Obama Has Brought Us to ‘Constitutional Tipping Point’

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monovillage

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pretty much how i view it.

The executive power has been accelerating and getting stronger with each president. It does worry me what is next?

Anyone who thinks it started with Obama is a hack. each president has had it and each has stretched it to the limit.

Anyone that doesn't oppose this President expanding it far beyond what has existed previously is also a fucking hack.
 

sandorski

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Anyone that doesn't oppose this President expanding it far beyond what has existed previously is also a fucking hack.

Anyone who ignores the blatant and record setting Obstructionism by the Republican Party is a hack. Obama has attempted to work with the Republicans, they have refused to do the same.
 

MagickMan

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It's all moot anyways. Regardless of these potential consequences, the current system is not impervious to failure.

An Obama dictatorship would definitely represent failure.

Anyone who ignores the blatant and record setting Obstructionism by the Republican Party is a hack. Obama has attempted to work with the Republicans, they have refused to do the same.

"Record setting"? Bullshit.
 

Atreus21

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This is true. While some conservatives are motivated by an irrational hatred of race, most are simply driven by an irrational hatred of the opposing political 'tribe'. This isn't limited to conservatives, but much of the Obama hate specifically comes from that.

There's some pretty interesting/depressing research on this subject.

C'mon. You guys threw the same hatred at Bush.

You guys pull for your team and against ours, and we do the reverse.
 

Jhhnn

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"Record setting"? Bullshit.

That's willful ignorance & denial.

Google "Republican Obstructionism". Wikipedia uses current Repub tactics to define the term, "Obstructionism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstructionism

Perhaps the most distressing part of all of this is just how well indoctrinated Righties can ignore factual information. If I covered the page with charts, links, & graphs, they'd have zero influence on your opinion. That's because you already believe to the contrary, independent of any facts whatsoever, and you probably always will.
 

VRAMdemon

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Let's do a comparison. Here's The Ten Most Abusive Obama Executive Actions

1. Amending Obamacare’s employer mandate, providing an unauthorized subsidy to congressional staff, and encouraging state insurance commissioners not to enforce certain requirements.
2 Inventing labor law “exemptions” in violation of the WARN Act so that workers would not receive notice of impending layoffs days before the 2012 election.
3. Waiving the mandatory work requirement under the 1996 comprehensive welfare reform law, which required able-bodied adults to work, prepare for work, or look for work in order to receive benefits under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program.
4. Ignoring a statutory deadline and refusing to consider an application related to nuclear waste storage at Yucca Mountain, which activists sought to block for years.
5. Circumventing the Senate’s duty to provide advice and consent on appointments and instead making “recess” appointments in violation of Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution when the Senate was actually in session.
6. Deciding not to defend the constitutionality of the federal definition of marriage in court.
7. Implementing Common Core national standards through strings-attached waivers from the No Child Left Behind Act.
8. Intimidating Florida to stop its voter roll cleanup, which included removing ineligible voters such as noncitizens, before the 2012 election.
9. Imposing the DREAM Act by executive fiat under the guise of “prosecutorial discretion.”
10. Refusing to enforce federal drug laws in states that have legalized marijuana.

Let's see the top ten from Bush. Looking forward to your answer.

LOL...your looking forward to my answer, oooo aren't I special, lol...My answer : blow me, you must think I have time, or give a shit to google a bunch of Bush's executive order's so I can argue with a wingnut on a message board..lol. Nice list for dictator Obama ya got there..lol. Dictator Bush II issued over 200 executive orders if I recall. Look them up yourself. While your at it, compile us a list of dictator Clinton, dictator Bush I, dictator Regan and all the other dictators who have issued executive orders before them. edumacate us,please lol. Hard to realize how we became the most powerful country on earth and the best place to live with all these dictators dictating or dictatoring while running the country over the last century..lol
 

Jhhnn

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C'mon. You guys threw the same hatred at Bush.

You guys pull for your team and against ours, and we do the reverse.

Apparently, you've picked your team with the same sort of considerations used in being a Broncos fan. When it turns out that they're bums, they're still your team.

Rah! Rah! Rah!

Repubs currently use the rationale that if they can't run the country, then they'll be damned if they'll let anybody else do it, either.
 

