Got the best damn car washes when I lived in SoCal. Those guys worked their butts off. Good luck with the snot nosed teenagers or young adults of non hispanic origin getting anywhere near as good of a clean.
I think there has been PLENTY of opportunity to do so, and I was surprised not to see ANY action.
For example:
- demonstrations of early 2000s would've been a good time to round up school buses/collect people and head for the border :biggrin:
- go to every restaurant, farm or "contractor" in the country
- go to the "area of the city where people go to hire illegals"
Better yet, go thru the records and sort thru illegals (info is ALL there)
But the REAL truth is, we need illegals and MANY of them are WAY better people and WAY more hard working people than your "average American". Let's face it.
Got the best damn car washes when I lived in SoCal. Those guys worked their butts off. Good luck with the snot nosed teenagers or young adults of non hispanic origin getting anywhere near as good of a clean.
Their kids have been Americanized and have absolutely NO IDEA of the REAL world struggles.
Not many Americans do (yes, even the VERY poor ones).
When the Republican-led Congress successfully passes meaningful, comprehensive immigration reform that fairly and effectively deals with long-term illegals, their American-citizen children, and border security, I'm sure Obama will be happy to sign the measure and revoke both of his executive orders.
But of course conservatives would much rather make angry speeches and break things than actually govern.
how does a law BECOME a law when it's not enforcable?
But the REAL truth is, we need illegals and MANY of them are WAY better people and WAY more hard working people than your "average American". Let's face it.
So the question that would close this up is,
Has Obama signed more or less EOs then Bush at the same time during his term?
If the answer is less then Obama has lived up to the 2008 speech.
American citizen children. Now there's something that needs to be changed. Automatic citizenship for being born here.
It must have sucked to have been the first President. You couldn't use "But look what the guy before me did"
Poor poor CBDives.... When you create an altered reality bubble of extremity, and fill it with millions of people, you get quite a loud noise when it bursts. The President is no different that those who came before him in his exercise of power here. All that's different is that a bunch of emotionally immature Republicans are discovering that their rage and anger and threats are for naught. You can almost smell the emotional traumas they had when their Mommies said no.
I haven't read through this thread, but I've been concerned about what Obama articulated in his speech before he took office, or even was known to be running. I'm not sure how Bush justifies Obama or vice versa. That one continues a "tradition" such as this doesn't recommend it much, but then I never was one who cared much who did what was right or wrong, but that it was done at all. Republicans do indeed now reject what they embraced before, but not because of whether it is good or ill, but because someone else holds the Ring. Likewise the Democrats, or many of them. Unfortunately there's more alike about them in this regard than is different, but not many can withstand the attraction of power. It is a great failing.
When all else fails, go for false equivalency. It's a central tenet of Conservatism, apparently.
Well too bad you are conservative then, isn't it? That noise is people laughing at you.
Now come back with some witty response showing your complete lack of understanding. Thanks for playing.
I have no problem with the plan. I'd like to see it executed and watch the results. If the results are poor, adjust or repeal the action. However, currently as it stands, it's the best proposed immigration solution to this date for all parties involved, and makes significantly more sense than the previous and currently maintained solution of building higher and better policed walls on our borders.
Going for the full retard personal attack routine so soon? Oh, my. Butthurt already, and it's only your second post in this thread.
Obama clearly finds himself under extreme pressure- Immigration is a mess, & Congressional Repubs are raving for action while they do their best to prevent it. So he gives them what they want, action. Come January, they're free to send him a bill laying out exactly what they want & how they intend to pay for it. They'll need to compromise with Senatorial Dems, however, to do it.
Oh, wait... compromise is treason for the Party of No, so they'll propose nothing that has a chance of altering the status quo, because the status quo is exactly what they want.
It'll be Reid's fault, or Obama's fault or anybody's but their own, obviously. Havin' it both ways- posturing to the base, keeping their financial backers happy at the same time. Doesn't get any better than that in the Right-wing-o-sphere.
It's remarkable how that happens. I'm a first gen immigrant (legal) and I've jumped through a fair share of hoops through my time here. I've been forced to excel, live way within my means, constantly update my skills, and grab and push for opportunity when it arises.
I know a friend of my ethnicity, who is second generation, and the contrast is so huge. He's younger than me, and his problems are so "first world" and downright tame in comparison. Even little things - I remember not buying (and still don't) buy shoes over $50 or so... and he casually plopped down $150 on some footwear purely based on looks. Simple stuff like that.
That being said, my parents probably thought the same of *my* problems, so it's a generational thing, in a way.
So is it important we have immigrants or important that they be illegal?
Repubs obviously believe the latter- what about you?
When things change, or when lawmakers suffer illusions in the original formulation.