I would like to engage in a rational discourse Genx87, a person's tax burdens severely effect his/her ability to pay for the basic necessities of life and any federal tax code has to be cognoscente of their other obligations. We can't tax people into starving because it's "fair" to make them contribute at a federal level. Btw, Payroll taxes are federal, I realize they are to pay for program that benefit the person, but let's say the person dies at the age of 65, all the money he has paid does him no good.
Anyways, the top level bracket tax burden (percentage-wise) has fallen precipitously as opposed to the middle class. I am fully aware that the elimination of loopholes counter-balance this fall in top tax rate. However, the reason their share has grown so quickly is not because of freedom-hating democrats with a love affair of taxes, but rather because income disparity has exploded. I'm quite sure if someone applied inflation to past tax bracket definitions and you compare them to current day the lower and middle class have seen no real relief from taxes. Instead you have the top-end of the country swimming in wealth and yes they are paying more than people but that's a symptom of their wealth and not any burdensome tax code.
IMHO, if "sally open her legs" and "Johnny sit around his moms basement" pays their 17%, and I pay my 17% who can complain when we both provide the same percentage of our wealth equally? Isn't that equal and fair?
IMHO, if "sally open her legs" and "Johnny sit around his moms basement" pays their 17%, and I pay my 17% who can complain when we both provide the same percentage of our wealth equally? Isn't that equal and fair?
Sure, then lets also make all payments the same percentage of money. Housepayment is 40 percent, gas is 1 percent per gallon, food is 30 percent. That way everyone is paying the same percentage right?
IMHO, if "sally open her legs" and "Johnny sit around his moms basement" pays their 17%, and I pay my 17% who can complain when we both provide the same percentage of our wealth equally? Isn't that equal and fair?
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As a result, the increase of 70 cents on the effective date of July 24, 2009 was the third and final of the three increases authorized under the new law. The current minimum wage of $7.25 per hour will remain in effect until new legislation changes it.
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State, property, and sales tax imo have nothign to do with our federal income tax situation.
A flat tax is the best solution for all of it. You pay your 17, I pay mine and there is no further discussion.
The Fair Tax is a better solution. A consumption based tax. The more disposable income you spend, the more taxes you pay. You decide how much you pay in taxes based on how much you spend.
Fair tax would ream seniors who live off their savings and all the do is consume.
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If any of us were deeply in debt and in fear of bankruptcy, would we cut our expenses AND demand a decrease in pay?
Fair tax would ream seniors who live off their savings and all the do is consume.
It's a good point, a fair tax system implemented from the start of a nation would be fine. However, seniors have paid income taxes their whole lives and now are suddenly supposed to pay a fair tax system. It's essentially applying the worst version of tax for each of the time periods of their life (while earning paying income, while non-earning paying consumption).
A huge flaw that would need to be addressed if such a tax was to be promoted. It's funny in that it's essentially the opposite of social security, we would be reaming seniors and over-taxing them as compared to S.S. which was an unfunded boom for seniors (at the time of implementation).
I can't imagine how our system would react to a massive tax over-haul, I think slow steps would be the best way. Eliminate all the stupid loopholes, tax 401k's, get rid of property tax deductions (promoting savings/real-state through tax legislation is fail and actually benefits upper-middle/upper class more than middle/lower classes). Step the rates down a little bit to balance the elimination of loops-holes and once the system is relatively clean start pondering larger changes.
In general our politicians dating back to Reagan have been merrily spending us into oblivion. Whether it's expansions in federal government or handing out unpaid tax cuts we are now in a shitty position exacerbated by a recession. I personally have a dim view of everyone in politics and think they are all disgusting creatures buying votes via tax breaks, spending increases, selective regulation & deregulation. They are all beholden to special interests of one kind or another, and both parties are more or less equally guilty.
For me life will go on, and my taxes may increase and my share may increase but I consider myself far more blessed than someone earning 40,000 barely holding on and not paying federal tax. I just can't comprehend how people actually hold bitter feelings to such a class of people and think of them as free-loaders. To each his own I suppose.
LMAO Now I see where you are coming from...are you a paid shill from the RNC?
The Fair Tax includes a monthly stipend from the government equal to the amount you would pay on food, clothing, etc. That is why it is called The Fair Tax and not The Flat Tax or The Federal Sales Tax.
Dude, you really suck as a human. You tout yourself above all, then can't even discuss something without an attack. You really are a disgusting person.
I have nothing to hide. I vote the person not the party. If any other non attacking person cares to know. I voted for Regan, Regan, Perot, Clinton, Bush and Baldwin. I look at the CHARACTER of the person, and not their talking points or their party. I am an American first, unlike Asum, conservative second.
Whats your story? How old are you really? Please share with us your infinite wisdom. I'll bet you vote pure liberal down the line without thinking for yourself.
So when they say "Fair Share" they don't really mean it.
When they say "Equality for all" they don't really mean that one either?
I really suck as a human?? LMAO If you voted on character as you claim then you shouldn't have voted for 90% of those people you claim to have voted for. What you don't understand is I don't give a flying fuck if you like my position or not. I realize you don't agree with me so you don't have to keep beating a dead horse to try to explain your position...Like I said....I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT YOU THINK.
I hope I clearly illustrated my position to you now go back to the RNC HQ and pick up your check.
Have a nice day.