JEDIYoda

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C'mon. You guys threw the same hatred at Bush.

You guys pull for your team and against ours, and we do the reverse.

The only difference being the Dems have never came out and said that we will obstruct the POTUS at every turn. No the Dems did not throw the same kind of hatred and blatant disregard for the common person as the Republican have.
 

boomerang

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LOL...your looking forward to my answer, oooo aren't I special, lol...My answer : blow me, you must think I have time, or give a shit to google a bunch of Bush's executive order's so I can argue with a wingnut on a message board..lol. Nice list for dictator Obama ya got there..lol. Dictator Bush II issued over 200 executive orders if I recall. Look them up yourself. While your at it, compile us a list of dictator Clinton, dictator Bush I, dictator Regan and all the other dictators who have issued executive orders before them. edumacate us,please lol. Hard to realize how we became the most powerful country on earth and the best place to live with all these dictators dictating or dictatoring while running the country over the last century..lol
You mad bro?
 

Matt1970

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Anyone who ignores the blatant and record setting Obstructionism by the Republican Party is a hack. Obama has attempted to work with the Republicans, they have refused to do the same.

And yet you refuse to see the same crap going on from the left like Harry Reid ignoring the 171 bills the House sent to Senate.
 

ivwshane

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And yet you refuse to see the same crap going on from the left like Harry Reid ignoring the 171 bills the House sent to Senate.

What does the senate have to do with the house republicans working with Obama? Or in your mind do you think the republicans set about obstructing Obama, from day one, only because they knew the senate dems weren't going to vote on "their" bills in the future.

This isn't a, which came first? The chicken or the egg? Debate, we know what came first and we know what's continued since day one. When dems tried working with the republicans early on (remember the few republicans that actually worked with dems on healthcare reform, the republicans did an about face and not one showed up to vote yes. How many times does that need to happen before the dems should give up trying to work across the isle?

Hell! Even republicans who propose something that's not strictly following established party mantra (but whose goals are the same) can't even get support (see the recently proposed tax over haul plan).

But keep your head in the sand Matt, I wouldn't want your ears getting cold
 

FerrelGeek

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Anyone who ignores the blatant and record setting Obstructionism by the Republican Party is a hack. Obama has attempted to work with the Republicans, they have refused to do the same.

Working with Obama means doing what he wants. That's not leadership.

So, let's move forward 3 years. If there's a a rep in the oval office and the dems are being obstructionistic, will you be ok if the rep prez uses his phone and pen to get the job done? Already know the answer to that one. You'll be in a head-spinning pantie-wetting, frothing rage.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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Working with Obama means doing what he wants. That's not leadership.

So, let's move forward 3 years. If there's a a rep in the oval office and the dems are being obstructionistic, will you be ok if the rep prez uses his phone and pen to get the job done? Already know the answer to that one. You'll be in a head-spinning pantie-wetting, frothing rage.

That will depend on the issues. If the Dems simply decide to Obstruct for Political Grandstanding purposes, they will deserve being called on it.
 

Matt1970

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What does the senate have to do with the house republicans working with Obama? Or in your mind do you think the republicans set about obstructing Obama, from day one, only because they knew the senate dems weren't going to vote on "their" bills in the future.

This isn't a, which came first? The chicken or the egg? Debate, we know what came first and we know what's continued since day one. When dems tried working with the republicans early on (remember the few republicans that actually worked with dems on healthcare reform, the republicans did an about face and not one showed up to vote yes. How many times does that need to happen before the dems should give up trying to work across the isle?

Hell! Even republicans who propose something that's not strictly following established party mantra (but whose goals are the same) can't even get support (see the recently proposed tax over haul plan).



But keep your head in the sand Matt, I wouldn't want your ears getting cold

Yep, just ignore the Senate all together. Good job hack. Also, if Republicans were actually invited in when the ACA was first written, there wouldn't be 1/2 the problems with the so called "obstructing" Republicans. Bu I guess when you have the majority the Dems did early on in the Obama administration, I guess you don't even need to consider the other side of the isle.
 

marincounty

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Working with Obama means doing what he wants. That's not leadership.

