is to never agree. Israel needs to give, but Hamas needs to publicly state that Israel has a right to exist and act accordingly.

If these two things do not happen then there will never be peace.

I saw your ninja edit. But you're still wrong. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/borders.html

 

[Nemesis 1]

What were you expecting . This was always the plan . Good thing he only holds power for 3 1/2 years. OH wait he not anti-christ

 

[mcmilljb]

Assuming Israel were to stop expansion and agree to negotiate borders in good faith. Does Israel have the right to expect explicit assurances that they have a fundamental right to exist in the region without fear of attack from Hamas or any agents thereof?

Both should have the right exist safely. If you start one step in the right direction, you make your argument that the other side is holding up the peace process. You don't think a lot of Palestinians want an end to the fighting between Israel and Hamas? The average Palestinian loses a lot on this conflict. It's quite sad for them, but they need to do their part to stop these people from attacking Israel as well.

 

[DrewSG3]

If Hamas came out tomorrow and said "OK. We will acknowledge Israels right to safe existence", it would go a longer way and put the ball firmly in Israel's court.

But Israel is the one with the land and military power, they don't need to give in to shit, especially when they have us by the balls.

 

[CLite]

It's hilarious to see Spidey, the resident idiot, foaming at the mouth. This policy has been pursued by the USA for the last 2 decades. It is nothing new except to those who lack any intelligence or ability to retain information/history.

 

[Harvey]

The original 1967 borders leaving Israel 9 miles wide and vulnerable to attack isn't something Israel is going to accept. If a land swap deal works, then great. If it doesn't provide reasonable security then it won't happen. Israel needs to stop expansion and Hamas must agree that Israel has the right to exist without threat.

It's easy to say that one needs to make peace with your neighbor, but if he states that killing your children is an option they reserve for theirs, then the adult thing is to never agree. Israel needs to give, but Hamas needs to publicly state that Israel has a right to exist and act accordingly.

If these two things do not happen then there will never be peace.

I agree, and that's what I said. Update -- I just saw the video clip of Bush-lite saying the same thing as his old man and Clinton.

Agree or disagree with Obama's position if you wish, but at least, defend that position with facts. The OP's statement that "Obama goes from most Pro-israel President to most anti-Israel President Reply" is still a hair raising crock of sh8, as are the predictable attacks from the right wingnuts.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Both should have the right exist safely. If you start one step in the right direction, you make your argument that the other side is holding up the peace process. You don't think a lot of Palestinians want an end to the fighting between Israel and Hamas? The average Palestinian loses a lot on this conflict. It's quite sad for them, but they need to do their part to stop these people from attacking Israel as well.

I think most Israelis and Palestinians are sick of the whole thing and want to live without fear. The problem aren't the many but the few, and that would leaders in the respective nations. There are many forces competing for different purposes in each and that leave both in a miserable situation of appeasing one group to support the other but that means a lack of commitment from yet another. I have no idea to fix this problem. I can say what won't work, but a solution? I'm not wise enough.

 

[senseamp]

The policy of the US is two states along 1967 borders. Bibi can like it or not, that's his problem.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I agree, and that's what I said. Update -- I just saw the video clip of Bush-lite saying the same thing as his old man and Clinton.

Agree or disagree if you wish, but the OP's statement that "Obama goes from most Pro-israel President to most anti-Israel President Reply" is still a hair raising crock of sh8, as are the predictable attacks from the right wingnuts.

I kind of ignored the premise and went to the meat of the matter which isn't us at all, but the relationship between Israel and Palestine which is incredibly fubared. I pretty much dismiss the Republicans out of hand for most things anyway. They aren't in control and haven't put forward leaders or ideas for some time.

Perhaps it's time for us to stop trying to broker peace. The UN certainly isn't the group to do it with countries like Iran waiting to throw a wrench with things. I doubt they would be interested, but a group of nations with no ideological dog in the fight might help mediate, countries like Japan for example. Probably a useless suggestion, but again I don't have a lot of great ideas.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The policy of the US is two states along 1967 borders. Bibi can like it or not, that's his problem.

That's nice. Useless, but nice.

 

[spidey07]

The policy of the US is two states along 1967 borders. Bibi can like it or not, that's his problem.

And as such Obama has sided with the terrorists once again. It's disgusting.

Bibi should have said - "Mr. President, if Canada's policy was to destroy you would you give them the north east States putting them in range to missle strike DC?"

C'mon Obama, tell us how what you really believe. You let a little bit out in your speech. Because that's what you're asking Israel to do. He is siding with Palestinian terrorist and is a disgrace to this country.

 

[Harvey]

And as such Obama has sided with the terrorists once again. It's disgusting.

No. What's disgusting is your lame ass assertion that Obama's statement is anything other than the path to peace that has been supported by Democratic and Republican Presidents for decades.

In fact, The ONLY realistic path to peace, and it has to include practical, enforceable borders defining viable living space and mutual, verifiable security for both Israel and the Palestinian state. That's the same path a large number of Israelis have supported and continue to support.

The Palestinians haven't done themselves any favors by allowing continued attacks on Israel and their recent venture into a "unity" government including Hamas, and getting Hamas to accept Israel's right to exist in peace is definitely part of the problem, but wild ass frothing at the mouth statements like yours aren't much better.