So, let's move forward 3 years. If there's a a rep in the oval office and the dems are being obstructionistic, will you be ok if the rep prez uses his phone and pen to get the job done? Already know the answer to that one. You'll be in a head-spinning pantie-wetting, frothing rage.

I know what you mean..."you're either with us, or you're against us", oh wait, that was Bush.
 

VRAMdemon

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You mad bro?

Am I mad?!?! nah man, I lol'ed (laughing at you) through my entire post. If you don't want our next president to use any executive orders, I suggest you vote for the guy who promises not to issue any, and..hey, I think your in luck...I hear bigfoot is running in 2016...lol
 

werepossum

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A black, Kenyan, Muslim, communist, is in the White House!
Ah, the proggie deck. Fifty-two race cards and a couple of jokers, just in case you need to play the race card.

Let's do a comparison. Here's The Ten Most Abusive Obama Executive Actions

1. Amending Obamacare’s employer mandate, providing an unauthorized subsidy to congressional staff, and encouraging state insurance commissioners not to enforce certain requirements.
2 Inventing labor law “exemptions” in violation of the WARN Act so that workers would not receive notice of impending layoffs days before the 2012 election.
3. Waiving the mandatory work requirement under the 1996 comprehensive welfare reform law, which required able-bodied adults to work, prepare for work, or look for work in order to receive benefits under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program.
4. Ignoring a statutory deadline and refusing to consider an application related to nuclear waste storage at Yucca Mountain, which activists sought to block for years.
5. Circumventing the Senate’s duty to provide advice and consent on appointments and instead making “recess” appointments in violation of Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution when the Senate was actually in session.
6. Deciding not to defend the constitutionality of the federal definition of marriage in court.
7. Implementing Common Core national standards through strings-attached waivers from the No Child Left Behind Act.
8. Intimidating Florida to stop its voter roll cleanup, which included removing ineligible voters such as noncitizens, before the 2012 election.
9. Imposing the DREAM Act by executive fiat under the guise of “prosecutorial discretion.”
10. Refusing to enforce federal drug laws in states that have legalized marijuana.

Let's see the top ten from Bush. Looking forward to your answer.
I don't think some of those are reasonable. For #1, I'm sure some of that is political, but the implementation of Obamacare has been so atrocious that the federal government literally could not bring every company into compliance. The back end simply isn't done yet. For #5, the Pubbies were in session in name only specifically to prevent Obama from making recess appointments, so while this was technically illegal and Obama was rightly slapped down for it, the GOP isn't playing fair here either. For #6, I do not think an administration should defend a law it considers unconstitutional, but rather should ask SCOTUS for an expedited Constitutional review. And for #8, while I am very much in favor of cleaning up the voter rolls, Florida has done a fairly poor job of it, including removing a good number of people who were in fact eligible voters.

I'm up in the air about #10 as well. I don't think a war of weed does anyone any good, nor do I have a problem with states legalizing it even though I have zero interest in it. And while I'd prefer to see federal law changed, I really don't want to see a war between states and feds over the subject until the political climate changes to the point that a majority of Congresscritters can support legalization.

As for Bush's transgressions, they were mostly in signing statements effectively changing the law, not in Executive Orders changing the law. I suspect both last only so long as like-minded Presidents are in office.
 

ivwshane

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Yep, just ignore the Senate all together. Good job hack. Also, if Republicans were actually invited in when the ACA was first written, there wouldn't be 1/2 the problems with the so called "obstructing" Republicans. Bu I guess when you have the majority the Dems did early on in the Obama administration, I guess you don't even need to consider the other side of the isle.

It's almost like you are purposely trolling anytime you talk about the ACA, you just never say a single factual thing about it!

2/2010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/07/AR2010020703003.html

5/2009
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/05/05/38403/bipartisanship-health-care-gop

9/2009
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/02/health.care.compromise/

And you can see some if the republicans ideas that made it into the bill:

http://m.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas


Of course I expect none of this will matter to you and you will simply dismiss it like you do with all other facts.
 

Matt1970

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It's almost like you are purposely trolling anytime you talk about the ACA, you just never say a single factual thing about it!

2/2010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/07/AR2010020703003.html

5/2009
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/05/05/38403/bipartisanship-health-care-gop

9/2009
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/02/health.care.compromise/

And you can see some if the republicans ideas that made it into the bill:

http://m.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas


Of course I expect none of this will matter to you and you will simply dismiss it like you do with all other facts.

So wait, on 5/2009 Obama offered "some concessions" on Obamacare? LOL, ya that's really reaching across the isle. His big concession? "Obama said he was willing to curb malpractice awards" LOL, your failure is unprecedented.
 

ivwshane

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So wait, on 5/2009 Obama offered "some concessions" on Obamacare? LOL, ya that's really reaching across the isle. His big concession? "Obama said he was willing to curb malpractice awards" LOL, your failure is unprecedented.

Oh and what did the republicans offer before that or after that? How many voted for the health care bill?

Lol indeed, as I have provided you with examples of Obama reaching across the isle while you have provided "not good enough" as an example of Obamas failure to reach across the isle!

Your idea of reaching across the isle is Obama giving them, not just exactly what they wanted but everything they wanted and anything less than that equals Obama not reaching across the isle.

I hope one day you will realize just how big of a hack you are and just how brain washed you had become before finally waking up and realizing all the lies that have been told to you and that you have repeated without once doing your own fact checking!

Lol! Indeed, you are the joke, the punch line to be exact
 
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Matt1970

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Oh and what did the republicans offer before that or after that? How many voted for the health care bill?

Lol indeed, as I have provided you with examples of Obama reaching across the isle while you have provided "not good enough" as an example of Obamas failure to reach across the isle!

Your idea of reaching across the isle is Obama giving them, not just exactly what they wanted but everything they wanted and anything less than that equals Obama not reaching across the isle.

I hope one day you will realize just how big of a hack you are and just how brain washed you had become before finally waking up and realizing all the lies that have been told to you and that you have repeated without once doing your own fact checking!

Lol! Indeed, you are the joke, the punch line to be exact

You have proven once again to be a good Obama minion. You shall now advance to the next level and unlock many more flavors of Kool Aid.
 

FerrelGeek

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Yep, just ignore the Senate all together. Good job hack. Also, if Republicans were actually invited in when the ACA was first written, there wouldn't be 1/2 the problems with the so called "obstructing" Republicans. Bu I guess when you have the majority the Dems did early on in the Obama administration, I guess you don't even need to consider the other side of the isle.

Remember their mantra, 'we won!' When Bush won, he was chided, 'remember, you're the president of the whole country, not just your base.' Obama has run the country like a community organizer, i.e., a small-minded bully. He has no gravitas, no practical life experience, no ability to admit he's wrong. I've had plenty of leadership training over the course of my career. Obama pretty much goes in the opposite direction of everything good leaders are taught to do.
 

boomerang

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http://americanthinker.com/blog/201...obamacare_delay_to_help_dems_in_midterms.html

Report: Obama plans new Obamacare delay to help Dems in midterms

Thomas Lifson

Although there is no official announcement yet, Elise Viebeck of The Hill is reporting that:
As early as this week, according to two sources, the White House will announce a new directive allowing insurers to continue offering health plans that do not meet ObamaCare’s minimum coverage requirements.

Prolonging the “keep your plan” fix will avoid another wave of health policy cancellations otherwise expected this fall.

The cancellations would have created a firestorm for Democratic candidates in the last, crucial weeks before Election Day.

America is descending into banana republic status, where El Supremo suspends laws with which he disagrees, or which might create political difficulties for his party. Let others deal with the consequences:

One company executive complained that the White House’s tendency to shift deadlines makes it hard to price health policies accurately.

“These continual delays, these stops and starts, make it very difficult because we set rates based on predictive modeling,” the executive said.

“When you change the rules, it has a detrimental impact on your ability to calculate your risk pool and your prices.”

When the 2016 presidential debates take place, one question to be posed to both the GOP and Democratic candidates would be: “Does the next president have the right to unilaterally
suspend any or all portions of Obamacare the same way President Obama has?”

Hat tip: Ed Lasky
 

Jhhnn

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Yeh, citing a raving opinion piece from the Stinker merely confirms the depth of right wing indoctrination & fear. Lifson is the same nutcase who goes on about Obama "bowing" to Saudi royalty, but he makes a nice living from the Stinker's advertising revenues, hucksterizing the gullible.

That would be you.
 
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